Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[TLC209]

no one is baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion. no one. it is a separate event as the Bible clearly indicates and as people in this forum have patiently dealt with in illustrations from both scripture and personal witness and testimony. what do you think scripture is exactly? or did you miss where it is written that these things are written so that you might believe...and following a summary of events EXPERIENCED by those who wrote the words?

right. perhaps a deep breath is indicated here for you? didn't really think so


persons such as yourself, over a matter of years...years especially in your case...as any who have been here some time know. you know too

actually unsound doctrine is the work of teaching demons as indicated in scripture. demons teach unsound doctrine through human beings who lie when they say God has called them to be a teacher

the very sad truth there, is that they are deceived by the demons themself and believe they are teaching truth

even spirit filled Christians are susceptible to this because they neglect to discern and or follow the clear warnings in scripture about deception, which is the devil coming as an angel of light

does not matter about your opinion on this. many of us know this to be true and verifiable in both scripture and through experience in dealing with congregations and believers on a much larger scale than most individual Christians will experience

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

This part of the passage stood out to me. He wasnt yet convertered. And He had been walking with Christ and had been revealed Jesus is the son of God. And he believed in Him. But obviously he wasnt converted yet. Thought id share. See if this adds to what you are saying.

 

[notuptome]

no one is baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion. no one. it is a separate event as the Bible clearly indicates and as people in this forum have patiently dealt with in illustrations from both scripture and personal witness and testimony. what do you think scripture is exactly? or did you miss where it is written that these things are written so that you might believe...and following a summary of events EXPERIENCED by those who wrote the words?

right. perhaps a deep breath is indicated here for you? didn't really think so


persons such as yourself, over a matter of years...years especially in your case...as any who have been here some time know. you know too

actually unsound doctrine is the work of teaching demons as indicated in scripture. demons teach unsound doctrine through human beings who lie when they say God has called them to be a teacher

the very sad truth there, is that they are deceived by the demons themself and believe they are teaching truth

even spirit filled Christians are susceptible to this because they neglect to discern and or follow the clear warnings in scripture about deception, which is the devil coming as an angel of light

does not matter about your opinion on this. many of us know this to be true and verifiable in both scripture and through experience in dealing with congregations and believers on a much larger scale than most individual Christians will experience

If you were not baptized in the Holy Spirit you were not converted. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens us. Eph 2 It is the washing of regeneration. Titus 3:5 The Holy Spirit is the promise of God that we are saved. The Holy Spirit is the witness with our spirit that we have been saved and sealed unto the day of redemption.

The elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit the elect in Christ to be deceived about their salvation.

Things like this concern me about the Pentecostals. I only hope it merely indicates a lack of biblical discipleship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Locoponydirtman]

remarkable!

just like scripture

what do you think you are reading in the Bible when you read of the EXPERIENCE regarding the Holy Spirit the authors were sharing?

do you imagine that it was a script that floated down out of heaven or perhaps a dove bore the message in it's beak written on parchment?

the very experience CONFIRMS the experience of those who wrote of their EXPERIENCE to begin with

I'm not dumb but I am not a genius either

how come most of you miss that?

So are you suggesting that the you tube commentary of a man talking about his experience is scripture?

 

[notuptome]

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

This part of the passage stood out to me. He wasnt yet convertered. And He had been walking with Christ and had been revealed Jesus is the son of God. And he believed in Him. But obviously he wasnt converted yet. Thought id share. See if this adds to what you are saying.

Conversion in John 20:22. Filled for power to preach in Acts 2:4.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

remarkable!

just like scripture

what do you think you are reading in the Bible when you read of the EXPERIENCE regarding the Holy Spirit the authors were sharing?

do you imagine that it was a script that floated down out of heaven or perhaps a dove bore the message in it's beak written on parchment?

the very experience CONFIRMS the experience of those who wrote of their EXPERIENCE to begin with

I'm not dumb but I am not a genius either

how come most of you miss that?

There is only one source of Christian faith... as it is written.

Personal experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things of God. It is becoming the new gospel of signs and wonders reincarnated.

If experience was the validator of the spiritual unseen things. If that was case Jesus our example flunked the test in Mathew 4. .

Rather than believe his own weakened condition (no food 40 days) he refused to beleive his own fleshly puffed up mind of those things which he did not see when the devil, called worshipping of angels in Colossians 2 gave a great experiences called by some" out of the body" or near death , which is simply lying spirits bring in lying wonders .The devil performed a lying wonder of all the kingdoms and all the glory of earth. Three times Jesus declared the one source of Christian faith, as it is written

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossains 2:18

 

[Wansvic]

I Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

First of all, Paul tells his listeners to covet earnestly the best gifts. If the church does not operate in spiritual gifts why are they encouraged to covet them?
Afterward, Paul advises those present that operating in spiritual gifts is not more important than having love for one another.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

There is only one source of Christian faith... as it is written.

Personal experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things of God. It is becoming the new gospel of signs and wonders reincarnated.

If experience was the validator of the spiritual unseen things. If that was case Jesus our example flunked the test in Mathew 4. .

Rather than believe his own weakened condition (no food 40 days) he refused to beleive his own fleshly puffed up mind of those things which he did not see when the devil, called worshipping of angels in Colossians 2 gave a great experiences called by some" out of the body" or near death , which is simply lying spirits bring in lying wonders .The devil performed a lying wonder of all the kingdoms and all the glory of earth. Three times Jesus declared the one source of Christian faith, as it is written

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossains 2:18

You beat me to it. All scripture is given...
And 1 Corinthian 4:6 says something to the effect of , don't exceed what is written.

We all agree that the Canon of scripture is complete for us here on this earth. Nothing that my pastor or anyone else's today writes or says is equal to scripture. I think we all agree that there was something different about the writers of the Bible and us today and that difference is why the things written by them is held up as scripture while the things written in this forum is not.

 

[notuptome]

First of all, Paul tells his listeners to covet earnestly the best gifts. If the church does not operate in spiritual gifts why are they encouraged to covet them?
Afterward, Paul advises those present that operating in spiritual gifts is not more important than having love for one another.

Spiritual gifts are far more than tongues. There are gifts that are better than healing the physical body or even raising the dead. A dead Christian is in a far better place than to be dragged back into this sinful world. An unsaved soul brought back would have a brief reprieve from the agony of eternal condemnation. You speak of Spiritual gifts yet omit the excellent gifts. Love being the best gift. Love for the lost and love for fellow believers. Love to help the poor and to warn the sinner of certain condemnation apart from Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Wansvic]

Spiritual gifts are far more than tongues. There are gifts that are better than healing the physical body or even raising the dead. A dead Christian is in a far better place than to be dragged back into this sinful world. An unsaved soul brought back would have a brief reprieve from the agony of eternal condemnation. You speak of Spiritual gifts yet omit the excellent gifts. Love being the best gift. Love for the lost and love for fellow believers. Love to help the poor and to warn the sinner of certain condemnation apart from Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Evidently you did not read my entire comment. I noticed you do that a lot. You jump on a band wagon without even reading mine or others entire comment(s).
If you have no intention of considering what others have to offer why bother to involve yourself in the conversation?

 

[notuptome]

Evidently you did not read my entire comment. I noticed you do that a lot. You jump on a band wagon without even reading mine or others entire comment(s).
If you have no intention of considering what others have to offer why bother to involve yourself in the conversation?

If it lacks biblical fidelity what consideration does it deserve?

Ac 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Wansvic]

You speak of Spiritual gifts yet omit the excellent gifts. Love being the best gift. Love for the lost and love for fellow believers. Love to help the poor and to warn the sinner of certain condemnation apart from Christ.

My response - Evidently you did not read my entire comment.

If it lacks biblical fidelity what consideration does it deserve?

Please explain how my comment regarding the importance of LOVE lacks biblical fidelity?

My response to you was as follows:
First of all, Paul tells his listeners to covet earnestly the best gifts. If the church does not operate in spiritual gifts why are they encouraged to covet them?
Afterward, Paul advises those present that operating in spiritual gifts is not more important than having love for one another.

 

[notuptome]

My response - Evidently you did not read my entire comment.

Please explain how my comment regarding the importance of LOVE lacks biblical fidelity?

My response to you was as follows:
First of all, Paul tells his listeners to covet earnestly the best gifts. If the church does not operate in spiritual gifts why are they encouraged to covet them?
Afterward, Paul advises those present that operating in spiritual gifts is not more important than having love for one another.

You assume that any church that is not Pentecostal is not operating in the Spiritual gifts. This is a self serving and patently false assumption. It lacks fidelity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So are you suggesting that the you tube commentary of a man talking about his experience is scripture?

oh my. isn't that well crafted. except it is a device used by those who cannot offer a response that is biblical

now try to formulate something based on what I actually said

did the men who wrote the scriptures we call the Bible have an experience or not?

 

[CS1]

If you were not baptized in the Holy Spirit you were not converted. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens us. Eph 2 It is the washing of regeneration. Titus 3:5 The Holy Spirit is the promise of God that we are saved. The Holy Spirit is the witness with our spirit that we have been saved and sealed unto the day of redemption.

The elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit the elect in Christ to be deceived about their salvation.

Things like this concern me about the Pentecostals. I only hope it merely indicates a lack of biblical discipleship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

you are not concerned about Pentecostals and you continue to insult those who are Pentecostal. You speak of lack of discipleship yet you lack the ability to explain how the gifts have stopped. You are arrogant and prideful. You prey on those new in the faith because you are a Pharisees.

 

[CS1]

Evidently you did not read my entire comment. I noticed you do that a lot. You jump on a band wagon without even reading mine or others entire comment(s).
If you have no intention of considering what others have to offer why bother to involve yourself in the conversation?

he has a bad habit of doing that. He is a guy who has never been corrected biblically. He will never even admit he has ever been wrong. Just a prideful Elitist who misrepresents the Pentecostal experience. You will do well to not take him as serious but ignorant.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

oh my. isn't that well crafted. except it is a device used by those who cannot offer a response that is biblical

now try to formulate something based on what I actually said

did the men who wrote the scriptures we call the Bible have an experience or not?

I answered this already.
they had experiences that they wrote down that became scripture the scriptural however they had many other experiences besides what is written in the scripture they did not merit scripture and are not scripture.
The supposition that because the writers of the Bible had experiences that were then written and became scripture does not equate to yours or my personal experiences or anyone else's for that matter to a scriptural experience.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If you were not baptized in the Holy Spirit you were not converted. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens us. Eph 2 It is the washing of regeneration. Titus 3:5 The Holy Spirit is the promise of God that we are saved. The Holy Spirit is the witness with our spirit that we have been saved and sealed unto the day of redemption.

The elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit the elect in Christ to be deceived about their salvation.

Things like this concern me about the Pentecostals. I only hope it merely indicates a lack of biblical discipleship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

oh baloney. there is no verse in scripture that backs that up. I have never heard that nonsense, not even in this forum, until lately

and now all you cessationists think you have a flag to plant on the hill of your lack of belief

what happened to the Jews? you don't use that argument anymore?

I think that if you believe all people who speak in tongues are demonic, then maybe you are not converted

Acts indicates that people receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit different ways and different times

the Bible never says that if you are not baptized in the Spirit at conversion you are not saved because many people do not receive the infilling at conversion but they are genuine believers

the error concerning the infilling of the Holy Spirit is the choice of error for those who are not filled and because they are not, they decided to ignore the history in Acts and create a false belief in what the infilling is.

I said nothing about salvation. I have not challenged anyone's salvation and it is another part of the false doctrine that has been circulating here

that is a false sense of security. we are saved by the blood Christ. not by speaking in tongues or exhibiting any other gift

 

[7seasrekeyed]

There is only one source of Christian faith... as it is written.

Personal experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things of God. It is becoming the new gospel of signs and wonders reincarnated.

If experience was the validator of the spiritual unseen things. If that was case Jesus our example flunked the test in Mathew 4. .

Rather than believe his own weakened condition (no food 40 days) he refused to beleive his own fleshly puffed up mind of those things which he did not see when the devil, called worshipping of angels in Colossians 2 gave a great experiences called by some" out of the body" or near death , which is simply lying spirits bring in lying wonders .The devil performed a lying wonder of all the kingdoms and all the glory of earth. Three times Jesus declared the one source of Christian faith, as it is written

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossains 2:18

you guys are just so funny!

the entire book of Acts is personal experience and since you don't have any, you can't see that

so instead the record of what happened, has become some antiquated thing that is not real to you

that's too bad

apart from that, the usual labyrinth of your thinking does not compute

I'll make sure I don't worship angels though. even though I have never had one in front of me telling me to worship him

but thanks for that

 

[7seasrekeyed]

oh dear

gracethroughfaithinChrist is running around putting x's on posts

is it the spelling? we can correct that

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You assume that any church that is not Pentecostal is not operating in the Spiritual gifts. This is a self serving and patently false assumption. It lacks fidelity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

well maybe these churches are practicing infidelity to the word since they don't obey it

self serving would be denying what scripture states and telling everyone who obeys the word they are demonic

which is what you do and have done for years here

you must need a new drum skin by now