also John 8:47 belongs in this thread
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
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also John 8:47 belongs in this thread
Don't concern yourself with questions above your pay grade. Just sow the seed of the Gospel.
I'm not an Evangelist per se, I have a tendency to ask questions about things I don't know instead of assuming. Or I ask questions sometimes as a method of teaching, to make people think. I honestly would like to know where others stand on the issue, maybe someone has a perspective I haven't considered. I hope you don't mind.
#2 and #3 I agree with .
The we are the Christians that have no faith needed to beleive God, prior to Him first giving it (His faith) to us. Without it no man could seek after God who has no form so that we could have some understanding .He must do the first work in all things to include us believing Him .
The word it as it is written represents the unseen faith of God.
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that "understandeth", there is none that "seeketh" after God.Romans3:10-11
Faith is trusting God..
So faith is created in an individuel when He trusts in the leading and truth of the LORD..
I cannot see how any faith can be created before one has been shown the Word of God..
How can a person trust in God when they have never heard of God or known about God??
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No one heard the word before they were drawn, So where they gods then?also John 8:47 belongs in this thread
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
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This is why I never respond to this guy, He has not made it to my prayer bin, (yet) But his arrogance is too much to even respond to
Becoming sheep requires a new birth. All are drawn but many turn back preferring to remain in the darkness of sin. John 3:19-20.
Faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1 and Paul tells us in Romans 10:17 what is the source of faith. Faith is affirmed as we learn to trust God in His word. The more we trust Him the more He blesses us.
For the cause of Christ
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You just made my point
Many prefer (choice) to remain in sin, thus romans 1 is confirmed.
Thats means the few chose to not turn back, and actually were led by Christ to himself.
I believe that the word”faith”for man would be 5 sense knowledge and If man Is prominently presented the WORD of GOD and understand It then he will repent truly and then GOD will give him true faith ,the faith of JESUS.
So in your scenario, it would seem like the more intelligent ones would have an advantage over the others. Also, what do you mean by '5 sense knowledge'? Is it that which comes through hearing AND touch, sight, taste and smell?
Well, He says it the other way around.
That they do not believe, because they are not His sheep, and that they do not hear Him because they are not of Him.
In another place He says something else that relates, i think:
Luke 10:22
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and [the one] to whom the Son wills to reveal [Him.]
that He is the one who chooses to reveal. and of course He said to the disciples explicitly, that they did not choose Him but He is the one who chose them.
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But they ALL did not believe for years.
So something is going on here.
And I do not think it is fatalism
Oof.... some tough questions in this thread...
I find this very interesting and useful. for witnessing.. I'll keep checking in
God bless all of you and I hope this thread stays nice and calm...
I find this very interesting and useful. for witnessing.. I'll keep checking in
God bless all of you and I hope this thread stays nice and calm...
If the Gospel of CHRIST Is presented and explained well enough that even a person with limited capacity could be Impacted,heart melted In true repentance.
Romans 1:19-21
King James version
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
So as long as a person can explain the gospel simply and clearly a person will believe?
I'm not too sure about that, because doesn't there need to be a conviction of one's sin to see their need for a Savior in the first place, and doesn't the Holy Spirit need to open their eyes to Jesus being truly the Son of God and not just some famous guy in history?
And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
(Joh 16:8-9)
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
(Mat 16:17)
First off, faith as a stand alone word does not suffice. It must be faith in God to be acknowledged. So #1 points only to general faith, not in God. 2 and 3 both apply because predestination and choice both are real. We just don't know how they fit together.
First, to answer how depraved we are before God's call is purely speculative and best not to pursue. We are all fairly evil, or at least capable of it. I don't believe anyone can really come to God unless the Father calls him. Those trying to serve God strictly for fear of hellfire are probably not going to be perfected. 1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
Next, we must define what it means to be God Almighty before we can determine if faith can be resisted. If God is truly God, and knows and can control everything then He must be irresistible. God reigns supreme!
Who would not serve Him that can control everything. We belong to Him and He wants what is best for us spiritually. We must have tribulation to overcome to build spiritual character. That is why He promises us trouble in this world, to perfect us.
John 16:33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."