Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
What is truly sad is that some people here cannot accept that we share what the bible says and our own experience because we care about them. It seems many they think it is done in an effort to point fingers and pat oneself on the back. We know that there is nothing to be boastful about because all an individual does is open their mouth in praise to God and the Holy Ghost takes over from there. My heart goes out to those who have received wrong teaching that hamper their ability to receive such a blessed gift from God. And my prayer and yours I'm sure is that the eyes of some will to be open and many will come to see the truth.
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Again, Your not even hearing what we are saying, No one is dissing your supposed gift, We are apposed to your gospel. If you think you speak in tongues, all th epower to you.

Most people are more worried about your eternal state and what you are teaching others concerning that eternal state and how to get there. Than with you believing you have a particular gift of the spirit.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
Whoever truly believes in Jesus will obey His instructions and in doing so will certainly receive remission of their sin.
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They recieve remission because God offers to it, and they recieve it, Not because they earn it by working for it.

If you think you can work penalty of sin off so you can receive remission, You are in serious trouble
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
I was thinking the same thing when I saw the comment about using the x. Nothing else to use when one doesn't wish to explain something over and over again.
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Some people like to use it often.

It is like it gives them power or something, And since so few use it so often, It is just a joke.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
Something to consider. Jesus said all power has been given unto me. Why would He then advise people to use something other than His own name?
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Why did he say when he told them to baptise disciples. To baptise in the name of father son and spirit

You have never answered this question why is that?

Why would (if your right) jesus tell us to be baptised in the name of jesus only. But tell those who were sent to baptise us to baptise us in the name of the father son and spirit.

Seems contradictory does it not?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Then tell me

Why did you put a sleeping mark on my post. Where I was standing up for that gospel against someone who teaches a different gospel Than you just posted?


You my friend have to be more thoughtful. When you do things like that, how else are we to take it?

Like I have said many times, Most times it is better to just leave things alone, this is how these things always get started!

Did you assume I was fighting against tongues? If that was so, you assumed wrong, I was standing firm against his gospel which teaches that not only must you be baptized in water before you are justified, You also MUST speak in tongues. And even mentioned that his church is the one and only true church. (As far as I understood you did not agree with that, But when you did what you did, I had no other choice but to assume I was worng in that thinking, you left me no choice!)

That is what I was standing against And you put the “ZZZ” emoticon on my post.

So how was I to understand other than you agreed with Waggles?

And done’t judge me for judging your gospel. That was not my intend, and you should know that sir!!
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it's not a sleepy mark. that al I am going to say
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
How come he did not ay this in Matt 28. Did he just forget? He also did not mention baptism in any of the other gospels. Why is that? Did he forget?
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He said it and believe it or not,it is true.
Not a good idea to edit the word.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Then tell me

Why did you put a sleeping mark on my post. Where I was standing up for that gospel against someone who teaches a different gospel Than you just posted?


You my friend have to be more thoughtful. When you do things like that, how else are we to take it?

Like I have said many times, Most times it is better to just leave things alone, this is how these things always get started!

Did you assume I was fighting against tongues? If that was so, you assumed wrong, I was standing firm against his gospel which teaches that not only must you be baptized in water before you are justified, You also MUST speak in tongues. And even mentioned that his church is the one and only true church. (As far as I understood you did not agree with that, But when you did what you did, I had no other choice but to assume I was worng in that thinking, you left me no choice!)

That is what I was standing against And you put the “ZZZ” emoticon on my post.

So how was I to understand other than you agreed with Waggles?

And done’t judge me for judging your gospel. That was not my intend, and you should know that sir!!
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The gospel is: JESUS SAVES. No salvation apart from him His dbr was the work.
You saying csi promotes something else EXCLUSIVELY???

YOU need a lesson on basics.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Again, Your not even hearing what we are saying, No one is dissing your supposed gift, We are apposed to your gospel. If you think you speak in tongues, all th epower to you.

Most people are more worried about your eternal state and what you are teaching others concerning that eternal state and how to get there. Than with you believing you have a particular gift of the spirit.
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The gospel is Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and without that salvation is available to no one. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and no man comes to the father except THROUGH Him. The way one comes to the father through Him is seen in our repentance, water baptism in His name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

You continue to conflate the speaking in tongues associated with the giving of the gift of the Holy Ghost and the Spiritual gift of tongues. They are two separate things. And this is clearly shown in the word of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Absolutely said:
The gospel is: JESUS SAVES. No salvation apart from him His dbr was the work.
You saying csi promotes something else EXCLUSIVELY???

YOU need a lesson on basics.
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I never said a word about CS1’s gospel.

I just said, Since CS1 fails to confront someone else wiht their gospel. And basically made a words not spoken reply to my post which was trying to expose that person. Maybe he agrees with him (he still has not said he does not, or said a word against the person in question)


You need a lesson on comprehension!
 
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Wansvic said:
The gospel is Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and without that salvation is available to no one. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and no man comes to the father except THROUGH Him. The way one comes to the father through Him is seen in our repentance, water baptism in His name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

You continue to conflate the speaking in tongues associated with the giving of the gift of the Holy Ghost and the Spiritual gift of tongues. They are two separate things. And this is clearly shown in the word of God.
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So

The gospel is jesus death burial and ressurection,

But we have to be baptized?

That means the gospel is NOT just the death burial and resurrection.

Itr means youru gospel is the death burial and resurrection and our baptism.

May I ask why you are afraid to own up to your gospel?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
They recieve remission because God offers to it, and they recieve it, Not because they earn it by working for it.

If you think you can work penalty of sin off so you can receive remission, You are in serious trouble
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Repenting, getting water baptized in Jesus' name and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost are not man made ideas concocted to try and be saved. God provided the instructions, man just follows the instructions given. God-given commands require obedience whether one chooses to believe it or not.
 
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Welp. He can not get away with it now.

He just disagreed with me that Wansvic teaches baptismal regeneration as his gospel.

Either his hate for me is out there that he has to red x everything, or he sincerely is not apposed to the false gospel of works.
 
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Wansvic said:
Repenting, getting water baptized in Jesus' name and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost are not man made ideas concocted to try and be saved. God provided the instructions, man just follows the instructions given. God-given commands require obedience whether one chooses to believe it or not.
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God did not say one HAS to be baptised in water to be saved.

Jesus said clearly, FAITH in him is what saves us, And made it clear that condemnation is based on lack of faith, NOT lack of baptism.

If water baptism is requried, Then God is holding us to a hiar standard then he did the jews, Were we are told point blank, Animal sacrifice NEVER saved anyone, Not did physical circumcision, Neither did any other work.

I just pray one day you see this,,

(While I am here, will wait for another red X from certain people)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Red X. It means to disagree

CS1 just gave me a disagree mark. Stating he disagrees with me that God did nto say water batism is essential for salvation

Which means he MUST believe water baptism is required.

Now if anyone goiing to yell at me and say that is not what he is saying? Red X means disagree. So you would be lieing



Your doing it to yourself dude.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Why did he say when he told them to baptise disciples. To baptise in the name of father son and spirit

You have never answered this question why is that?

Why would (if your right) jesus tell us to be baptised in the name of jesus only. But tell those who were sent to baptise us to baptise us in the name of the father son and spirit.

Seems contradictory does it not?
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No it is not contradictory. Jesus said to do exactly what the disciples actually did, and what is recorded consistently in the word: baptize in the NAME... Notice Jesus stated in the name; singular, not in the names of. What is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

If one takes the time to study this out they will realize that name is Jesus; for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 2:9-12
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Wansvic said:
No it is not contradictory. Jesus said to do exactly what the disciples actually did, and what is recorded consistently in the word: baptize in the NAME... Notice Jesus stated in the name; singular, not in the names of. What is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

If one takes the time to study this out they will realize that name is Jesus; for in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 2:9-12
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
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Think about what you just said, Your saying the circumcision done by the nads of God not the hands of men is accomplished by a MAN with his OWN HANDS, baptizing you in water.

Can you explain this to me?
 
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And I guess I need to do what I was asked to do last time someone started this stuff. And write another letter to robo-op. Because we have people acting like children.

I am sick of the game playing, I said last time I would not continue with this nonsense.
 
Wansvic

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eternally-gratefull said:
God did not say one HAS to be baptised in water to be saved.

Jesus said clearly, FAITH in him is what saves us, And made it clear that condemnation is based on lack of faith, NOT lack of baptism.

If water baptism is requried, Then God is holding us to a hiar standard then he did the jews, Were we are told point blank, Animal sacrifice NEVER saved anyone, Not did physical circumcision, Neither did any other work.

I just pray one day you see this,,

(While I am here, will wait for another red X from certain people)
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God required different things from man throughout each dispensation of time as recorded in the word. People are expected to follow the instructions God provided for the New Testament church of which one is water baptism. What is so hard about getting water baptized in Jesus' name?

If water baptism was not required of man why was Paul still preaching it 21 years after his own conversion? (Acts 9, 22) Paul touches on the concept of the use of Jesus' name associated with water baptism in his letter to the Corinthian church. (1 Cor 1:11-15) Furthermore, Paul tells the Ephesus disciples they must be baptized in Jesus' name and then goes on to do just that upon administering water baptism to the group. (Acts 19:1-6)

The instructions given by Peter on the Day of Pentecost, when asked what individuals MUST do after accepting that Jesus was the crucified messiah, are still required today. (Acts 2:38) He stated that the promise given was for as many as the Lord thy God shall call. One thing is for sure, God is still calling mankind.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So

The gospel is jesus death burial and ressurection,

But we have to be baptized?

That means the gospel is NOT just the death burial and resurrection.

Itr means youru gospel is the death burial and resurrection and our baptism.

May I ask why you are afraid to own up to your gospel?
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Rom 6:17-18
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Rom 10:15-17
How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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