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VCO

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True, the way is narrow (ONLY Yeshua/Jesus), not many find it. :cry:

Yes, that is Mat. 7:14.

MUCH Narrower than most who call themselves Christian, actually think.

And I am sure it is literally this Narrow, and He does not become your SAVIOR, until you receive HIM as LORD, which means MASTER.

Romans 10:9 (NASB)
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

ALMOST EVERY VERSION SAYS CONFESS JESUS as YOUR LORD, not PROFESS. That is why I cringe when I hear as TV Preacher say:
Just receive Jesus as your SAVIOR, and you are Saved.
That is NOT what GOD SAID. HE is not your SAVIOR until after You have in your heart (human spirit), received HIM as LORD.
 
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Yes, that is Mat. 7:14.

MUCH Narrower than most who call themselves Christian, actually think.

And I am sure it is literally this Narrow, and He does not become your SAVIOR, until you receive HIM as LORD, which means MASTER.

Romans 10:9 (NASB)
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

ALMOST EVERY VERSION SAYS CONFESS JESUS as YOUR LORD, not PROFESS. That is why I cringe when I hear as TV Preacher say:
Just receive Jesus as your SAVIOR, and you are Saved.
That is NOT what GOD SAID. HE is not your SAVIOR until after You have in your heart (human spirit), received HIM as LORD.
It is as narrow as genuine faith without any an all religious trinkets and hoop jumping added......FAITH plus NOTHING!!
 

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To be born under the first Adam is death but, to be born again under the second Adam which is Yeshua/Jesus is life.

There is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved.

Yeshua/Jesus is the ONLY way. :love:(y)
 
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To be born under the first Adam is death but, to be born again under the second Adam which is Yeshua/Jesus is life.

There is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved.

Yeshua/Jesus is the ONLY way. :love:(y)
Amen and that door is faith....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE!
 

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Walk trough the valley
No-one can attain Resurrection by works, but we shall all be rewarded according to our labour of Love, this refers to God at work in us. No-one is also one of the names of God: No-one Has attained The Resurrection for us.
Work is no longer work: just as in a love relationship love motivates of it's own accord. There is no effort involved unless we fall out of love, then the relationship becomes work.
 

VCO

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No-one can attain Resurrection by works, but we shall all be rewarded according to our labour of Love, this refers to God at work in us. No-one is also one of the names of God: No-one Has attained The Resurrection for us.
Work is no longer work: just as in a love relationship love motivates of it's own accord. There is no effort involved unless we fall out of love, then the relationship becomes work.


You mentioned Human Love, as if it is the SAME as GOD GIVEN LOVE. Agape Love is GOD GIVEN LOVE, those He gives it to NEVER FALL OUT OF LOVE WITH HIM, or the Brethren.

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.



That is the ULTIMATE FORM OF LOVE.
 

VCO

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It is as narrow as genuine faith without any an all religious trinkets and hoop jumping added......FAITH plus NOTHING!!
Do you think this is this is a works righteousness fellowship trying to Get GOD to recognize their works as part of there Salvation?

 

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VCO, when God spoke to you in out voice, and it scared you, if love is not a feeling, what would love be in that context of your experience?
 

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Do you think this is this is a works righteousness fellowship trying to Get GOD to recognize their works as part of there Salvation?

They have to love doing it to keep practicing, or else they would have given up before they get good at it
 
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Do you think this is this is a works righteousness fellowship trying to Get GOD to recognize their works as part of there Salvation?

Yeah not sure, but regardless.....they as in the Many come before his throne claiming their right to enter based upon the many wonderful works they have done in his name....they also acknowledge him as Lord twice......this can be boiled down to their gospel as being false. Faith (Lord Lord) plus WORKS....HAVE WE NOT DONE

that dog will not hunt.....nor will it save a man and the reason it is identifed with the many->>because most denominations peddle that dogma
 

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VCO, when God spoke to you in out voice, and it scared you, if love is not a feeling, what would love be in that context of your experience?

The first experience was shortly after when we were first married. My wife had been addicted to pain pills. The Dr. scheduled her into a NON-Christian Rehab Center. A week before the Rehab was scheduled to start. SHE was healed in answer to PRAYER, both her Mom and I were praying fervently. She woke up and as she entered, she saw her Mom Praying for her, on her knees by the couch. SOMETHING IN HER BROKE, and she was on her KNEES TOO, BEGGING HIM TO TAKE THE ADDICTION AWAY FROM HER. SHE WAS HEALED, in answer to Pray, I am sure of that, because she had built up a tolerance to 8 pain pills, and 4 muscle relaxers. For normal people that would be a lethal dose, but over a few years, she had built up that tolerance. I waited until FRIDAY to see if she had a relapse during those 3 days. BUT NO RELAPSE, and NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS.

So we went into the Dr. on Friday, and told him my wife would not need REHAB, because GOD Healed her, with NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS. The Dr. said, "I know how much she was taking, and if you believe that, you are either a FOOL or a LIAR, so I want her in that rehab center Sunday." And instantly I thought, "And you are not a Christian Doctor, that is obvious."

So Sunday she went to Rehab and Sunday Evening they had a group therapy session, and afterward she called me Crying. Because in Group Therapy the Counselors made fun of her FAITH and THAT GOD HEALED HER. And spend the whole hour ridiculing that fact that God Healed her in answer to Prayer. The Next two days they were constantly belittling he Faith. I had Wednesday off from the Post Office, and they had scheduled me to be there for that Joint Therapy Session. And as soon as it started they were Belittling our FAITH that my wife was HEALED, saying, Jesus could not help, and we had to learn to Depend on them.

SUDDENLY A LOUD BOOMING VOICE SOUNDED IN MY HEAD, "WALK!"; A VOICE MY MUSCLES INVOLUNTARILY HAD TO OBEY, it was like the chair was electrified and I WAS STANDING. I looked over at my wife, and SHE WAS STANDING ALSO. I asked her, "Are you ready." And she say "Yes I am." I said, "We are out of here."

We went to her room and gather her things, and we were out the door. As I went out the front door, my Jeep was parked across the the street, and I NOTICED the right rear Tire was FLAT. My wife got into the Jeep, and I hurriedly started changing the Tire. Just as I was tightening the lug nuts, my wife came to the back to see how I was doing, so I ASKED HER: "What did you hear in that ROOM up there." She said, "Only one word." "WALK!" I said, "THAT IT! We have got to go."


Now the second time that I heard HIS VOICE was on the way back from Crescent City, Ca. to pick up our three Grandkids from Nebraska. I spent the first night Elko, Nv. The next morning I was on the On Ramp to I-80, I noticed a Hitchhiker on the right an moved to the left and sped up to 65 mph. I had no intention to pick him up, BUT, THAT SAME LOUD BOOMING VOICE I HEARD IN THE REHAB CENTER, SHOUTED: "PICK HIM UP!" AGAIN MY MUSCLE RESPONDED TO THAT VOICE INVOLUNTARILY, AS I SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES, WITH ALL FOUR WHEELS SCREAMING. I finally got the car stopped way past the hitchhiker, he came running to the car, as I just sat there shaking like a leaf. He opened the car door and asked, "Are you giving me a ride?" I said, "YEAH, you get in the car because GOD just told me, "PICK HIM UP!"

To make a long story short, I had him with me all day, Talked about the LORD, mid-day we stopped at a rest area, talked more how the Lord came into my life, prayed, and when we got back into the car, we Listened to 3 hours of MacArthur Tapes. He wanted to go south to Denver, so I let him off at Laramie, WY. He asked if He could have the the Dr. John MacArthur Tapes, and I gave them to him.
 
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I have noticed a trend that seems to be getting worse....

a. People peddling the bible does not say what the bible is saying

b. An inconsistent use of words to peddle that which is false

c. A rejection of the inspired words of God

All by supposed believers!
 

VCO

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A couple songs we sang in Church today, I believe most will Appreciate these:





 

theanointedwinner

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I have noticed a trend that seems to be getting worse....

a. People peddling the bible does not say what the bible is saying

b. An inconsistent use of words to peddle that which is false

c. A rejection of the inspired words of God

All by supposed believers!
Lord Jesus, how can this problem be solved, why oh why, is this problem unsolvable unless if rapture?
 

theanointedwinner

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The first experience was shortly after when we were first married. My wife had been addicted to pain pills. The Dr. scheduled her into a NON-Christian Rehab Center. A week before the Rehab was scheduled to start. SHE was healed in answer to PRAYER, both her Mom and I were praying fervently. She woke up and as she entered, she saw her Mom Praying for her, on her knees by the couch. SOMETHING IN HER BROKE, and she was on her KNEES TOO, BEGGING HIM TO TAKE THE ADDICTION AWAY FROM HER. SHE WAS HEALED, in answer to Pray, I am sure of that, because she had built up a tolerance to 8 pain pills, and 4 muscle relaxers. For normal people that would be a lethal dose, but over a few years, she had built up that tolerance. I waited until FRIDAY to see if she had a relapse during those 3 days. BUT NO RELAPSE, and NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS.

So we went into the Dr. on Friday, and told him my wife would not need REHAB, because GOD Healed her, with NO WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS. The Dr. said, "I know how much she was taking, and if you believe that, you are either a FOOL or a LIAR, so I want her in that rehab center Sunday." And instantly I thought, "And you are not a Christian Doctor, that is obvious."

So Sunday she went to Rehab and Sunday Evening they had a group therapy session, and afterward she called me Crying. Because in Group Therapy the Counselors made fun of her FAITH and THAT GOD HEALED HER. And spend the whole hour ridiculing that fact that God Healed her in answer to Prayer. The Next two days they were constantly belittling he Faith. I had Wednesday off from the Post Office, and they had scheduled me to be there for that Joint Therapy Session. And as soon as it started they were Belittling our FAITH that my wife was HEALED, saying, Jesus could not help, and we had to learn to Depend on them.

SUDDENLY A LOUD BOOMING VOICE SOUNDED IN MY HEAD, "WALK!"; A VOICE MY MUSCLES INVOLUNTARILY HAD TO OBEY, it was like the chair was electrified and I WAS STANDING. I looked over at my wife, and SHE WAS STANDING ALSO. I asked her, "Are you ready." And she say "Yes I am." I said, "We are out of here."

We went to her room and gather her things, and we were out the door. As I went out the front door, my Jeep was parked across the the street, and I NOTICED the right rear Tire was FLAT. My wife got into the Jeep, and I hurriedly started changing the Tire. Just as I was tightening the lug nuts, my wife came to the back to see how I was doing, so I ASKED HER: "What did you hear in that ROOM up there." She said, "Only one word." "WALK!" I said, "THAT IT! We have got to go."


Now the second time that I heard HIS VOICE was on the way back from Crescent City, Ca. to pick up our three Grandkids from Nebraska. I spent the first night Elko, Nv. The next morning I was on the On Ramp to I-80, I noticed a Hitchhiker on the right an moved to the left and sped up to 65 mph. I had no intention to pick him up, BUT, THAT SAME LOUD BOOMING VOICE I HEARD IN THE REHAB CENTER, SHOUTED: "PICK HIM UP!" AGAIN MY MUSCLE RESPONDED TO THAT VOICE INVOLUNTARILY, AS I SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES, WITH ALL FOUR WHEELS SCREAMING. I finally got the car stopped way past the hitchhiker, he came running to the car, as I just sat there shaking like a leaf. He opened the car door and asked, "Are you giving me a ride?" I said, "YEAH, you get in the car because GOD just told me, "PICK HIM UP!"

To make a long story short, I had him with me all day, Talked about the LORD, mid-day we stopped at a rest area, talked more how the Lord came into my life, prayed, and when we got back into the car, we Listened to 3 hours of MacArthur Tapes. He wanted to go south to Denver, so I let him off at Laramie, WY. He asked if He could have the the Dr. John MacArthur Tapes, and I gave them to him.
I bet VCO felt righteous anger, when his wife was belittled

I can imagine how people should be thankful for Romans 12:19 to be printed in the Bible for all to read.
 

Magenta

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I have noticed a trend that seems to be getting worse....

a. People peddling the bible does not say what the bible is saying

b. An inconsistent use of words to peddle that which is false

c. A rejection of the inspired words of God

All by supposed believers!
I have noticed that, too. Twice last week two different guys who consider themselves teachers, one priding himself on being a teacher of sound doctrine, refused to admit what the Bible specifically says to instead insistently insert what they wanted it to mean. It was not an issue of the Bible saying one thing in one place and something seemingly different in another, either. No interpretation was required to accept what was clearly stated, yet both persistently rejected the explicit words of Scripture and then repeatedly claimed I was wrong to point out what the Bible actually said, even when I posted the two sentences in question. There is no reasoning with such people. The truth offends them.
 
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I have noticed that, too. Twice last week two different guys who consider themselves teachers, one priding himself on being a teacher of sound doctrine, refused to admit what the Bible specifically says to instead insert what they wanted it to mean. It was not an issue of the Bible saying one thing in one place and something seemingly different in another, either. No interpretation was required to accept what was clearly stated, yet both insistently rejected the explicit words of Scripture and then repeatedly claimed I was wrong to point out what the Bible said, even when I posted the two sentences in question. There is no reasoning with such people. The truth offends them.
I hear ya.....hey....just for the record....We agree on many things and I consider you a friend and sister....so...just because I adamently disagree with you in the other thread....don't think I am ever talking down to you or throwing you under the bus :)
 

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I hear ya.....hey....just for the record....We agree on many things and I consider you a friend and sister....so...just because I adamently disagree with you in the other thread....don't think I am ever talking down to you or throwing you under the bus :)
Thank you, David. I said good bye to you in that thread because as I had already said, it is unfruitful to carry on regarding such an issue when it is not an essential. I was posting mainly for the benefit of the OP and the other person who was also looking in that direction.

God is good :)

 

VCO

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I bet VCO felt righteous anger, when his wife was belittled
I can imagine how people should be thankful for Romans 12:19 to be printed in the Bible for all to read.

Not, exactly. It was more being worthy of persecution, and being sorry for my WIFE, who had to endure the hurt.

Romans 1:1 (NASB)
1 Paul, a bond-servant [also called a bond-slave] of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,


A bond-servant or bond-slave, was one that willingly became that kind of slave. Because they had a higher standard of living than one could make as a day laborer. We willing serve or enslaved to HIM, because we LOVE HIM, for providing Eternal Life.


John 15:18-23 (HCSB)
18 “If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me before it hated you.
19 If you were of the world, the world would love ⌊you as⌋ its own. However, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of it, the world hates you.
20 Remember the word I spoke to you: ‘A slave
[a bond-slave] is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will also keep yours.
21 But they will do all these things to you on account of My name, because they don’t know the One who sent Me.
22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin. Now they have no excuse for their sin.
23 The one who hates Me also hates My Father.
 

BillG

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Lord Jesus, how can this problem be solved, why oh why, is this problem unsolvable unless if rapture?
This side of eternity it will not be solved.

It will be solved when Jesus judges the world.
The works that we do for Christ will be judged and workes that we preach as such to build upon the foundation of our cornerstone being Jesus will be judged as well.

Our hearts and motives will be judged.
If our hearts and motives are to lead others to become more like Jesus, yet are wrong they will be burned up.

If the purpose is to tie a millstone around their necks or gain from it they are sheep in wolves clothing and will be told to depart from him.

For many years I shrunk back from giving my views because to be honest I was so frightened from leading someone astray.

For most of my Christian life I can say that I never ever said to anyone who came to me for advice (even in my messy crap bin of my spiritual life) who were struggling and thinking their works were not enough and feared losing salvation did I tell them that works saved them.

Yet I was the same for me, but I was also struggling with the fact that I still sinned.
So a double edged sword, work harder and sin less.
If I didn't then obviously I did not have genuine faith.

What really helped me was when I read

John 16:7-11
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

What is the sin that seperated us from Jesus?
The sin of unbelief in him.
What is the work of God?
To believe in Jesus.
That's why he sent the Holy Spirit.
For God so loved the world.
Jesus said that God loves us as much as he loves him.

And Paul tells us

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So for me I came to the conclusion.

It's my faith that saves me in the risen Lord Jesus, not working more or sinning less.
As a result I seek to sin less and do the works prepared for me to walk in before I was born.

If such things could save me then I do not need Jesus and he would not have had to die to reconcile me God, and the following is irrelevant

Romans 5:1-2

Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Sorry bro and others who take time to read this long post.
Maybe I have digressed.

The point I am trying to make is that actually it's our faith in Jesus that saves nothing more or nothing less.

With the Holy Spirit in us we will always seek more, to be like him, to use us to discipleship others to be like.

It's not just a cold walk but one that's based on relationship.
That's why we confess when we get it wrong to continue the relationship, from our side. Jesus intercedes for us when we get it wrong.