Texas televangelist Kenneth Copeland came under fire this...
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Being blessed (whether spiritually or in the natural) often means that you have more than those around you.
I'm not saying Kenneth Copeland is using his blessings correctly. And I'm not saying you or I are always using our blessings correctly.
But in agreement with Word_Swordsman, I would suggest that berating those you feel have too much, instead of praying for them, is NOT a godly response.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I'm not saying Kenneth Copeland is using his blessings correctly. And I'm not saying you or I are always using our blessings correctly.
But in agreement with Word_Swordsman, I would suggest that berating those you feel have too much, instead of praying for them, is NOT a godly response.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
This notion that one can count their blessings by dollars and cents is spiritually very wrong.
There are many "rich" people in our church - they are rich or wealthy because this is what they deem to be important and work hard
for this achievement. Often they say, "the Lord has blessed me."
Then there are many poor or low-income peoples in our church as well. According to the prosperity gospel preached here in this thread,
such people are not blessed; not honoured and upheld by God.
They must be at fault. Not righteous enough or still have sins that deny them the blessings of wealth.
All of this is complete doctrinal rubbish. God gives to people what they pray for and desire most in their lives.
Some people desire and pray for worldly wealth as an expression of their approval by God.
Other people pray for spiritual blessings and how to serve their brothers and sisters. Praying often for healings and miracles and blessings for others in need.
The rich man's wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit.
Proverbs 18:11
There are many "rich" people in our church - they are rich or wealthy because this is what they deem to be important and work hard
for this achievement. Often they say, "the Lord has blessed me."
Then there are many poor or low-income peoples in our church as well. According to the prosperity gospel preached here in this thread,
such people are not blessed; not honoured and upheld by God.
They must be at fault. Not righteous enough or still have sins that deny them the blessings of wealth.
All of this is complete doctrinal rubbish. God gives to people what they pray for and desire most in their lives.
Some people desire and pray for worldly wealth as an expression of their approval by God.
Other people pray for spiritual blessings and how to serve their brothers and sisters. Praying often for healings and miracles and blessings for others in need.
The rich man's wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit.
Proverbs 18:11
12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—
13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Corinthians 3:
13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Corinthians 3:
"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" & "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matthew 5: 3&5).
Guys like Kenneth Copeland & Jesse Duplantis are money grubbing leaches who should sell their jets, fly commercial, and give the excess money to feed the poor. One verse comes to mind when I hear about people who get rich off Christ name; "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things" (Philippians 3:18-19).
Guys like Kenneth Copeland & Jesse Duplantis are money grubbing leaches who should sell their jets, fly commercial, and give the excess money to feed the poor. One verse comes to mind when I hear about people who get rich off Christ name; "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things" (Philippians 3:18-19).
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15 And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance
of his possessions.”
16 And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully,
17 and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
18 And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’
21 So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
Luke 12:
The prosperity gospel promotes giving to the Lord: that is give to me [celebrity minister] and you are giving to the Lord.
And not only that the Lord shall bless you on my behalf and give what you want abundantly.
I believe it was a similar gospel with its monetary practices that got Luther motivated to changes things for the better.
of his possessions.”
16 And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully,
17 and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
18 And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’
21 So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
Luke 12:
The prosperity gospel promotes giving to the Lord: that is give to me [celebrity minister] and you are giving to the Lord.
And not only that the Lord shall bless you on my behalf and give what you want abundantly.
I believe it was a similar gospel with its monetary practices that got Luther motivated to changes things for the better.
Do not be followers of men.>
65And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
Peter’s Confession of Faith, John 6: 66As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. 67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” 68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.
65And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
Peter’s Confession of Faith, John 6: 66As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. 67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” 68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.
I'm afraid your out of touch with reality as it concerns word of faith teachings and its teachers. copeland and others of his "ilk" would never have gotten where they are if it were not for people who fall for their heretical teachings and their "scams."
You have to look hard at wof teachings and peel back the onion (so to speak) as to what they really mean. For instance, God does not "absolutely GUARANTEE PHYSICAL HEALING." Or Jesus Christ did not die "spiritually" on that cross. What does dying spiritually mean? Who would qualify to die spiritually? Does Jesus? Here are a couple of more sites. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html https://bereanresearch.org/white-paper-word-of-faith/
So, please read the sites I posted and you tell me if what they teach is Biblical? Also keep in mind that truth is often mixed with error to make it sound and appear "orthodox."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You have to look hard at wof teachings and peel back the onion (so to speak) as to what they really mean. For instance, God does not "absolutely GUARANTEE PHYSICAL HEALING." Or Jesus Christ did not die "spiritually" on that cross. What does dying spiritually mean? Who would qualify to die spiritually? Does Jesus? Here are a couple of more sites. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html https://bereanresearch.org/white-paper-word-of-faith/
So, please read the sites I posted and you tell me if what they teach is Biblical? Also keep in mind that truth is often mixed with error to make it sound and appear "orthodox."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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In all honesty, I wasn't defending bad behaviors or bad doctrines by Kenneth Copeland or anyone else. I was questioning how WE handle someone's potential bad behavior when we see it. For example, which did we do first; point an accusing finger...or spend an hour praying for them? Please don't think I always choose the latter...but I do know it to be the safer option.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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I fully understand what your saying but what I don't understand is why your "assuming" he and others like him are not being prayed for? And I can assure you it's alot more than an hour. And btw, I have been exposing wof teachers and their heretical teachings since the late 1970's. You should also know that many have gone and confronted them personally just as the Bible prescribes.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I'm afraid your out of touch with reality as it concerns word of faith teachings and its teachers. copeland and others of his "ilk" would never have gotten where they are if it were not for people who fall for their heretical teachings and their "scams."
You have to look hard at wof teachings and peel back the onion (so to speak) as to what they really mean. For instance, God does not "absolutely GUARANTEE PHYSICAL HEALING." Or Jesus Christ did not die "spiritually" on that cross. What does dying spiritually mean? Who would qualify to die spiritually? Does Jesus? Here are a couple of more sites. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html https://bereanresearch.org/white-paper-word-of-faith/
So, please read the sites I posted and you tell me if what they teach is Biblical? Also keep in mind that truth is often mixed with error to make it sound and appear "orthodox."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You have to look hard at wof teachings and peel back the onion (so to speak) as to what they really mean. For instance, God does not "absolutely GUARANTEE PHYSICAL HEALING." Or Jesus Christ did not die "spiritually" on that cross. What does dying spiritually mean? Who would qualify to die spiritually? Does Jesus? Here are a couple of more sites. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html https://bereanresearch.org/white-paper-word-of-faith/
So, please read the sites I posted and you tell me if what they teach is Biblical? Also keep in mind that truth is often mixed with error to make it sound and appear "orthodox."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto