When Jesus died for our sins...

[preston39]

When Jesus died for our sins it was to take the punishment we deserved for our sins, right? With Jesus taking the punishment we deserve for our sins we therefore are not under punishment for our sins and thus have eternal life, correct? Am I looking at salvation the right way?

Basically, Yes......providing...that you repent and live righteously. It is not a automatic...forgiveness.......as new age religion (principally since the 1960's...OSAS) teaches.
Also we must ..."maintain"...such righteousness during our earthly life.
Additionally, don't forget water baptism.....it is required.

 

[preston39]

Forgiveness of sin is not Salvation. All mankind has been forgiven, He took the sin of the whole world. Yet certainly not all mankind is saved.

Forgiveness of sin allows for salvation. Salvation comes when we are saved from death by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, that comes when we believe that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb, that we are sinners in need of a savior, we repent and turn to him and then we accept His free gift of eternal life through the Holy Spirit.

You see there is a problem. Sin and death. All the way back in Genesis. Adam sinned, mankind died. The solution, Jesus died for the forgiveness of sin and sent the Holy Spirit for the resurrection of life.

We are ...saved....after we physically die and are judged by G-d and awarded eternal salvation. Until that occurs we are....born again....as scripture says.

 

[preston39]

AMEN....he took our sins (ALL OF THEM) and his righteousness is put to our account by faith.....and we have been rendered legally INNOCENT (JUSTIFIED).....the bible is clear....there is a plethora of promises and truths that must be denied, swept under the table and or taken out of context to peddle a dime store salvation that can be lost or maintained by man and what he does or does not do......

It is less than a penny store salvation to teach OSAS.

 

[dcontroversal]

It is less than a penny store salvation to teach OSAS.

No, actually it is the truth....you should try it instead of your self saving crap that devalues JESUS, his promises, power and work on our behalf.....Just for you......

The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....

Bible -->I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us

Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us

Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers --->WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us

Bible -->He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do

Bible -->Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God

Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them

Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD

Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept

Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept

Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil

Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep

Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved

Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again

Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved

ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

AMEN....he took our sins (ALL OF THEM) and his righteousness is put to our account by faith.....and we have been rendered legally INNOCENT (JUSTIFIED).....the bible is clear....there is a plethora of promises and truths that must be denied, swept under the table and or taken out of context to peddle a dime store salvation that can be lost or maintained by man and what he does or does not do......

The picture here is a person, and separate from them is this thing salvation.
In this picture Jesus is holding salvation and the believer is accepting it, and Jesus never lets go.

The problem with this picture is the person stays the same, and salvation is a thing separate from them.

In truth we become salvation, we walk in it and live it. The Holy Spirit dwells within and we learn and
grow in this walk. You cannot separate us from salvation or our walk.

If our walk fails then so do we. But the walk or reality is to realise love rules every decision we make,
all our relationships and all our ambitions. And in this love the Holy Spirit dwells and our communion
with Jesus is alive. Out of our hearts flows love, the inheritance of the cross at work in us, to bring us
victory and the light of God.

So we are not maintaining salvation, we are living it, the Kingdom of heaven come to earth.
To walk away from this Kingdom is to deny Jesus and His truth.

But in reality, our hearts fight with us, the flesh tempts us with another path, and we need to exercise
faith and sow to the spirit to inherit eternal life, the fulfilment of the work Christ has begun in us.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The picture here is a person, and separate from them is this thing salvation.
In this picture Jesus is holding salvation and the believer is accepting it, and Jesus never lets go.

The problem with this picture is the person stays the same, and salvation is a thing separate from them.

In truth we become salvation, we walk in it and live it. The Holy Spirit dwells within and we learn and
grow in this walk. You cannot separate us from salvation or our walk.

If our walk fails then so do we. But the walk or reality is to realise love rules every decision we make,
all our relationships and all our ambitions. And in this love the Holy Spirit dwells and our communion
with Jesus is alive. Out of our hearts flows love, the inheritance of the cross at work in us, to bring us
victory and the light of God.

So we are not maintaining salvation, we are living it, the Kingdom of heaven come to earth.
To walk away from this Kingdom is to deny Jesus and His truth.

But in reality, our hearts fight with us, the flesh tempts us with another path, and we need to exercise
faith and sow to the spirit to inherit eternal life, the fulfilment of the work Christ has begun in us.

Somebody might ask,can a person be truly saved and then because of their love for the world turn again back to the world and lose their Just standing to GOD?

the bible says that
1 John 3:1-3
King James Version


1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[preston39]

Somebody might ask,can a person be truly saved and then because of their love for the world turn again back to the world and lose their Just standing to GOD?

the bible says that
1 John 3:1-3
King James Version


1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The answer is yes...it happens every day.
(note; we are not....saved until G-d says we are...saved ...and awards us eternal salvation and the 5 possible crowns.

If we say we are ......saved...then there is no need for G-d to judge us after death...is it?
Until that occurs and while we are here in this life on this earth...we are ....born again.

 

[Magenta]

The answer is yes...it happens every day.
(note; we are not....saved until G-d says we are...saved ...and awards us eternal salvation and the 5 possible crowns.

If we say we are ......saved...then there is no need for G-d to judge us after death...is it?
Until that occurs and while we are here in this life on this earth...we are ....born again.

We are not judged after death, our works are; there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus

 

[Journeyman]

LeeLoving,
Jesus died according to the scriptures, according to what the OT says. The OT is very clear that Jesus died "for" sinners, not "in place of" sinners. Jesus was falsely accused, not rightfully punished.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

When Jesus died for our sins it was to take the punishment we deserved for our sins, right? With Jesus taking the punishment we deserve for our sins we therefore are not under punishment for our sins and thus have eternal life, correct? Am I looking at salvation the right way?

Yes JESUS took the punishment for sin so that we could be joined to GOD the Father through HIM because GOD loves righteousness and because man was weak through the flesh no man would have made It Into heaven without JESUS as a man fulfilling GODs standard of righteousness (The law) and having mercy on any who believe In the WORD of GOD sent to this world to take the punishment and obedient even to death and that death was on a cross.

JESUS ,the WORD of GOD manifested to the human eye In the flesh took the punishment for us breaking HIS perfect standard of righteousness and made a way for us to be joined with GOD.

Nevertheless we can choose to accept the WORD of GOD and those who do not believe are still under law and already condemned.

 

[Deade]

Yes JESUS took the punishment for sin so that we could be joined to GOD the Father through HIM because GOD loves righteousness and because man was weak through the flesh no man would have made It Into heaven without JESUS as a man fulfilling GODs standard of righteousness (The law) and having mercy on any who believe In the WORD of GOD sent to this world to take the punishment and obedient even to death and that death was on a cross.

No man has made it into heaven. Nobody is there and nobody is going there. Heaven, the Kingdom of, is coming to earth. We will have an earth based "heavenly" home always.

As far as us calling ourselves "saved," we should understand we are calling the future. We can say we are saved but until we are raised immortal, it is yet future. God allows us to call this future just as He does (see Romans 4:17). We rest secured as God's promises are sure.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

No man has made it into heaven. Nobody is there and nobody is going there. Heaven, the Kingdom of, is coming to earth. We will have an earth based "heavenly" home always.

As far as us calling ourselves "saved," we should understand we are calling the future. We can say we are saved but until we are raised immortal, it is yet future. God allows us to call this future just as He does (see Romans 4:17). We rest secured as God's promises are sure.

you believe that earth will be heaven?you ok?

 

[Deade]

you believe that earth will be heaven?you ok?

Yes, heaven can be described as wherever God is.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yes, heaven can be described as wherever God is.

In a manner of speaking.

But that does not nullify the existence and reality of God's Heaven, the place of His throne, and the location of the New Jerusalem and Paradise.

 

[Nehemiah6]

No man has made it into heaven. Nobody is there and nobody is going there.

THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE.

First Enoch, then Elijah, then all the OT saints at the resurrection of Christ, then all the NT saints after the ascension of Christ, went to Heaven, and are in Heaven as we speak. See Hebrew 12:22-24. This is that "great cloud of witnesses" mentioned by Paul in Hebrews.

And at the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints, the Church will be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb, and then for all eternity in the New Jerusalem.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yes, heaven can be described as wherever God is.

Yes,but I'm talking about the actual location to heaven.I hope you can understand me.

 

[Deade]

THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE.

First Enoch, then Elijah, then all the OT saints at the resurrection of Christ, then all the NT saints after the ascension of Christ, went to Heaven, and are in Heaven as we speak. See Hebrew 12:22-24. This is that "great cloud of witnesses" mentioned by Paul in Hebrews.

And at the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints, the Church will be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb, and then for all eternity in the New Jerusalem.

Enoch and Elijah are dead. What about Paul’s saying that Enoch "should not see death"? Which Death Did Enoch Escape? Enoch lived only three hundred sixty-five years. Then what could Paul possibly have meant by saying: "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found because God had translated him?" This verse nowhere says that Enoch did not die. Rather, it says that Enoch "should not see death." But what does it mean? Remember, there is more than one death mentioned in the Bible. There is a first death, and there is a second death (Rev. 20:6). Which death did Paul mean? The first death is appointed unto men (Heb. 9:27). That death cannot be humanly evaded. It is inevitable. That death Enoch died, as we have already proved. But Paul was not writing about that death. The phrase "should not see" is in the conditional tense of the verb, having reference to a future event. It is not in the past tense, that he "did not see" death—but that he "should not see death." So, this death that Enoch escaped by being translated is one that he can escape in the future on certain conditions. Did Jesus ever speak of a death that might be escaped? He certainly did! In John 8:51: Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death." He shall never see the second death. And again, in John 11:26, "Whoso liveth and believeth in me shall never die"—or shall not die forever.

You have been told that Elijah went to heaven. Yet over 900 years after Elijah was taken up by a whirlwind Jesus Himself said. "No man ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man" (John 3:13). Is this a Bible contradiction? Did Elijah really ascend to the heaven where God’s throne is—even though Jesus said he didn’t? If Elijah is not in heaven today, then where did Elijah go?

Since Elijah could not have gone to the heaven of God’s throne, then to which heaven did he go Scripture reads: "and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (II Kings 2:1, 11). The answer ought already be quite obvious! Elijah "went up by a whirlwind into heaven"—not to the heaven of God’s throne, but into this earth’s atmosphere, the first heaven. There could be no whirlwind in any other place but in the atmosphere surrounding this earth—in the first heaven, in which the birds fly. You certainly have seen the great lifting power of a whirlwind, haven’t you?

Yes,but I'm talking about the actual location to heaven.I hope you can understand me.

Nobody is going there, at least not until after the millennial reign.

 

[Nehemiah6]

"No man ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man" (John 3:13). Is this a Bible contradiction?

This verse is repeatedly misinterpreted and misunderstood. It does NOT nullify the fact that both Enoch and Elijah went to Heaven. So what you might wish to do is check some of the conservative commentaries to discover the true meaning of John 3:13.

 

[preston39]

We are not judged after death, our works are; there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus

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[preston39]

We are not judged after death, our works are; there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus

Did I say...works were not?