Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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The included image is from a Roman Catholic Bible Catechism booklet. Notice the last paragraph. And specifically the last three sentences.
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FYI I do not care what the Catholics say nor does that even change the authoritative words of The Lord Jesus. that does not change Matt 28:19 you can flush that.
 

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Amen, once a person confirms what the sign points (unbelievers ,no faith) Then the rest of the doctrine of tongues as a new manner of prophecy can fall into place. Leaving it in limbo is not walking by faith.

The unbelievers are The non Believing Jews of that time. Not unbelievers of the world today.
 

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Well I have advised you. Unless you refer back to the original in Greek you will never.



That's an opinion or belief you have. The problem is the bible does have many errors. From words being added, words being removed. Commas in the wrong place. Chapter divisions in the wrong place etc.

The bible in the original contains no punctuation or chapter divisions or even spaces between the words. So when a translator comes a long it's up to him to decide on those things and it's an extremely difficult job. If you have a particular theological bias then you can alter a lot just by a comma.

In regards to the salvation components well you may be right, you may not be, I will keep that in mind moving forward.
there is no error in the Bible. Copiest discrepancies only because languages are not all the same. the earlier and later manuscripts the context of each one has over a 99.9 % accuracy. to use the term error is and has always been a liberal theology stands.
 

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so Paul was what then?

demoniac?

Jesus didn't say those words directly to him either and low and behold!

Paul wrote about tongues to an entire church full of people...who were abusing the gift

so he set them straight

follow the directions given by Paul, and there should be no confusion etc. but people do not do that all the time, so we end up with 2 kinds of errors

we end up with people who deny what is plainly written and we end up with people who go emotionally hog wild

neither is correct

however, going out of one's way to deny the Holy Spirit is far worse than people needing correction

seems you joined the forum just to castigate those who speak in tongues...and yes, I read your post where you said that you used to speak in tongues but now you call it garbage (might not be the word you used, but same meaning)

however, like your thoughts above regarding the Apostles being the only ones Jesus was speaking to, apart from my thoughts on Paul, how do you explain the word BELIEVE?

do you believe or not? well if you do you are a believer

you and others conveniently leave out ANY AND ALL scripture that does not agree with you

so basically, you create your own version of the Bible

Jesus appeared to Paul. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles. He was called by Jesus.

Please show me a scripture where any other person besides the ''The Emissaries Of Christ'' who were able to impart spiritual gifts to anyone.

Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The Ascension
(Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:6-11)

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

He appeared to the eleven and told them to go....And confirming with signs following. It proves they were eye witnesses to all that Jesus did. Jesus gave them the authority, The Father gave Jesus the authority to do those things.

In the name of Jesus means, by the authority of Jesus.
How have I created a new version of the bible? I am using all the scripture to expose the truth. I am not focused in on a small amount of scripture that seems to confirm speaking in tongues.
 

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there is no error in the Bible. Copiest discrepancies only because languages are not all the same. the earlier and later manuscripts the context of each one has over a 99.9 % accuracy. to use the term error is and has always been a liberal theology stands.
The original may contain no errors. But as I have said before I am referring to the English translations. Although there are some differences between the Hebrew and the Septuagint.
 

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I would say trustworthy verification of ANY miracles is sketchy at best.

But let's say for instance that Wigglesworth punching a cancer victim in the stomach or beating a dead person back to life, actually DID happen. We are told that our enemy can perform lying wonders and signs designed to deceive.

We are also told to test the spirits because not all are from God.

So how do we to discern the frauds, the lying wonders and the true, Blessed real thing from the Lord? Certainly not merely by the results or an experience.

We do it by hearing God through His Word. There is not a SINGLE recorded incident ANYWHERE in Scripture that I am aware of where violence is used to heal a person. Violence is used by the ENEMY. Such as in the case of the boy who would throw himself into the fire, or the guy in the graveyard that would beat and terrorize himself and others.

If you can show me a case where violence is used I will rethink my position.

Have a look at the miracles performed by Jesus and His Apostles. They were undeniable. Take for instance the first miracle performed by Peter in Acts 3v1.
The man was lame from his mothers womb. His legs would have been like toothpicks. So when he was healed by God, there was absolutely no question he was physically deformed to begin with and physically healed afterward.

John 5v5 Jesus performed a similar miracle on a lame man who had been sick for 38 years. Again everyone new him and new he was sick. So once healed who could deny it? No one!

Who can provide any proof of real miracles today? No one. People make all sorts of claims but I have never seen any real proof. And there is no proof the people who claim to be sick in the first place are actually sick in some way.
Anyone can make a claim about anything. But please send in a doctors certificate with confirmation of the sickness and then the same again for the healing.

I have been in churches where people say they have been healed of cancer, only later to say it's back...Hmm. I don't see that example in the bible anywhere..
 

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All these signs shall follow them.......Did Jesus say that to you? Were you an eye witness to all that He did and to His resurrection? It was to ''His Apostles'', they were the ones given the authority to do those things as a sign that they were eye witnesses to Jesus ministry and His resurrection. No one else could then claim to be one of the Apostles of Jesus if they did not have that authority and power given to them by Jesus.
No one outside of the apostles could lay their hands on a person and impart the gifts except for the Apostles of Jesus.

Here is another English translation error that gives cover to false beliefs.

Acts 8v18 ''When Simon saw [past tense] that the Spirit was [''WAS'' is not in the original text] it is literally ''IS BEING GIVEN'' present tense continuous verb.

given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

Someone here said to me in a previous post they are a Berean and study the bible. Well my guess if that is true you are smart enough to figure out how that changes the context of that verse a lot and what it's implications are in being able to receive any supernatural gifts now.
Ahhh, poor little yellow wiggle, are you okay? You clicked the little virtual ''X''. Just cause it's written by me? I see you have done that a lot. Even when it is clear biblical fact. Your so weak as a person that somehow the little virtual X gives you some satisfaction in your dull life. But cheer up and take heart little wiggles, life isn't so bad, I mean you have a big jar of Vegemite, so we have that in common, cause I love Vegemite too. This ones for you wiggles. ''SMILE''
 

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there is nothing that says to be baptized in the name of Jesus only to be saved.

I will say it even more clearly. Jesus said in Matt 28: 19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

These words spoken BY the Lord Jesus Christ are not null in void because what the Holy Spirit Peter says in Acts 2:38. Nothing in Acts 2:38 says ONLY. That is an error. The context of what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 was restated in other gospels about the great commission.

far as prayers answered I find your comment very disturbing. Everything Jesus did and said was to bring to the Father.
YO suggest that a person cannot be healed because they said: "we ask in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit" and not the name of Jesus only is the most foolish thing I have ever heard.

The very prayer Jesus taught His disples, Jesus said when you pray
Luke 11:12

2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:

Our Father in heaven,

my prayers are heard because I am saved and have a relationship with the Lord. Your outlook on prayer is unbiblical. You do not see where both are valid?

you would be a person to tell one new in the faith they are not saved because they had not been baptized in the name of Jesus only? you would do that? you believe that?
I cannot change what the word clearly says.
If you will recall God made it very clear throughout the bible that disobedience is partial obedience. The story of King Saul is a perfect example. Saul thought he knew better than God and only completed part of the command God gave concerning the Amalekites.
(1 Sam 15-22) God had a plan that required specifics be completed for its fulfillment.

It is not my intention to irritate or upset you or anyone. We are all called to share what we see. And what I have shared is what I see.
My desire is to help and learn from others not to cause strife.
 

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Ahhh, poor little yellow wiggle, are you okay? You clicked the little virtual ''X''. Just cause it's written by me? I see you have done that a lot. Even when it is clear biblical fact. Your so weak as a person that somehow the little virtual X gives you some satisfaction in your dull life. But cheer up and take heart little wiggles, life isn't so bad, I mean you have a big jar of Vegemite, so we have that in common, cause I love Vegemite too. This ones for you wiggles. ''SMILE''
Aahh a virtual thumbs down? Goes nicely with the virtual X, don't you think? I am sure we can all agree on that? ''Smiley face.''
 
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Oh lovely, good for you. And what language is it that you speak? Gibberish? Babbel? Is it the sound of mumbling while your finger moves up and down across your lips? Hilarious.


Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

I'll just let your mundane and insulting language speak for you
 

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Straight out lie.
No wonder you get disagree icons.
You blog unbelief and lies.
Simple to prove me wrong wiggle. But again lots of claims but no proof. Send me some proof. The disagree icons are most welcome wiggles, it's virtual. I switch off the computer and goodbye, it means nothing.

But the real point is, lets see some proof? I'm still waiting?
 

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Well if you keep blogging rubbish and drivel you can only expect a disagree icon.

In the end Jesus is coming back to claim those that overcome … not backsliders.

Mate I love the little virtual icon, I love you too. I am sure your a lovely little wiggle in real life. Yeah and I am a backslider. When I go to water slides I go down them on my back, and slide. ''Smiley face''
 

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I cannot change what the word clearly says.
If you will recall God made it very clear throughout the bible that disobedience is partial obedience. The story of King Saul is a perfect example. Saul thought he knew better than God and only completed part of the command God gave concerning the Amalekites.
(1 Sam 15-22) God had a plan that required specifics be completed for its fulfillment.

It is not my intention to irritate or upset you or anyone. We are all called to share what we see. And what I have shared is what I see.
My desire is to help and learn from others not to cause strife.
you are not upsetting me and saul is not even a good example contextually of what Jesus said in Matt 28:19.

If you believe that one has to be baptized in Jesus name ONLY, to be saved that is Biblically an error.
 
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Jesus appeared to Paul. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles. He was called by Jesus.

Please show me a scripture where any other person besides the ''The Emissaries Of Christ'' who were able to impart spiritual gifts to anyone.

Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The Ascension
(Luke 24:50-53; Acts 1:6-11)

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

He appeared to the eleven and told them to go....And confirming with signs following. It proves they were eye witnesses to all that Jesus did. Jesus gave them the authority, The Father gave Jesus the authority to do those things.

In the name of Jesus means, by the authority of Jesus.
How have I created a new version of the bible? I am using all the scripture to expose the truth. I am not focused in on a small amount of scripture that seems to confirm speaking in tongues.

there were the 70 in Luke sent out, obviously more than 12

you must be one of those if I can't find brushing your teeth in the Bible that means I should not brush my teeth

if you cannot do anything in the name of Jesus that is your problem.

if when you share the word there is nothing to indicate you speak the truth, then perhaps the truth is not in you

each believer has authority in Jesus name

by the way, you don't have to 'use' scripture to expose the truth. however, you are using scripture for your own beliefs and exposing your hard heart and blindness

I am not focused in on a small amount of scripture that seems to confirm speaking in tongues.
LOL! gee I could not tell haha

listen dude, you are just being ignorant now. I asked you what about Paul giving instructions in Corinthians regarding tongues because you said only the disciple spoke in tongues...and that is wrong right there. I believe there were about 120 in the upper room?

and your answer regarding Paul is that you are not focused on that scripture

the emperor has no clothes
 

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It is sad seeing a former brother in the Lord choosing foolishness over wisdom and truth …

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.
Matthew 25:
 

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there were the 70 in Luke sent out, obviously more than 12

you must be one of those if I can't find brushing your teeth in the Bible that means I should not brush my teeth

if you cannot do anything in the name of Jesus that is your problem.

if when you share the word there is nothing to indicate you speak the truth, then perhaps the truth is not in you

each believer has authority in Jesus name

by the way, you don't have to 'use' scripture to expose the truth. however, you are using scripture for your own beliefs and exposing your hard heart and blindness



LOL! gee I could not tell haha

listen dude, you are just being ignorant now. I asked you what about Paul giving instructions in Corinthians regarding tongues because you said only the disciple spoke in tongues...and that is wrong right there. I believe there were about 120 in the upper room?

and your answer regarding Paul is that you are not focused on that scripture

the emperor has no clothes
I never said only the disciples spoke in tongues. I never even used the word disciples.

I said only the ''Apostles of Christ'' and that is different to other apostles. Do a study on that alone and learn something new.

It is only the Apostles of Christ who could impart the spiritual gifts.

Read through Acts and have a look. Philip and others had spiritual gifts given by God, but they could not impart them to other people. Paul had to travel to the Romans to impart the gifts. If it could be achieved by prayer as someone else mentioned here then they would not have required Paul. Paul imparted spiritual gifts to Timothy.
Like I have said and asked so many times. Please supply me with a scripture where someone besides Christs Apostles imparted the gifts to other people.
Again look at Acts 8 Phillip was there but there was no outward sign of any spiritual gifts. It was not until Peter and John arrived that they received the gifts. That is why Simon the sorcerer wanted what they had. He saw that the gifts were given by the laying on of their hands, Peter and Johns hands. It did not happen by anyone else.
It is all there written in plain English, but I know you cannot see it. And I know it is futile that I try to show you. It will be God who teaches you, not me ever.