The Mahdi is the Antichrist

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ToastAndTea

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This is an interesting link which goes into great detail into who the man of lawlessness might be. For those interested in our eschatology, it might be of help to you. I would encourage everyone to watch it.
 
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I've also heard this theory that proposes Maitreya (the one to come in Buddhist eschatology) will be the Antichrist.
 

Lanolin

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I thought anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus is an antichrist. Not just people who mistakenly think they are the Christ.

Hmm i would ask them...so you wanna save the world huh? How? Can you top what Jesus did? Who died and made you God?
 

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I thought anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus is an antichrist. Not just people who mistakenly think they are the Christ.
Well you are mistaken. Those who do not believe are simply unbelievers. And those who oppose the doctrine of Christ are "antichrists".

But the Antichrist presents himself as the true Christ while claiming that Jesus Christ is not the true Christ. He is a man energized by Satan and probably possessed by Satan.

Since the Muslim idea of the Mahdi is a close parallel to the biblical Antichrist, it is entirely possible that the same Man of Sin will present himself as the Mahdi.
 
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I agree with the OP based upon study........and MANY flat disregard what Daniel 10, 11 have to say while stating for a fact it is some Roman King........and the two phrases which are big clues in my mind that are swept over point to him coming out of ISLAM........

a. Has no respect unto the GOD of his fathers <---capital G points to the one true GOD
b. Scrutinizes, recognizes and has respect unto a god his fathers did not know <----Small g indicates a false god they did not know

Abraham had two children

Ishmael---->12 tribes/Nations -->Arabs---->MUSLIMS/ISLAM
Isaac ----> 12 Tribes/JEWS and identified with the GOD of heaven

Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac ALL knew the one true GOD as GOD blessed ALL THREE

A MUSLIM would qualify for BOTH A and B above..........The GOD of his FATHERS <----ABRAHAM, ISHMAEL

NOT to mention that DANIEL plays out the history of ALEXANDER the GREAT, the DIVISION of his KINGDOM by his 4 generals, and the wars between the KINGS of the NORTH and KINGS of the SOUTH with the BEAST coming out of the area conquered by the KINGS of the NORTH

BUT HEY.....lets just peddle he comes from ROME........
 
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I thought anyone who doesnt believe in Jesus is an antichrist. Not just people who mistakenly think they are the Christ.

Hmm i would ask them...so you wanna save the world huh? How? Can you top what Jesus did? Who died and made you God?
Amen No one can top.

A good example is with Peter acting as a antichrist in Mathew 16.

A antichrist a is any person seen that says you must get under their authority and believe what they say. Rather than believing Christ who lives in us , The man of sin has been revealed they went out from us because they had another mediator .Themselves as anti-christ's many.
 
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I agree with the OP based upon study........and MANY flat disregard what Daniel 10, 11 have to say while stating for a fact it is some Roman King........and the two phrases which are big clues in my mind that are swept over point to him coming out of ISLAM........

a. Has no respect unto the GOD of his fathers <---capital G points to the one true GOD
b. Scrutinizes, recognizes and has respect unto a god his fathers did not know <----Small g indicates a false god they did not know

Abraham had two children

Ishmael---->12 tribes/Nations -->Arabs---->MUSLIMS/ISLAM
Isaac ----> 12 Tribes/JEWS and identified with the GOD of heaven

Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac ALL knew the one true GOD as GOD blessed ALL THREE

A MUSLIM would qualify for BOTH A and B above..........The GOD of his FATHERS <----ABRAHAM, ISHMAEL

NOT to mention that DANIEL plays out the history of ALEXANDER the GREAT, the DIVISION of his KINGDOM by his 4 generals, and the wars between the KINGS of the NORTH and KINGS of the SOUTH with the BEAST coming out of the area conquered by the KINGS of the NORTH

BUT HEY.....lets just peddle he comes from ROME........
That were the faithless Muslims as well as faithless Israel as unbelievers made their mistake. They wrestled against flesh and blood hoping they could know him after what the eyes see. We simply do not know God after the flesh .Salvation does not come by the seeds of Abraham. But rater the faith of Christ the incorruptible seed not seen that worked in Abraham to both will and do the good pleasure of God. Its never about the flesh of any nation.
 
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That were the faithless Muslims as well as faithless Israel as unbelievers made their mistake. They wrestled against flesh and blood hoping they could know him after what the eyes see. We simply do not know God after the flesh .Salvation does not come by the seeds of Abraham. But rater the faith of Christ the incorruptible seed not seen that worked in Abraham to both will and do the good pleasure of God. Its never about the flesh of any nation.
That has nothing to do with what I said......get on track.....serious......rambling off in left field there man
 

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Well you are mistaken. Those who do not believe are simply unbelievers. And those who oppose the doctrine of Christ are "antichrists".

But the Antichrist presents himself as the true Christ while claiming that Jesus Christ is not the true Christ. He is a man energized by Satan and probably possessed by Satan.

Since the Muslim idea of the Mahdi is a close parallel to the biblical Antichrist, it is entirely possible that the same Man of Sin will present himself as the Mahdi.


what Lanolin said is Biblical; it comes from here:

Little children, it is the last time, and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now there are many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last time.
(1 John 2:18 GNV)
Who is a liar, but he that denieth that Jesus is that Christ? the same is that Antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son.
(1 John 2:22 GNV)
 

Nehemiah6

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what Lanolin said is Biblical; it comes from here: Little children, it is the last time, and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now there are many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last time. (1 John 2:18 GNV) Who is a liar, but he that denieth that Jesus is that Christ? the same is that Antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22 GNV)
Well, kindly read that again carefully.

1. Antichrists are those who DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. Read the second epistle of John. They deny the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity. Indeed "the doctrine of Christ" (which is wider than those two doctrines). Islam and the Quran are prime examples.

2. Unbelievers are those who simply do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, do not believe the Gospel, do not respond to the Gospel, and do not obey the Gospel.

BIG DIFFERENCE
 
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Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The Bible plainly states that the 10 horns come from the 4th beast, the Roman Empire, and the little horn, antichrist, comes from the 10 horns who come from the Roman Empire.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Also the God that the antichrist honors is not a personal God, but he honors the God of forces, or the power of nature, evolution, as his higher power, which he believes people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

There is no Allah with the antichrist, and the Bible says he will not regard any god, and will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped.

The Bible plainly states that the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts the world down, and the new age movement is the future for this world, which is a stepping stone to the antichrist.

The Roman Empire has their own thing going on, the European nations, America, Canada, and any other Caucasian established nation, and they have the vast amount of nuclear weapons, and modern day weapons.

And Allah is a false god so there is no power there to help Islam, so how are they going to take control with all the power of the Caucasian established nations that decided to come together as a power base, and they have their own plan going on to establish the new age movement to produce the antichrist, which the Bible plainly states that the antichrist will come from the Roman Empire.

Islam is not going to do anything, and the Pope is playing them, and deceiving them, for he wants all religions to come together, and nations to come together, and the religion of Islam, and the Arab nations are the most stubborn, so he is giving them special treatment, but the Pope cares nothing about fundamental Islam.

Also the antichrist believes in no personal God, and evolution, and wants to take down fundamental Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

So the antichrist is against Islam.

So while people may point out that Islam seems to be getting power in places like Europe it is only because they are letting them for a reason that fits their agenda.

For how is Islam going to get any power in Europe unless they allow them to do that, for what will they do let them control the whole nation, for of course they would not do that.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change, and it is all controlled by them, and allowing Islam to have whatever power they get to create a certain attitude of people towards them.

For they want to attack Islam in the future, so they want the world to fear them, hate them, think they are dangerous to the world, so the world one day will fight against them, and take down their power.

That is why they point out terrorist activities that they do, or supposedly they do, and America fighting against them, to show the world they cannot be trusted, even setting them up concerning some things.

And by allowing Islam to have some kind of control, and power in Europe as they say, it is so the Europeans will hate them, fear them, and look at them as pushing for power in their nation, and they are dangerous only caring about themselves.

That way they can create the necessary attitude among people of the world, and Europe, with the hopes that one day the world will fight against them, and take them down.

It is all a plan, and Islam is going to do anything, and have any power in Europe, unless they allow them to do so, but it is all for a reason so they can get people to hate them.

And they do not care for the world will soon come together as one to try to establish peace, so they are not looking at it as their nation only, for the new age movement is what they want, and for all nations to come together in which they know fundamental Islam will rebel against it eventually, and then they can take them down with the power of the world.

The nations will come together, but the people of the Arab nations will rebel for they will say it is an insult to Allah, and they are hindering them from spreading their religion.

The 10 horn kingdom is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and 3 of those sections will cover the Arab nations, and the little horn, antichrist, will pluck up those 3 horns by the roots, which means they are devastated where there is no more power, or growth, and the 6th trumpet describes nuclear weapons as to why they are plucked up by the roots.

After the 6th trumpet the world then accepts the antichrist as the solution to have peace on earth, for the 10 horn kingdom failed at providing peace on earth.

Islam Smislam, for they are going down before the antichrist claims to be God, and the Pope is playing them, deceiving them, and so is Europe, and they care nothing about Islam, and want the world to take them down in the future for their beliefs are contrary to what they have going on for the world.

Also the 7 heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Roman Empire, 10 horn kingdom that comes from the Roman Empire that shall continue a short space, 3 and one half years, and the antihrist is the 8th king, which is of the 7 for the devil influenced those kingdoms, that shall continue for 3 and one half years.

The head with the deadly wound is the 10 horn kingdom, the 7th head, that failed at obtaining peace on earth, and one third of the world perished by the war between Islam and the world mainly in the Arab nations, and the world lost hope for there to be peace on earth, and was in despair.

But the beast spoke like no other man spoke understanding dark sentences, and claimed to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtaining power, evolved, and the false prophet does miracles in the sight of people to convince them the beast did receive power, and shared this power with the false prophet, and will share this power with all who follow him.

And the beast gave them hope, and a bright future, and the promise of peace on earth, and the deadly wound of the 7th head, kingdom that failed, was healed, and the world said, who is like unto the beast, and who can make war with him, believing he has the power to establish his kingdom, and no foe can stop him, for flesh cannot contend with a man that has the power of nature to go against them, and is invincible.
 

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Unbelievers are those who simply do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, do not believe the Gospel, do not respond to the Gospel, and do not obey the Gospel.
you wouldn't call that denying Him?

would you call denying that He is, 'belief'?
 
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That has nothing to do with what I said......get on track.....serious......rambling off in left field there man
Where's the ball in right field?

Sure it does you mentioned the flesh of Abraham as if it had something to do with salvation. Islam and Israel two pagan nations trying to kill each other off. That's not the gospel

We as believers as did some of them as born again believers do not wrestle against flesh and blood any more than they did. We can having been given a new heart see beyond that to our final hope as the living hope we walk after. The Holy Spirit will come like a thief in the night on the last day.. There will be wars and rumors of war right up till the last day. The reformation has come the use of Jew to represent mankind in shadows and types had come to end for that parable. We live in a restored form of government before there were Kings as fleshly representative in Israel when God temporally gave them over to do that which they should of never to begin with ..

it would seem you used Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac to represent Israel. While a Muslim would qualify for BOTH A and B . They both stand in the same place in respect to Israel flesh it would qualify for BOTH A and B ..it is not different than our flesh the flesh of a gentile.

Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac ALL knew the one true GOD as GOD blessed ALL THREE

A MUSLIM would qualify for BOTH A and B above..........The GOD of his FATHERS <----ABRAHAM, ISHMAEL
 
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I agree with the OP based upon study........and MANY flat disregard what Daniel 10, 11 have to say while stating for a fact it is some Roman King........and the two phrases which are big clues in my mind that are swept over point to him coming out of ISLAM........

a. Has no respect unto the GOD of his fathers <---capital G points to the one true GOD
b. Scrutinizes, recognizes and has respect unto a god his fathers did not know <----Small g indicates a false god they did not know

Abraham had two children

Ishmael---->12 tribes/Nations -->Arabs---->MUSLIMS/ISLAM
Isaac ----> 12 Tribes/JEWS and identified with the GOD of heaven

Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac ALL knew the one true GOD as GOD blessed ALL THREE

A MUSLIM would qualify for BOTH A and B above..........The GOD of his FATHERS <----ABRAHAM, ISHMAEL

NOT to mention that DANIEL plays out the history of ALEXANDER the GREAT, the DIVISION of his KINGDOM by his 4 generals, and the wars between the KINGS of the NORTH and KINGS of the SOUTH with the BEAST coming out of the area conquered by the KINGS of the NORTH

BUT HEY.....lets just peddle he comes from ROME........
Maybe we want to look at the bible and not just make stuff up

Dan 2 and 7 states that rome will be in power when christ returns, To say otherwise is to ignore Gabriel himself
 
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Where's the ball in right field?

Sure it does you mentioned the flesh of Abraham as if it had something to do with salvation. Islam and Israel two pagan nations trying to kill each other off. That's not the gospel

We as believers as did some of them as born again believers do not wrestle against flesh and blood any more than they did. We can having been given a new heart see beyond that to our final hope as the living hope we walk after. The Holy Spirit will come like a thief in the night on the last day.. There will be wars and rumors of war right up till the last day. The reformation has come the use of Jew to represent mankind in shadows and types had come to end for that parable. We live in a restored form of government before there were Kings as fleshly representative in Israel when God temporally gave them over to do that which they should of never to begin with ..

it would seem you used Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac to represent Israel. While a Muslim would qualify for BOTH A and B . They both stand in the same place in respect to Israel flesh it would qualify for BOTH A and B ..it is not different than our flesh the flesh of a gentile.
You need to learn to read with understanding.....I mentioned nothing of the flesh of Abraham "as if it had something to do with salvation" nor did I say anything about Israel and Islam and the gospel

Lay off the weed pal or go to bed and get some sleep!! and the bolded...hahah wow man
 
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Maybe we want to look at the bible and not just make stuff up

Dan 2 and 7 states that rome will be in power when christ returns, To say otherwise is to ignore Gabriel himself
Your first part was idiotic dude....and for you to say that almost made me laugh......you know better........geesh
 
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The Bible plainly states that the 10 horns come from the 4th beast, the Roman Empire, and the little horn, antichrist, comes from the 10 horns who come from the Roman Empire.
The Bible defines a anti-christ (singular) as a spirit of lies. (Ye shalt not die) Another mediator teacher described as one who comforts and brings to the minds the things he has taught those who do believe his lies. The counterfeiter. Therefore making the Holy Spirit of our Father in heaven not seen without effect.... he works in men called anti-christs, many a disciples or followers

The spirit of the antichrist (Satan) worked in Peter as Peter denied Christ as the Son of man in unbelief (no faith) Denying Him again and again ,Showing he was forgiven in Mathew 16 of blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus . When Jesus departed out of sight never to return that possibility to be forgiven had vanished A person must believe the person who is unseen before they can have fellowship together.

The antichrist picture will not get any clearer than the demonstration of the spirit of the antichrist (Satan) working to try and snatch the spiritual seed ( Christ) and give it to Peter.. Rome's choice . Not the Christian's none seen choice of Him who works in us, with us the choice of faith.

Peter is used as the poster boy as "the man of sin". Many antichrists were there as there are today . The father of lies would have men look for one as if we walked by sight. .They went out from the us the bible defines as us .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. mathew16:22-23
 
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You need to learn to read with understanding.....I mentioned nothing of the flesh of Abraham "as if it had something to do with salvation" nor did I say anything about Israel and Islam and the gospel

Lay off the weed pal or go to bed and get some sleep!! and the bolded...hahah wow man
You said something about one group having A and B, But not the other ?

The kingdom does not come by observation. Flesh wrestles against flesh .
 
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Well, kindly read that again carefully.

1. Antichrists are those who DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. Read the second epistle of John. They deny the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity. Indeed "the doctrine of Christ" (which is wider than those two doctrines). Islam and the Quran are prime examples.

2. Unbelievers are those who simply do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, do not believe the Gospel, do not respond to the Gospel, and do not obey the Gospel.

BIG DIFFERENCE
Yes big difference

Unbeliever are those who have been deceived not to believe God, as antichrists. Antichrist is another mediator (themselves under the wisdom and knowledge god of this world. ) Also call a Daysman in Job 9.

One thing that has been drawing my attention are the words the Father and the Son. Like you said they represent the work of one God .
But the antichrists do make the faith that alone comes from hearing God to no effect. this was because they were worshipping there fathers flesh as if the were our inviable father in heaven . Something Jesus called..... to think not. Not worshipping the God of the fathers .But again the fathers as gods in the likeness of men

Can't have one (father) without the other (Son) It was a mutual work of both the Father and Son working together in perfect harmony and submission to one another ,(Isaiah 53) By it we have the peace of God that does surpass our limited understanding.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 

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you wouldn't call that denying Him?

would you call denying that He is, 'belief'?
Yea I dont see the difference. You either believe or you dont, how can you half believe. Either Jesus is the Christ, or he isnt. And if a person thinks he isnt, then that person is denying Jesus is the Christ. Simple really.