Did Muhammad really see Gabriel or was it just satan posing as an angel of light?

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mjkhan

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Here are some verses from just the second and third books of the Quran which say that Hell is reserved for Christians and Jews. There is a lot more in the rest of the Quran,:

2:135. And they say, “Be Jews or Christians, and you will be guided.” Say, “Rather, the religion of Abraham, the Monotheist; he was not an idolater.”

2:120. The Jews and the Christians will not approve of you, unless you follow their creed. Say, “Allah’s guidance is the guidance.” Should you follow their desires, after the knowledge that has come to you, you will have in Allah neither guardian nor helper.

2:140. Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs were Jews or Christians? Say, “Do you know better, or Allah?” And who does greater wrong than he who conceals a testimony he has from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what you do.

3:151. We will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they attribute to Allah partners [the Trinity] for which He revealed no sanction. Their lodging is the Fire. Miserable is the lodging of the evildoers.

2:165. Yet among the people are those who take other than Allah as equals to Him [the Trinity]. They love them as the love of Allah. But those who believe have greater love for Allah. If only the wrongdoers would realize, when they see the torment; that all power is Allah’s, and that Allah is severe in punishment.

3:18. Allah bears witness that there is no god but He, as do the angels, and those endowed with knowledge—upholding justice. There is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise.

3:19. Religion with Allah is Islam. Those to whom the Scripture was given differed only after knowledge came to them, out of envy among themselves. Whoever rejects the signs of Allah—Allah is quick to take account.

3:85. Whoever seeks other than Islam as a religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.

3:102. O you who believe! Revere Allah with due reverence, and do not die except as Muslims.

3: 91. As for those who disbelieve and die disbelievers, even the earth full of gold would not be accepted from any of them, were he to offer it for ransom. These will have a painful torment, and will have no saviors.

3:10. As for those who disbelieve, neither their wealth nor their children will avail them anything against Allah. These will be fuel for the Fire.

3:12. Say to those who disbelieve, “You will be defeated, and rounded up into Hell—an awful resting-place.”

3:116. As for those who disbelieve, neither their possessions nor their children will avail them anything against Allah. These are the inhabitants of the Fire, abiding therein forever.

3:176. And do not be saddened by those who rush into disbelief. They will not harm Allah in the least. Allah desires to give them no share in the Hereafter. A terrible torment awaits them.

2: 126. When Abraham said, “O My Lord, make this a peaceful land, and provide its people with fruits—whoever of them believes in Allah and the Last Day.” He [Allah] said, And whoever disbelieves, I will give him a little enjoyment, then I will consign him to the punishment of the Fire; how miserable the destiny!”

2: 206. And when he is told, “Beware of Allah,” his pride leads him to more sin. Hell is enough for him—a dreadful abode.

3:28. Believers are not to take disbelievers for friends instead of believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah, unless it is to protect your own selves against them. Allah warns you to beware of Him. To Allah is the destiny.
ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION THAT IS RELIGION OF INCLUSION,WE BELIEVE IN ALL PROPHETS FROM ADAM TO MUHAMMAD.A MUSLIM IS NOT A MUSLIM IF HE DOESN'T BELEIVE IN MISSION AND MESSAGE OF JESUS,HIS ALL MIRACLES INCLUDING VIRGIN BIRTH WHICH MANY MODERN AY CHRISTIANS DON'T BELEIVE.PLEASE TALK WITH REASONING AND PUT FACTS AND TRUTH ABOVE EMOTIONALISM.PLEASE READ FULL QURAN INSTEAD OF JUST PICKING THESE ABOVE VERSES FROM SOME ANTI ISLAM SITE.THANK YOU
 

mjkhan

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Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.

Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has instructed them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

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Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Sahih Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking the property of others as his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered captives. He inspired his followers to battle when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on the very day their husbands and family members were slaughtered. source
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THE HATRED AGAINST ISLAM AND MUSLIMS IS STRONGER THAN YOUR LOVE FOR TRUTH AND FAIRNESS.WHEN READING ABOUT ANY FAITH ONE SHOULD READ BOOKS AND ARTICLES WRITTEN BY ITS SCHOLARS.READING THE MATERIAL WRITTEN BY OPPONENETS MAY MAKE YOU HAPPY MOMENTARILY BUT WILL NOT LET YOU STAND IF THE OTHER PARTY STARTS TO REPLY.ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION THAT MAKES IT AN ARTICLE OF FAITH FOR ITS ADHERENTS TO BOTH LOVE AND RESPECT JESUS.THERE IS WHOLE CHAPTER ON MARY IN QURAN.,BY HER NAME.IF BOOK WAS BY MUHAMMAD HE COULD HAVE WRITTEN A CHAPTER ON EITHER HIS WIFE OR DAUGHTER OR MOTHER.THINK IMPARTIALLY PLEASE.MUSLIMS LOVE AND RESPECT JESUS AND JEWS CALL HIM BASTARD AND HIS MOTHER WHORE AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLVE TO SPEAK AGAINST THEIR BEHAVIOR BUT MUSLIMS ARE EASY TARGET BECAUSE THIS HATE FOR THE SAKE OF HATE.MAY GOD GUIDE YOU AND ME IN BEING TOLERANT AND IMPARTIAL.,IN SEARCH FOR TRUTH
 

mjkhan

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As i had written earlier that from muslim i became atheist and then went back to Islam after studying christianity, and Hinduism and sure reading Islam in detail.But I respect an intelligent (knowledge increasing )discussion based on facts and reasoning n logic.
 

Magenta

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As i had written earlier that from muslim i became atheist and then went back to Islam after studying christianity, and Hinduism and sure reading Islam in detail.But I respect an intelligent (knowledge increasing )discussion based on facts and reasoning n logic.
The fact is that Mohammed was an adulterous war mongering pedophile. Why would you choose to follow him over Jesus Christ?
 

Magenta

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ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION THAT MAKES IT AN ARTICLE OF FAITH FOR ITS ADHERENTS TO BOTH LOVE AND RESPECT JESUS.
How do you respect Jesus by denying Who He is?
 

Magenta

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WHEN READING ABOUT ANY FAITH ONE SHOULD READ BOOKS AND ARTICLES WRITTEN BY ITS SCHOLARS.
Islamic scholars and proponents practice taqiyya. It is mandated for you to do so also.
 

Magenta

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THERE IS WHOLE CHAPTER ON MARY IN QURAN.,BY HER NAME.
So what, and why? Mary was simply a vessel. Mariology is deeply disturbing.

Jesus openly rebuked the woman who wanted to bestow blessings on Mary.
 

mjkhan

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The fact is that Mohammed was an adulterous war mongering pedophile. Why would you choose to follow him over Jesus Christ?
Two points I see in your comment,one Muhammad was and adulterous,warmongering pedophile (which is all wrong he was neither)
Second why I choose him above Jesus christ.I understand that God sent prophets after prophets to diferent people in different times(as doctor makes house call to sick person,the prophets were sent to communities which had deviated(as Jesus himself said about Jews,that I came for none but the jews and he ran into proble when he started to correct them.BTW lot is written on Jesus and his mission and ministry in Quran.But all the prophets from Adam until Muhammad came only for either one people or one place in one time.As Jesus himself said and Bible says but Prophet Muhammad came for whole mankind and for all times and places.He said and QUran says.
And Yes I thank you for your question style comment because it is only by sincere questioning we learn about each others' faith and come closer to each other.Please feel free and ask me more if you like.
 

Magenta

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MUSLIMS LOVE AND RESPECT JESUS AND JEWS CALL HIM BASTARD AND HIS MOTHER WHORE AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLVE TO SPEAK AGAINST THEIR BEHAVIOR BUT MUSLIMS ARE EASY TARGET BECAUSE THIS HATE FOR THE SAKE OF HATE.
That is where you are mistaken. It is not a love of hate as you erroneously claim, but a love for Truth. His name is Jesus Christ. You claim to revere Him yet you have chosen to follow Mohammed instead.
 

mjkhan

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So what, and why? Mary was simply a vessel. Mariology is deeply disturbing.

Jesus openly rebuked the woman who wanted to bestow blessings on Mary.
Jesus rebuked woman because he didin't want people to lift humans like Mary to status of God but we can't deny she was a pious woman and mother of Jesus.Quran knew she was rebuked as a sexually corrupt woman,because Jews called her whoreand today modern christians even don't beleive in virgin birth but every muslim believes in virgin birth given to Jesus by Mary.SO it could be deeply disturbing due to some angle that you see but not for Muslims who are strictly monotheists,neither accept Muhammad as God nor Jesus as God.
 

mjkhan

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That is where you are mistaken. It is not a love of hate as you erroneously claim, but a love for Truth. His name is Jesus Christ. You claim to revere Him yet you have chosen to follow Mohammed instead.
We not only love Jesus but also respect him.When I say that I mean we follow what jesus said in "John 14:15.If ye love me, keep my commandments "If your mom says look come home not latter than 9 daily and you say ma I lvoe you and still come much latter than that.That could be because you only love her which eventually due to lack of respect became lip service.Muslims both love nad respect Jesus and follow what he said and taught.He never said I am God.He never said worship me.He alwasy said I came only for jews and none else.He never met Paul,yet pauls is able to introudce his contradictions in Bible.Muslims don' approve that.Paul can't e above Jesus.These are few examples.of what I mean that we love him and respect him.He said keep commandments,I came for not change the law(i.e.OT)and we follow it.Don't eat pork and we don't .Circumcise men and ours are.etc,etc.
 

mjkhan

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Islamic scholars and proponents practice taqiyya. It is mandated for you to do so also.
Taqiya is enial of religious belief or practice in face of persecution.ANd yes see christianity spread with sword,like crusade,inquest,slavery,colonialsisation,holocauset,wars for profit.In such times people may struggle to save life,it happened jews as well who in face of holocaust either changed themselves superficially to save their skin.Same is this that all this tryanny is not condemned by those who did it.
 

mjkhan

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How do you respect Jesus by denying Who He is?
we accept and acknolwedge Jesus as he was ,what he himself said not what others including his opponents like Pual interpreted or corrupted his message.Is that bad?
 

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but every muslim believes in virgin birth given to Jesus by Mary
How could you believe that someone born of a virgin is just a prophet? That doesn't even make sense.
 

mjkhan

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How could you believe that someone born of a virgin is just a prophet? That doesn't even make sense.
As Jesus himself said I can do nothing on my own and then to jews,Your God and mine is one God.Quran writes in detail.Jesus had miracles ,virgin birth was one of them.That doesn't make him God.David and solomon had more miracles they didn't claim to be God.Moses had mroe miracles he didn't claim to be God.Yes Jesus came to Jews and God knew these people will not accept his authrotiy so God gave Jesus miracles suitable for his time.
 

mjkhan

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As Jesus himself said I can do nothing on my own and then to jews,Your God and mine is one God.Quran writes in detail.Jesus had miracles ,virgin birth was one of them.That doesn't make him God.David and solomon had more miracles they didn't claim to be God.Moses had mroe miracles he didn't claim to be God.Yes Jesus came to Jews and God knew these people will not accept his authrotiy so God gave Jesus miracles suitable for his time.
My QUestion still remains show me where Jesus himself said clearly "I am GOd or worship me".SHow me where is the gospel according to Jesus,not the one written by 4 anonymous writers who we don't even know who were.HOw can Paul who never met Jesus was able to enter his teachings contradictory to Jesus in his teachings and christians instead of resenting it say "Haleluya"It is sad for us Muslims to see how Jesus is being belittled.
 

mjkhan

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How do you respect Jesus by denying Who He is?
we respect jesus by accepting who he was and following him.
He never said I am GOD.He never said worship me.HIs book is nowhere to be found.Present BIble has many errors.read Jeremiah 8:8 if you don't beleive me.He came only for jews and said so.He himself clearly told in advance that he he will not die when he was asked to show miracle and he said just like jonas was 3 days and 3 nights..........
SO we beleive in everything he said.It is part of Quran teachings.Quran has Jesus named mentioned more than prophet Muhamamd name mentioned in it.
 

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PLEASE READ FULL QURAN INSTEAD OF JUST PICKING THESE ABOVE VERSES FROM SOME ANTI ISLAM SITE.
No I did not go to any Anti-Islam site.

I went directly to the Quran on line at this site: https://www.clearquran.com/001.html

I do not dispute what you have stated since that too in in the Quran. But that does not cancel the fact that Quran rejects the Christian doctrines of the Trinity and the Deity of Christ (called "the son of Mary" but not the Son of God), as well as His atoning work on the cross. Indeed many Muslims are now attacking and desecrating the cross as a recent published article has disclosed. And pushing for Sharia law in all the Western countries.

Furthermore, as those quotations I have given show, Christians and Muslims are "unbelievers" (disbelievers of Islam) -- KAFIRS OR KUFFARS or INFIDELS -- therefore destined for Hell. There is no getting around this.

What Islamist extremists and Wahhabists are doing is following the Quran and slaughtering Christians and Jews (as well as all Westerners). And they call the moderate Musims "apostates" and also kill them. So it is up to Muslims to either (a) go totally extreme and be deported from the West or (b) deal effectively with these evil men who are terrorizing the whole world on the basis of their understanding of the Quran.

The mosques which have been planted in the West are being used by rabid Muslim clerics (imams) to sow hatred for unbelievers and encourage their destruction. What are you going to do about that?