Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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Broski could you PM me?
If not, I have been dying to tell you this so I will say it here: I want to apologize to you. I apologize! I completely misunderstood and misinterpreted the situation and thought you were going at me personally, I noticed you said the same thing to another user, therefore you were just doing your moderation duties. Im sorry and I learned from that experience to not get so emotional and riled up. (atleast im trying to
). Sorry bro! We believe a lot of the same things. We cool?
If not, I have been dying to tell you this so I will say it here: I want to apologize to you. I apologize! I completely misunderstood and misinterpreted the situation and thought you were going at me personally, I noticed you said the same thing to another user, therefore you were just doing your moderation duties. Im sorry and I learned from that experience to not get so emotional and riled up. (atleast im trying to
). Sorry bro! We believe a lot of the same things. We cool?
nothing to apologize for. I really don't remember what it was about.
I am really easy going lol-
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well, actually it is the point. If what we see in Acts as one was filled with the Holy did 1. speak in tongues or 2. prophesied, and it is seen as a normative, that can be a very strong argument as speaking tongues or prophesying as the initial evidence of one being empowered by the Holy Spirit. You do not have to agree and it could be wrong yet that thought would not be unbiblical. AS the Book of Acts records them all o more than three times and then taught in 1cor chapter 12 to 14.
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Who are we to limit or even understand the will of the Father. You were blessed by the Spirit moving
through you, and your heart glorified God. Sometimes I wonder about our control and our understanding
because in the end all that is truly significant is the Lord and His moving.
The fact the desires our hearts and our communion is such a privilege, such a blessing He chooses such
as us to move.
And often what is shared is no different than scripture, but the Lord is underlining it in the context of
His people and that assembly of His people. It is like having ones wife saying I love you, even when
you know it is true, saying it has a massive impact. Amen.
through you, and your heart glorified God. Sometimes I wonder about our control and our understanding
because in the end all that is truly significant is the Lord and His moving.
The fact the desires our hearts and our communion is such a privilege, such a blessing He chooses such
as us to move.
And often what is shared is no different than scripture, but the Lord is underlining it in the context of
His people and that assembly of His people. It is like having ones wife saying I love you, even when
you know it is true, saying it has a massive impact. Amen.
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Prior to God operating through me with the Spiritual gift of tongues, I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of tongues. After the incident described I knew the difference between the two.
The purpose of what occurred had nothing to do with me being edified, it was for the edification of the church body.
I did not understand the words pouring forth from me because I was speaking in an unknown tongue that was then interpreted by the pastor. I clearly heard him reciting the interpretation and even noticed him pause in the middle of a sentence. Afterward realizing the pause was the brief moment between the other individual's tongues stopping and mine beginning.
As I said, at the time the effects of God's Spirit pouring into my body left me overwhelmed.
If someone has to understand every aspect of something before they will submit to it they will receive nothing from God.
Heb 11:4
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Speaking in tongues in clearly biblical. And ss Paul states one edifies the individual and one edifies the church body.
1 Cor 12:10
...to another divers kinds of tongues
1 Cor 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1 Cor 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
After making the above statements, Paul goes on to say there are brethren that are equipped with different things for the furtherance of the gospel; if one speaks in an unknown tongue do it and let one interpret; and if there is no interpreter one can speak in tongues to himself and God:
1 Cor 14:26-28
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
The purpose of what occurred had nothing to do with me being edified, it was for the edification of the church body.
I did not understand the words pouring forth from me because I was speaking in an unknown tongue that was then interpreted by the pastor. I clearly heard him reciting the interpretation and even noticed him pause in the middle of a sentence. Afterward realizing the pause was the brief moment between the other individual's tongues stopping and mine beginning.
As I said, at the time the effects of God's Spirit pouring into my body left me overwhelmed.
If someone has to understand every aspect of something before they will submit to it they will receive nothing from God.
Heb 11:4
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Speaking in tongues in clearly biblical. And ss Paul states one edifies the individual and one edifies the church body.
1 Cor 12:10
...to another divers kinds of tongues
1 Cor 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1 Cor 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
After making the above statements, Paul goes on to say there are brethren that are equipped with different things for the furtherance of the gospel; if one speaks in an unknown tongue do it and let one interpret; and if there is no interpreter one can speak in tongues to himself and God:
1 Cor 14:26-28
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
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Scripture is clear on this matter, spiritual gifts are real. They are for ministry purposes. There is no reason to believe anything different. If we see less of the spiritual gifts in operation that would be up to God in his divine wisdom, but there is no indication that they have ceased altogether, and no reason for us to make the assertion.
I agree with you on that and they should question it too. I do not agree that is common with all Pentecostals and Charismatics. I have been in the minister for over 25 years and saved and filled with the Holy Spirit since 1982. I was taught that was inappropriate behavior in a church setting in accordance with 1cor chapter 14: 39-40. The video was in area culturally where expression like this was common. Notice the congo drums playing? That is not a norm in Pentecostal churches LOL
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It wouldn't be fair to say all because it won't be true, with the extreme it happens. I have to say it's not nearly as common now as it was back in the 80s. I think this fill is from Brazil. I can post one from here in America, but it's not for the point of embarrassing anyone. It's just to say that when this kind of stuff happens it casts a shadow on the whole. Kind of like when some Baptists were so strict about silly stuff such as dancing. It wasn't all but those outliers cast a long shadow.
I grew up Baptist, then joined a non-denominational Pentecostal leaning type church. That church kind of fell flat chasing a vision that was I guess was not of God. They sold their church building where they were floundering but making it and rented a much bigger one that ended up being bought by the near by University and torn down. They got real demanding of non paid staff until I just left. Then I found Calvary chapel and really liked it there. They were the ones who bought the church building that my prior church left, but I ended up moving to Texas. Here there are 4 Calvary chapels but they are too far of a drive. So I go to a Baptist Church were the pastor believes in the gifts of the spirit. I think I have found my balance there. Maybe.
I grew up Baptist, then joined a non-denominational Pentecostal leaning type church. That church kind of fell flat chasing a vision that was I guess was not of God. They sold their church building where they were floundering but making it and rented a much bigger one that ended up being bought by the near by University and torn down. They got real demanding of non paid staff until I just left. Then I found Calvary chapel and really liked it there. They were the ones who bought the church building that my prior church left, but I ended up moving to Texas. Here there are 4 Calvary chapels but they are too far of a drive. So I go to a Baptist Church were the pastor believes in the gifts of the spirit. I think I have found my balance there. Maybe.
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