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theanointedwinner

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I love illustrations

sometimes I wonder: in five years from now, what will the thread "not by works" be like?

will it be as consistent as what we always see right now or will there be a difference like ... it's somehow become nicer or will it become worse?

if it will become nicer it's possible to doubt that

if it will become worse it's also possible to doubt that

if it will only be the same it's also possible to doubt that

each of these claims will require burden of proof

but if we believe any one of the three claims then we most likely believed based on the past experience of this thread, and place our faith on what we know from the past experience of this thread

similarly the Bible is a record of humanity's past experience and we have similar faith on the Bible as well
 
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FollowHisSteps said:
What for me is interesting is meeting believers who talk about being in rebellion against the
Lord and love, and have no idea how this is the opposite of our hearts desire, and turns all our
spiritual encounters with Christ as to be nothing.
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Encouraging insight, I have faith that there's much potential in that paragraph

Thanks for taking the time to read my testimony, much appreciated

with appreciation,
anointed
 
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Gotta love how SALVATION LOSERS cannot biblical argue with the following in context so they just hover around the edge giving negative remarks HAHAHAHHA

Salvation LOSERS theme song...

Amazing grace is not really great
It does not save a wretch like me
I must help JESUS because he is weak
AND will always toss me away

The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....

Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us

Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us

Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us

Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do

Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God

Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them

Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD

Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept

Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept

Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil

Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep

Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved

Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again

Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved

ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!

The Gifts and Calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
SALVATION is a gift of GRACE
SALVATION is IRREVOCABLE!
 
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R.I.P. ashes to ashes, dust to dust, let's pay our respects in loving memories toward the salvation that we might have lost, as our salvation is now resting in our coffin, let us mourn before the burial. Place flowers upon it, "I will always cherish the memory that you were with me, while it last"

This feels a bit wrong, but let's apply it out of context to back this up,

Job 17:13-15
the only home I hope for is the grave,
if I spread out my bed in the realm of darkness,
14 if I say to corruption, ‘You are my father,’
and to the worm, ‘My mother’ or ‘My sister,’
15 where then is my hope—
who can see any hope for me?

In all seriousness,

Romans 3:13-18 New International Version (NIV)
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”[a]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[b]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[c]
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[d]
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[e]
 
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I recently have this idea in mind: I can have my testimony of salvation engraved on my tombstone

Now that will be witnessing
 
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If God ask, "why should I let you in?"

Probably my realistic response: I know I'm not worthy to be let in. Please don't cast me out ... let me cling to Jesus, let me cling to the Lord
 
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dcontroversal said:
Or.....maybe the end is near and you will see JESUS rip the heavens open to reveal his presence.....
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The end is near, given atheist logic, I'm surprised that morality and judicial laws are not considered logical fallacies, given their logic
 
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UnderGrace said:
Your words
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To clarify things, below is your post saying that "one needs to be very careful "STATING THAT GRACE IS A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY".

If this is true, can you honestly prove to me that my statement "thus changing the grace of our God into a license for IMMORALITY" means or is the same as "GRACE IS A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY" which you have implied of me as stating?

UnderGrace said:
One needs to be very careful stating that Grace is a license for immorality

corazondeldei said:
Wow! Am I hearing(reading) this from someone who claims to be saved and are always saved fella? If your FAITH is without works of obedience to God then your FAITH is dead, no life, useless and unproductive or unfruitful thus changing the grace of our God into a license for immorality. Do you not claim that it is God who works in you to will and to do of His good pleasure? Why separate FAITH from works of LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS commands? Do you take away the "LIFE part in the gospel which is to walk as Jesus did, the good works that God prepared in advance for us(those in the body of Christ) to do and to WALK on?

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

God bless.
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NIV1984 Jude 1:3-4
The Sin and Doom of Godless Men Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
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corazondeldei said:
To clarify things, below is your post saying that "one needs to be very careful "STATING THAT GRACE IS A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY".

If this is true, can you honestly prove to me that my statement "thus changing the grace of our God into a license for IMMORALITY" means or is the same as "GRACE IS A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY" which you have implied of me as stating?
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I see no difference in meaning or intent of the statement....you can elaborate if you wish.

"changing" .........with or without that specific word does not negate that grace was connected in your statement to license for immorality.
 
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Cor, I noticed ... in short, why are you picking on undergrace? it feels disturbing, unless if you want to clarify something
 
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theanointedwinner said:
Cor, I noticed ... in short, why are you picking on undergrace? it feels disturbing, unless if you want to clarify something
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No worries, got my big pants on...ran out and bought me some the other day at Walmart (yes we have those in Canada too, I got me a size 52 :D) when I started questioning pre-mill doctrine.
 
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No worries, got my big pants on...ran out and bought me some the other day at Walmart (yes we have those in Canada too, I got me a size 52 :D) when I started questioning pre-mill doctrine.
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Time to lift weights and bear each other's burdens:p

Oh no, I have thoughts of how cuddly you are.
 
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