Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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Many of God's created designs incorporate 3 things.
John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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EG, I read your post over again explaining what PennEd was meaning after becoming a bit calmer than I was than I left yesterday. If this is so, then I misunderstood what he was saying.
But, my response was pointed at his interjecting videos of the same type of thing.
Whether that clears up any dispute between PE and I, will remain to be seen because I suspect this goes beyond this current one, and is actually based on a former problem.
I can't do anything more than regret some of my postings publicly. They are all true testimonies.
Carry on soldiers! lol a normal laugh.
lol is laugh out loud
smh is shaking my head
EG, I read your post over again explaining what PennEd was meaning after becoming a bit calmer than I was than I left yesterday. If this is so, then I misunderstood what he was saying.
But, my response was pointed at his interjecting videos of the same type of thing.
Whether that clears up any dispute between PE and I, will remain to be seen because I suspect this goes beyond this current one, and is actually based on a former problem.
I can't do anything more than regret some of my postings publicly. They are all true testimonies.
Carry on soldiers! lol a normal laugh.
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I didn't read yours and Waggles post all the way because I'm not a cessationist either and this thread was whipping along at light speed yesterday
but I would disagree that water baptism is in addition to or part of salvation
first of all, it does not actually wash away sins...internal prob
second, only the blood of Christ, as we know, is acceptable to God to cleanse us from sin and we are being cleansed from sin by His blood as He is the final High Priest and our High Priest
I have been water baptized...13 or 14 I believe...and I believe we should be water baptized in obedience to the words of Christ
I don't have time right now to specifically look up the scripture you posted (attached) but later on today I will try to address this in more detail and prob add some scripture myself
I do agree water baptism should be followed, but not as do it or you are not saved...just want to be clear there
thanks
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Well most people take the bible as a whole. And see there is an apparent contradiction with Act 2 and alot of other scripture. So they study t see what is really being said.
In doing so. They would see that the greek does not say REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED as one command, But they would see repent and baptized are two different commands spoken to two different groups (repent spoken to ALL who are there, and be baptised spoken to only a select group of individual
Then logic would determine that you would see who he was telling to be baptised. And you would see that he told those who recieved the gift of the HS because they had repented and believed, were told to be baptised BECAUSE they received remission of sin.
And thats exactly what happened. Petere said THOSE WHO BELIEVED were Baptized
They were already saved before they even touched the water
Your taking a NT symbol, or physical act. And trying to make it the fulfillment of an OT symbol or physical act.
Thats not a very good idea
Both symbolize spiritual acts performed by God
Col 2 makes it clear. Our spiritual circumcision (symbolized by another physical symbolic event) is performed God god. Not man, How is this done, through the baptism of the spirit (the one who raised Christ from the dead.
Your trying to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man. Which makes it no different than people in pauls day trying to replace the spiritual circumcision performed by God with physical circumcision done by men.
It is totally amazing that satan has dooped 2 different cultures into two different false gospel where the work of God is replaced by the work of man (OT circumcision and NT baptism)
In doing so. They would see that the greek does not say REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED as one command, But they would see repent and baptized are two different commands spoken to two different groups (repent spoken to ALL who are there, and be baptised spoken to only a select group of individual
Then logic would determine that you would see who he was telling to be baptised. And you would see that he told those who recieved the gift of the HS because they had repented and believed, were told to be baptised BECAUSE they received remission of sin.
And thats exactly what happened. Petere said THOSE WHO BELIEVED were Baptized
They were already saved before they even touched the water
Your taking a NT symbol, or physical act. And trying to make it the fulfillment of an OT symbol or physical act.
Thats not a very good idea
Both symbolize spiritual acts performed by God
Col 2 makes it clear. Our spiritual circumcision (symbolized by another physical symbolic event) is performed God god. Not man, How is this done, through the baptism of the spirit (the one who raised Christ from the dead.
Your trying to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man. Which makes it no different than people in pauls day trying to replace the spiritual circumcision performed by God with physical circumcision done by men.
It is totally amazing that satan has dooped 2 different cultures into two different false gospel where the work of God is replaced by the work of man (OT circumcision and NT baptism)
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It will not help you when you face God and have refused to take the literal words written by peter himself to see what he really said.
The 1600 king james got it right.
Repent YE and let every one of YOU
Repent Ye was the plural form, 2nd person form of the word you (he was speaking to EVERYONE who was listening)
and let every one of YOU
You was the third person singular form/ meaning he speaking directly to certain induviduals. Not the whol crowd
When the modern day bibles did by removing the word ye, was make the passage confusing at best, and caused people to misinterpret it for ages.
The 1600 king james got it right.
Repent YE and let every one of YOU
Repent Ye was the plural form, 2nd person form of the word you (he was speaking to EVERYONE who was listening)
and let every one of YOU
You was the third person singular form/ meaning he speaking directly to certain induviduals. Not the whol crowd
When the modern day bibles did by removing the word ye, was make the passage confusing at best, and caused people to misinterpret it for ages.
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wellllll....deep breath....I don't agree that we are baptized 'by' the Holy Spirit at salvation...I believe you have expressed this though?
really do not want another discussion on it though but might start a thread on it after some questions to a mod regarding trying to keep it civil...I'll see...might...might not
so you had a bit of a checkered past...well prob most of us have had here
I would really refer to myself as non denom at this point in time, but non-cessationist as well
no prob 'getting it wrong'
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yeah ok here we go again
Waggles did not nor did he ever state that tongues or anything else had or has taken the place of Jesus
those are your words Roger and they are false
Waggles is frustrated as I and others have certainly been, with the continuing twisting of what is said, the attitude of some towards the truth of Pentecost and the adding to what is said
do you do that on purpose? it is certainly not godly nor does it indicate any sort of desire to actually have a conversation
it indicates a desire to stamp out, shut out and do away with what does not agree with YOUR personal interpretation
no one is worshipping idols or the gifts that you do not believe in. I'm pretty sure you actually know that but prefer to continue to charge the thread with your particular brand of venom
I wonder what would happen if you actually did not do those things? and don't say it is because of your passion for truth when the problem is you not being truthful in response to others
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hey spoon...see the little smiley above?
click on that and an entire array of smiles pops up, all of which are allowable to be used at your discretion. that should tell you that we are not always about serious and so polite you don't sound 'real' take me for example, I use those and will add memes or gifs and just add some humor or my way of expressing how silly I think something is. they can also be an ice breaker...or sarcastic
now if you hover your mouse over each smiley above you will note it tells you what they mean
smh and or lol are not abusive or rude or anything along those lines
now telling people they are stupid etc is another story
here's a cute little meme (google images with search) I might put under something that made no sense...I like using memes
hope that helps
click on that and an entire array of smiles pops up, all of which are allowable to be used at your discretion. that should tell you that we are not always about serious and so polite you don't sound 'real' take me for example, I use those and will add memes or gifs and just add some humor or my way of expressing how silly I think something is. they can also be an ice breaker...or sarcastic
now if you hover your mouse over each smiley above you will note it tells you what they mean
smh and or lol are not abusive or rude or anything along those lines
now telling people they are stupid etc is another story
here's a cute little meme (google images with search) I might put under something that made no sense...I like using memes
hope that helps
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Unbelief in God's willingness to include the Gentiles is not the issue addressed in Isaiah 28, which is what Garee keeps quoting. It does not apply in a situation where no unbelieving Jews were present, as there weren't in Acts 10, and therefore does not apply in a modern situation where no unbelieving Jews are present. This is a long-running disagreement between myself and Garee.
Respectfully, I'm not getting into that debate.
Respectfully, I'm not getting into that debate.
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