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I know this, if you read my last post to EG you will see I highlighted that the doctrine is not taught directly but is rather understood after piecing together bits throughout the Bible, he disagreed with me and stated "Again, this is your view, Not based on fact", since he disagreed with me I am now asking for proof since there clearly IS evidence I don't know about.
Did you forget to read the last chapter of Matthew? These are the words of Christ, and there can be no higher authority. The passage is also INDISPUTABLY genuine Scripture.
MATTHEW 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
We know from other Scriptures that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Here Jesus -- who is God, with all authority and power in Heaven and on earth -- teaches us that the Godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I believe you might want to tender an apology to the others with whom you have been quibbling.
MATTHEW 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
We know from other Scriptures that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Here Jesus -- who is God, with all authority and power in Heaven and on earth -- teaches us that the Godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I believe you might want to tender an apology to the others with whom you have been quibbling.
You probably already know about these, but wont believe them.
- The Father is called God (John 6:27, Ephesians 4:6).
- The Son is called God (Hebrews 1:8. He is also called ‘I am’ in John 8:58 cf. Ex. 3:14
- The Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3–4), and is personal (Acts 13:2).
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For someone who calls themselves a reverend. You sure do not act like one.
And as for the post where it was mentione? Thats easy. Post 154 You skimmed right over it.
And I am still waiting for you to answer Penn Ed’s post. I even reposted it for you.. Nothing but silence. But that is normal around here.
And as for the post where it was mentione? Thats easy. Post 154 You skimmed right over it.
And I am still waiting for you to answer Penn Ed’s post. I even reposted it for you.. Nothing but silence. But that is normal around here.
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Yet they are not the same person.
Jesus, as man When he came up out of the water, Had the holy spirit come upon him like a dove, while the father (who was not him) said this is my son of whom I am well pleased.
Jesus, Said he woud pray to the father (not him) that the father may send the holy spirit (not the son or the father)
And you have already seen the OT passages which does the same, Only you apply it to a prophet
Jesus, as man When he came up out of the water, Had the holy spirit come upon him like a dove, while the father (who was not him) said this is my son of whom I am well pleased.
Jesus, Said he woud pray to the father (not him) that the father may send the holy spirit (not the son or the father)
And you have already seen the OT passages which does the same, Only you apply it to a prophet
I think you're mistaking me for someone else, I've never called myself a reverend.
Where in post 154 did you explain to me using the scriptures where the "one God" refers to unity? I'm still not getting, help a brother out.
Moreover you've been saying "People have been showing you all day" in regards to my question about who the "one God" is according to 1 Cor 8, are "people who have been showing [me] all day" only you, when it wasn't even an answer to my question????
I wasn't aware I missed a post, what is the post number an I'll answer it.
Where in post 154 did you explain to me using the scriptures where the "one God" refers to unity? I'm still not getting, help a brother out.
Moreover you've been saying "People have been showing you all day" in regards to my question about who the "one God" is according to 1 Cor 8, are "people who have been showing [me] all day" only you, when it wasn't even an answer to my question????
I wasn't aware I missed a post, what is the post number an I'll answer it.
Where in the above did I say I showed anything???? Do you even know what you're writing?? I made a statement, "the Trinity is not explicitly taught in scripture but rather has to be pieced together by reading all scripture", you denied this so I asked for evidence, no your claiming I didn't show anything! You're damn right I didn't, I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that the Trinity is explicitly taught.
And again the way you're speaking about me I believe you have me mixed up with someone else. I have never spoken on this thread until today (25th June) and I've only been conversing with you mostly about Isaiah 48:16 and nothing else. I'm trying to move onto 1 Cor 8:4-6 but you seemed too scared to tackle the issues.
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I did, I thought you were the origionator of the OP. Has he been back?
Now your being dishonest, I spoke of the particular question I asked, which you claimed no one asked you. Your hurting yourself dude. And I will not stand for this nonsense to much longer.
Lol. Not only are you trying to be deceptive, But your ignoring half of the posts here. Are you ever going to answer penn eds pos?
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Now your being dishonest, I spoke of the particular question I asked, which you claimed no one asked you. Your hurting yourself dude. And I will not stand for this nonsense to much longer.
Lol. Not only are you trying to be deceptive, But your ignoring half of the posts here. Are you ever going to answer penn eds pos?
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I will wait until you answer penn eds post. Then I will discontinue our conversation. I refuse to converse with an arrogant know it all who denies things,
Once again, I have proved my point as have many others. BJust because you do not agree, does not mean we have not. And also. Just so you know, I am about to place you on report. I do not know who you think you are.
Once again, I have proved my point as have many others. BJust because you do not agree, does not mean we have not. And also. Just so you know, I am about to place you on report. I do not know who you think you are.
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Report me, for what, wanting an answer?
Look at things from my position, at least 5 or 6 post ago I asked you a question in regards to 1 Cor 8:4-6, you answer in short was "One, as in united. We have the same thing happen all over the world. Even in scripture. The church is one, yet many..", I then asked for scriptural evidence and in your next post you thinking I was the OP stated "You have been given evidence all day. By many people.". Since your statement of "You have been given evidence all day. By many people" was not true since I was not the OP I kept rightly asking for an answer -since I was not the OP and you had not given me one- which in turn led you to keep saying "everyone has given you an answer", this has gone back and forth now until you've come to a realization that I was indeed not the OP. NOW you're saying you intend to report me? Why would you do that when it was your mistake that has led to this frustration.
You've been wrongly calling me out for three or four post now and when you realized instead of apologizing you threaten me by saying you'll report me, what have I done but rightly wanted an asnwer to a question you have not given despite you thinking you have
Look at things from my position, at least 5 or 6 post ago I asked you a question in regards to 1 Cor 8:4-6, you answer in short was "One, as in united. We have the same thing happen all over the world. Even in scripture. The church is one, yet many..", I then asked for scriptural evidence and in your next post you thinking I was the OP stated "You have been given evidence all day. By many people.". Since your statement of "You have been given evidence all day. By many people" was not true since I was not the OP I kept rightly asking for an answer -since I was not the OP and you had not given me one- which in turn led you to keep saying "everyone has given you an answer", this has gone back and forth now until you've come to a realization that I was indeed not the OP. NOW you're saying you intend to report me? Why would you do that when it was your mistake that has led to this frustration.
You've been wrongly calling me out for three or four post now and when you realized instead of apologizing you threaten me by saying you'll report me, what have I done but rightly wanted an asnwer to a question you have not given despite you thinking you have
Hi Noose, that thought does leave one in a bit of a quandary, doesn't it 
One must also wonder (mustn't we?) why we choose to sin, or why we can't speak our own universe into existence ex nihilo
...................unless God didn't mean any of that when He told us that He made us in His image
All silliness aside, I believe the simple answer to your question is that we are not a Trinity of Persons like God is, nor can we be.
~Deut
One must also wonder (mustn't we?) why we choose to sin, or why we can't speak our own universe into existence ex nihilo
...................unless God didn't mean any of that when He told us that He made us in His image
All silliness aside, I believe the simple answer to your question is that we are not a Trinity of Persons like God is, nor can we be.
~Deut
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Hi again Jaybird88, here is part 2 of 3. Cont............from here.
What was concealed in the OT is often revealed in the NT. Moses, Elijah and Isaiah lived and died prior to the Incarnation however, so what they knew/understood about the Trinity would have been very limited at best.
I believe you are correct about no one calling the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit, "They", rather than "Him/He", but that's because They (the Godhead) are addressed as the Individuals/Persons they are in the Bible. One God eternally existing as three Persons = the Trinity or Godhead.
~Deut
What was concealed in the OT is often revealed in the NT. Moses, Elijah and Isaiah lived and died prior to the Incarnation however, so what they knew/understood about the Trinity would have been very limited at best.
I believe you are correct about no one calling the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit, "They", rather than "Him/He", but that's because They (the Godhead) are addressed as the Individuals/Persons they are in the Bible. One God eternally existing as three Persons = the Trinity or Godhead.
~Deut
Cont...Part 3 of 3.
Crowds of Jews (and Gentiles) followed Jesus (many simply for the food and miraculous healings that He was providing them with) until we learn that they ~didn't~ follow Him any longer, because of many of the things that He said to them. See John 6:66. That said, there have always been Jews following Jesus, from the 1st Century onward. Today they are referred to as either Hebrew Christians or Messianic Jews.
You said the Jews stopped following Jesus when the doctrine of Trinity officially emerged (it's credited to Tertullian sometime in the late 100's to early 200's AD if memory serves)? I've never read anything about such an occurrence among the Jews though. Would you mind linking it here so we can all take a look at it?
Thanks!
~Deut
Crowds of Jews (and Gentiles) followed Jesus (many simply for the food and miraculous healings that He was providing them with) until we learn that they ~didn't~ follow Him any longer, because of many of the things that He said to them. See John 6:66. That said, there have always been Jews following Jesus, from the 1st Century onward. Today they are referred to as either Hebrew Christians or Messianic Jews.
You said the Jews stopped following Jesus when the doctrine of Trinity officially emerged (it's credited to Tertullian sometime in the late 100's to early 200's AD if memory serves)? I've never read anything about such an occurrence among the Jews though. Would you mind linking it here so we can all take a look at it?
Thanks!
~Deut
Hi Noose, that thought does leave one in a bit of a quandary, doesn't it
One must also wonder (mustn't we?) why we choose to sin, or why we can't speak our own universe into existence ex nihilo
One must also wonder (mustn't we?) why we choose to sin, or why we can't speak our own universe into existence ex nihilo
Sin/evil must be there for good to be good, just like darkness must be there for light to be light.
And the universe was created through the minds of men/ existence is collectively in our minds- it's a mystery, i know.
...................unless God didn't mean any of that when He told us that He made us in His image
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