What is Hell ? A small study help

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Gift1982

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A small study help for people interested in making their own study of it . I recommend a dictionary of the Bible, concordance specifically like the Strong's . Then you can do a more thorough study into more passages.

The Bible teaches at times in metaphor or figurative language ; like about Hell. The English translation of words from Greek and Hebrew in the Bible doesn't always convey the meaning or give a answer on its own . More so if you go strictly off the English in some cases it can be a negative without closer inspection .

You have to know what The bible says overall and Christ's teachings on any given subject to know what the bible says yourself .

When we're talking about the Final Judgment ; After the Lords Day in Revelation 20 :
That's a time element for when "hell" actually happens.

But currently when a person dies as Christ teaches in His parable of The rich man and Lazarus; they go to heaven on either side of a divide between them.

The Rich man asked for water to cool his tongue from his torment in the flames ; should call to mind that fact Water symbolizes Eternal life Christ gives : That is what The rich man was in fact asking for , what at that point was too late to obtain .
This would torment any person faced with that reality .



The word Torment in Greek means to to test metal for its worth . By analogy its torment .
The rich man's life was found lacking whats required to be on that side of victory with Lazarus . Eternal Life .

What happens after The Lords Day written of in Revelation 20? This is really called the Lake of Fire.
The final judgment of God Judges for those who don't make it at the end .

The lake of fire is called the Second Death. If we die now we go to heaven or paradise as Christ would call it in another place.
But what happens when you die a second time ? You don't go to another place. You stop existing .

At the Eternity : You either have eternal life. Or you don't . The bible teaches this If you can wrap your mind around how figures of speech are used in the Bible.

So the struggle many have is with understanding language .Example the torment forever and ever. weeping and gnashing of teeth ; etc .
Mistakenly perceiving a meteor ; read as literal word for word; is how new doctrines spread and become mainstream traditions .
While missing the entire original thought God gave .

The Greek meaning for the word Torment is " touch stone " . This would be foreign to someone Not taught that the apostles didnt reference English when they studied the OT or when they wrote down what they have been taught and witnessed.


The Lake of Fire is a blotting out of ones soul from existence . That is the second death.
And there can't be any recovery from it because its forever .

One really good verse to understand all the figurative language used about hell or the lake of fire ; is Psalms 37.
This while using a figure, is more plain to understand .


Psalms 37:18

The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.

19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.


So the whats the opposite of Perish ?


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.


Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:

but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


These verses establish what Christ is teaching and talking about . So when read the other passages you should more readily recognize the figures of speech being used in the Greek or Hebrew .
 

ToastAndTea

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A small study help for people interested in making their own study of it . I recommend a dictionary of the Bible, concordance specifically like the Strong's . Then you can do a more thorough study into more passages.

The Bible teaches at times in metaphor or figurative language ; like about Hell. The English translation of words from Greek and Hebrew in the Bible doesn't always convey the meaning or give a answer on its own . More so if you go strictly off the English in some cases it can be a negative without closer inspection .

You have to know what The bible says overall and Christ's teachings on any given subject to know what the bible says yourself .

When we're talking about the Final Judgment ; After the Lords Day in Revelation 20 :
That's a time element for when "hell" actually happens.

But currently when a person dies as Christ teaches in His parable of The rich man and Lazarus; they go to heaven on either side of a divide between them.

The Rich man asked for water to cool his tongue from his torment in the flames ; should call to mind that fact Water symbolizes Eternal life Christ gives : That is what The rich man was in fact asking for , what at that point was too late to obtain .
This would torment any person faced with that reality .



The word Torment in Greek means to to test metal for its worth . By analogy its torment .
The rich man's life was found lacking whats required to be on that side of victory with Lazarus . Eternal Life .

What happens after The Lords Day written of in Revelation 20? This is really called the Lake of Fire.
The final judgment of God Judges for those who don't make it at the end .

The lake of fire is called the Second Death. If we die now we go to heaven or paradise as Christ would call it in another place.
But what happens when you die a second time ? You don't go to another place. You stop existing .

At the Eternity : You either have eternal life. Or you don't . The bible teaches this If you can wrap your mind around how figures of speech are used in the Bible.

So the struggle many have is with understanding language .Example the torment forever and ever. weeping and gnashing of teeth ; etc .
Mistakenly perceiving a meteor ; read as literal word for word; is how new doctrines spread and become mainstream traditions .
While missing the entire original thought God gave .

The Greek meaning for the word Torment is " touch stone " . This would be foreign to someone Not taught that the apostles didnt reference English when they studied the OT or when they wrote down what they have been taught and witnessed.


The Lake of Fire is a blotting out of ones soul from existence . That is the second death.
And there can't be any recovery from it because its forever .

One really good verse to understand all the figurative language used about hell or the lake of fire ; is Psalms 37.
This while using a figure, is more plain to understand .


Psalms 37:18

The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.

19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.


So the whats the opposite of Perish ?


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.


Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:

but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


These verses establish what Christ is teaching and talking about . So when read the other passages you should more readily recognize the figures of speech being used in the Greek or Hebrew .
I read the entireity of the chapter you gave in Psalm 37.

It appears there that the language being used is not literal. Psalms are often literary verses and the language used therein is metaphorical or symbolic because of the nature of the text. Therefore, it's not always wise to build a doctrine out of what they say (although they do contain spiritual truths).

Please examine the text in its entireity and don't just select a single verse from which to build a doctrine:

Psalm 37[a]
Of David.
1 Do not fret because of those who are evil
or be envious of those who do wrong;
2 for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.
3 Trust in the Lord and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
4 Take delight in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart.
5 Commit your way to the Lord;
trust in him and he will do this:
6 He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
your vindication like the noonday sun.
7 Be still before the Lord
and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.
8 Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.
9 For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.
10 A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
11 But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity.
12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.
14 The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.
16 Better the little that the righteous have
than the wealth of many wicked;
17 for the power of the wicked will be broken,
but the Lord upholds the righteous.
18 The blameless spend their days under the Lord’s care,
and their inheritance will endure forever.
19 In times of disaster they will not wither;
in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.
20 But the wicked will perish:
Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field,
they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.
21 The wicked borrow and do not repay,
but the righteous give generously;
22 those the Lord blesses will inherit the land,
but those he curses will be destroyed.
23 The Lord makes firm the steps
of the one who delights in him;
24 though he may stumble, he will not fall,
for the Lord upholds him with his hand.
25 I was young and now I am old,
yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
or their children begging bread.
26 They are always generous and lend freely;
their children will be a blessing.[b]
27 Turn from evil and do good;
then you will dwell in the land forever.
28 For the Lord loves the just
and will not forsake his faithful ones.
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed[c];
the offspring of the wicked will perish.
29 The righteous will inherit the land
and dwell in it forever.
30 The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,
and their tongues speak what is just.
31 The law of their God is in their hearts;
their feet do not slip.
32 The wicked lie in wait for the righteous,
intent on putting them to death;
33 but the Lord will not leave them in the power of the wicked
or let them be condemned when brought to trial.
34 Hope in the Lord
and keep his way.
He will exalt you to inherit the land;
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.
35 I have seen a wicked and ruthless man
flourishing like a luxuriant native tree,
36 but he soon passed away and was no more;
though I looked for him, he could not be found.
37 Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
a future awaits those who seek peace.[d]
38 But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future[e] for the wicked.
39 The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord;
he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
40 The Lord helps them and delivers them;
he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
because they take refuge in him.


"20 But the wicked will perish:
Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field,
they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke."

This is not a literal statement. It is a metaphorical statement. God will make his enemies disappear as if they were nothing. It does not support the doctrine of annihilationism. We know this is a metaphor or a simile because it uses the word "like". We've just had this discussion in a prior thread, as well. If you want to educate yourself, please go and read all about it.
 

Nehemiah6

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Then you can do a more thorough study into more passages.
Having done a thorough study of the afterlife, all I can say after reading your post is that you do not really understand what is Heaven or Hell or the afterlife. So if you want the truth, here it is, but I will not bother to argue if you persist in your errors.

1. The only thing which is metaphorical is the term "sleep". Sleep means death because the body *sleeps* in the grave. Yet we have cultists promoting Soul Sleep. There are no souls sleeping in the soil. Just little creatures burrowing underground.

2. Man is a tripartite being consisting of body, soul, and spirit.

3. Death is essentially SEPARATION, not annihilation. Physical death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body. The second death (which is eternal) is the separation of the unregenerate person from God in the Lake of Fire (which was created for the devil and his angels)

4. The words "perish" and "destroy" do NOT means vaporize or annihilate. They mean eternal ruin or eternal loss. Eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

5. The word "hell" has been incorrectly used in the KJV, and as a result there is great confusion about the afterlife.

GEHENNA = THE TRUE HELL = THE LAKE OF FIRE


SHEOL/HADES = THE ABODE OF THE SOULS AND SPIRITS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH (THE UNDERWORLD)

TARTURUS = THE UNDERWORLD PRISON OF SINFUL AND EVIL ANGELS FROM THE TIME OF THE FLOOD

6. Just as Heaven is real and a place of indescribable joy, Hell (the Lake of Fire) is real, and is a place of indescribable torment.

7. Before the resurrection of Christ both the righteous and the unrighteous dead went to Sheol/Hades but were separated by a wide chasm. Sheol has been incorrectly translated as "the grave" which has led to more confusion.

8. After the resurrection of Christ, the souls and spirits of the saints go to be with Christ in Heaven where they are very much awake and alive, and are called "witnesses" (Heb 12). They receive immortal glorified bodies at the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints.

9. After the resurrection of Christ, the souls and spirits of the unsaved go to Hades, to await their final judgment, and their eternal separation from God in Gehenna (the Lake of Fire)

10. Soul Sleep and Annihilationism are false doctrines. Also there is no such thing as a temporary punishment followed by extinction, or a Purgatory followed by Heaven. The Gospel has been given so that none go to Hell.
 
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There is so much wrong with this thread......it would take 2 or 3 pages of replies to even begin to address the error
 

ToastAndTea

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I was considering starting a thread about what Hell actually is. I wonder if I should do it.
 
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I was considering starting a thread about what Hell actually is. I wonder if I should do it.
That and the lake of fire.....like salvation....every aspect of the bible is under assault and being corrupted by a rejection of verb tense, words, verbiage, definitions etc....
 

Gift1982

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I'm not here to use Gods word to argue. if you have questions ill try to reply in kind. Debate is kinda a waste of time .

dcontroversal - Gods word is simple , we dont need pages of men's words in place of Gods simple truth .

Nehemiah6 - seems you have some good definitons, but some of your views you share is adding pure spiritualism to litteral passages.
Revelation called the lake of fire the second death. I don't . I took it word for word. I dont need pages to explain this because the bible is sufficient.

ToastAndTea - nothing really difficult with the passage. its simply what it says. There is a judgment day, and there is a price to be paid for the evil. Satan will be destroyed and anyone that follows. The entire chapter follows that thought . God will reward the good, and destroy the bad . In your rush to disagree with someone you just met, you missed the simplicity of the entire chapter expecting i should explain it further with my own words ?
 
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I'm not here to use Gods word to argue. if you have questions ill try to reply in kind. Debate is kinda a waste of time .

dcontroversal - Gods word is simple , we dont need pages of men's words in place of Gods simple truth .

Nehemiah6 - seems you have some good definitons, but some of your views you share is adding pure spiritualism to litteral passages.
Revelation called the lake of fire the second death. I don't . I took it word for word. I dont need pages to explain this because the bible is sufficient.

ToastAndTea - nothing really difficult with the passage. its simply what it says. There is a judgment day, and there is a price to be paid for the evil. Satan will be destroyed and anyone that follows.
Yeah God's word is simple and after reading what you wrote I have concluded that you are a little off kilter.....and missing the mark....
are you a JW?
 

ToastAndTea

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That and the lake of fire.....like salvation....every aspect of the bible is under assault and being corrupted by a rejection of verb tense, words, verbiage, definitions etc....
What's scary is that like, 90 % of the people on here don't know their Bible, can't properly interpret a text and have some kind of warped ideology that they continually try to impose on scripture, rather than letter scripture speak for itself. They treat all Biblical texts as though they were the same, they refuse to acknowledge what the texts actually say, and they are not open to rebuke or correction. I think the word they use is unteachable. We are living in frightening times. Satan has done a great job at diverting people's attention from the key and relevant issues of scripture and turning it into an unintelligible mess of confused and false doctrine.
 

Gift1982

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Yeah God's word is simple and after reading what you wrote I have concluded that you are a little off kilter.....and missing the mark....
are you a JW?
you are already trying to label me ? are you sure you are not from some off belief that you must silence people who study the bible, and even stop my encouraging others to do so themselves ; so instead confusion can flourish ? like is that appropriate for a believer ?

and you should actually learn the bible first yourself before trying to exclaim to others you know it best . To people who actually know it . because those who know dont attack people in their ignorance. My belief is not from any church. its from the Bible. You three are really full of yourself. And thats not good. But i defended myself and thats it . The bible is not meant for debate.

But i dont apologize for Gods word. you accept it or dont. thats between you and God. not me.
 

ToastAndTea

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I'm not here to use Gods word to argue. if you have questions ill try to reply in kind. Debate is kinda a waste of time .

dcontroversal - Gods word is simple , we dont need pages of men's words in place of Gods simple truth .

Nehemiah6 - seems you have some good definitons, but some of your views you share is adding pure spiritualism to litteral passages.
Revelation called the lake of fire the second death. I don't . I took it word for word. I dont need pages to explain this because the bible is sufficient.

ToastAndTea - nothing really difficult with the passage. its simply what it says. There is a judgment day, and there is a price to be paid for the evil. Satan will be destroyed and anyone that follows. The entire chapter follows that thought . God will reward the good, and destroy the bad . In your rush to disagree with someone you just met, you missed the simplicity of the entire chapter expecting i should explain it further with my own words ?
The way you've used your scriptures doesn't support the point you are trying to make, because those scriptures don't refer to what you think they refer to. Psalm 37 is not talking about annihilationism, so stop using it to try and support annihilationism. Don't know what's hard to understand about that. I've dealt with a lot of annihilationists now, so I am getting quite used to the fact that you guys just blithely ignore the facts and continue to post scripture after scripture without once stopping to consider what it actually means.

Yes God rewards the just and punishes the unjust. That's the point of the scripture. Don't go further than what the text is actually saying. There is no doctrinal truth about the afterlife in this verse. I think it is you, who is missing the mark.
 
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What's scary is that like, 90 % of the people on here don't know their Bible, can't properly interpret a text and have some kind of warped ideology that they continually try to impose on scripture, rather than letter scripture speak for itself. They treat all Biblical texts as though they were the same, they refuse to acknowledge what the texts actually say, and they are not open to rebuke or correction. I think the word they use is unteachable. We are living in frightening times. Satan has done a great job at diverting people's attention from the key and relevant issues of scripture and turning it into an unintelligible mess of confused and false doctrine.
For sure many fit this bill.....and I agree....the KosmoKrator is working overtime to sow-->>>Has God really said!
 
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you are already trying to label me ? are you sure you are not from some off belief that you must silence people who study the bible, and even stop my encouraging others to do so themselves ; so instead confusion can flourish ? like is that appropriate for a believer ?

and you should actually learn the bible first yourself before trying to exclaim to others you know it best . To people who actually know it . because those who know dont attack people in their ignorance. My belief is not from any church. its from the Bible. You three are really full if yourself. And thats not good. But i defended myself.

But i dont apologize for Gods word. you accept it or dont. thats between you and God. not me.
Listen pal......do you know the difference between a STATEMENT and a QUESTION.....OBVIOUSLY NOT.....I ASKED YOU A QUESTION....I did not MAKE A STATEMENT.....and your refusal to answer and divert away from the question speaks volumes!!
 

Gift1982

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Its sad times when those doing the attacks, and are upside down with scripture themselves, are the majority and those who study are the minority. Yea you know best . Says those in a famine . smh sad.... You all must be having a seriously bad week. So I can relate to that. So i wont hold it against you. im sure you got enough to deal with ... Hope someone in a better mode can better appreciate my effort. bye.
 

ToastAndTea

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Its sad times when those doing the attacks, and are upside down with scripture themselves, are the majority and those who study are the minority. Yea you know best . Says those in a famine . smh sad.... You all must be having a seriously bad week. So I can relate to that. So i wont hold it against you. im sure you got enough to deal with ... Hope someone in a better mode can better appreciate my effort. bye.
Well before you flounce off, I just wanted to add that i have no issue with you as a person. You're welcome to believe whatever interpretation of scripture you choose to, however you should bear in mind that wrong or erroneous beliefs do carry eternal consequences. If someone didn't care enough to tell you you were wrong, then they couldn't claim to love you as a fellow brother (or sister) in Christ. It is truth, not error that sets people free. I wish you all the best.
 
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Its sad times when those doing the attacks, and are upside down with scripture themselves, are the majority and those who study are the minority. Yea you know best . Says those in a famine . smh sad.... You all must be having a seriously bad week. So I can relate to that. So i wont hold it against you. im sure you got enough to deal with ... Hope someone in a better mode can better appreciate my effort. bye.
So....I am gonna assume since you deflected answering my question about your affiliation that is an affirmative....!!

And your diatribe above = not much
 

Gift1982

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So....I am gonna assume since you deflected answering my question about your affiliation that is an affirmative....!!

And your diatribe above = not much
Since you're in the bad habit of assuming lies and accusations about Christians .
I'm going to assume you an accuser. we know who does that. Who'd you learn that from ?
Something about beams too ..
 
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Since you're in the bad habit of assuming lies and accusations about Christians .
I'm going to assume you an accuser. we know who does that. Who'd you learn that from ?
Something about beams too ..
Keep digging that ditch and like I said....you have proven 2 things, yea 3...

a. Don't know the word
b. Deflecting a question about being a JW states a lot
c. Don't know the difference between a question and or a statement

And the thing you ACCUSE ME OF...you are doing....another cake taker

So......yes or no....are you a JW?