Do you want the truth? Here is the truth about eschatology

[delirious]

And your trying to get us to believe this is all past tense based on your gut instinct and telling us you don't know how it was fulfilled before ad70 because you don't know who or how it was fulfilled...

Listing dozens of verses that all say the same thing is gut instinct?

 

[delirious]

Hmm when did the resurrection of the just and unjust happened?

On the last day of Old Covenant Israel. 70 AD. The same last day Jesus said He would raise people on. It is not a physical resurrection. Please read 1 Corinthians 15:42-50. A comparison is made between Adam and Jesus. The same comparison Paul talks about in Romans 5.

Adam was of the dust. A natural body. He became a living being.
Jesus is the second Adam. A living-giving Spirit. Those who are born of the Spirit are not material. This is why Jesus gives Nicodemus the description He does in John 3:3-8.

The resurrection took place IN THE SPIRIT. It has nothing to do with the physical. This is why no one recorded it in 70 AD because physical eyes would not have seen it.

 

[delirious]

Good luck...............If the end came and went almost 2000 years ago we can all chunk the bible into the proverbial trash can

You think that because you don't understand the nature of the kingdom and you are trying to make it physical. Same thing Nicodemus in John 3, the woman at the well in John 4, and the disciples in John 6:60 were doing. It's how we think as humans and it's completely wrong.

 

[iamsoandso]

Listing dozens of verses that all say the same thing is gut instinct?

lol, unless you can explain the things I ask I could see things partially fulfilled, beginning at point X and in the midst of being fulfilled ect., your who's saying it is all fulfilled by ad70,, tell us the answer to what I ask.

 

[dcontroversal]

You think that because you don't understand the nature of the kingdom and you are trying to make it physical. Same thing Nicodemus in John 3, the woman at the well in John 4, and the disciples in John 6:60 were doing. It's how we think as humans and it's completely wrong.

Listen carefully pal......so far you have not proven anything other than being as dense as lead.....and you can continually cast out that we do not understand while playing the fool all you want.......What...You think you are the only one that studies and you are all that and a bag of spirit chips.......not quite......like I said....have a piece of cake!!!!

 

[JamOn]

On the last day of Old Covenant Israel. 70 AD. The same last day Jesus said He would raise people on. It is not a physical resurrection. Please read 1 Corinthians 15:42-50. A comparison is made between Adam and Jesus. The same comparison Paul talks about in Romans 5.

Adam was of the dust. A natural body. He became a living being.
Jesus is the second Adam. A living-giving Spirit. Those who are born of the Spirit are not material. This is why Jesus gives Nicodemus the description He does in John 3:3-8.

The resurrection took place IN THE SPIRIT. It has nothing to do with the physical. This is why no one recorded it in 70 AD because physical eyes would not have seen it.

Hmm isn’t a natural body born from another, it seems to me that Adam was created from a natural material yet in a unnatural way.

 

[dcontroversal]

I’m going to about to will to the work in how much time.


Hmm isn’t a natural body born from another, it seems to me that Adam was created from a natural material yet in a unnatural way.

God took dirt and formed it, fashioned it and breathed into Adam the breath of lives <---plural in Hebrew

 

[iamsoandso]

Does it matter what my credentials are? There are men with doctorates in Theology and Greek and they still don't understand eschatology as well as many other doctrines in the Bible. I don't even come close to understanding everything that is written in the Bible. But on this one subject there is no doubt whatsoever that what I said is true. The Scripture makes it very clear and it is ubiquitous throughout the New Testament. Every major character and every author in the NT says it.

lol, Not if you read the rest of the fragment to me,,,jut show a little proof,, in the second sentence from the bottom of the fragment is a real easy Greek word like and,even,also,namley.kai ect.

 

[dcontroversal]

lol, Not if you read the rest of the fragment to me,,,jut show a little proof,, in the second sentence from the bottom of the fragment is a real easy Greek word like and,even,also,namley.kai ect.

That word gets overlooked and swept under the table by many...!

 

[JamOn]

God took dirt and formed it, fashioned it and breathed into Adam the breath of lives <---plural in Hebrew

Yea that seems is a little unnatural.

 

[iamsoandso]

That word gets overlooked and swept under the table by many...!

"kenisyes"(old former member of CC) taught me how to look at a fragment and read it(it's like you ripped a piece of the news paper out while your reading it and you gotta realize it only has the last few letters of one word and the next few of the next when it got ripped out) man I miss talking to that man and hope he's doing well.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yea that seems is a little unnatural.

Like the joke....some scientists challenged God to building a man and God said OK....I will go first....He built a man from dirt and then brought him to life and man became a living soul.......the scientists said ok...we can do that, our turn....as they started God stopped them and said....."GET YOUR OWN DIRT"

What POWER, INTELLIGENCE AND ABILITY......TAKE DIRT and build a man and then BRING HIM TO LIFE with intelligence, feelings, cognative reasoning etc.........

To whom shall we liken God....NO ONE....he can be compared to no one!!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

On the last day of Old Covenant Israel. 70 AD. The same last day Jesus said He would raise people on. It is not a physical resurrection. Please read 1 Corinthians 15:42-50. A comparison is made between Adam and Jesus. The same comparison Paul talks about in Romans 5.
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I disagree that Paul, in Romans 5, was speaking of the 70ad point in time (nor is 6:13).

The resurrection took place IN THE SPIRIT. It has nothing to do with the physical. This is why no one recorded it in 70 AD because physical eyes would not have seen it.

So you're saying that Matt22:30 has been in effect since 70ad? "For in the resurrection, neither do they marry, nor are given in marriage, but they are like angels in heaven." Meaning, no "marry" or "given in marriage" since then (at least, for believers)?? I'm thinking, not.

 

[delirious]

lol, unless you can explain the things I ask I could see things partially fulfilled, beginning at point X and in the midst of being fulfilled ect., your who's saying it is all fulfilled by ad70,, tell us the answer to what I ask.

Doesn't Revelation say 7 times it would be fulfilled shortly? Isn't that what Rev 22:6 (one of the seven) say? I included those verses. Jesus says the same thing in the Olivet Discourse. He doesn't say "some" in Matt 24:34. He says ALL. That's why He says in the next verse "heaven and earth will pass away but my word will never pass away". Heaven and earth was a Jewish idiom that all of those men knew. Just like we know what raining cats and dogs means and it is not literal.

The passing away of heaven and earth was the end of old covenant Israel and the Mosaic Law. The same Law that Paul calls the ministry of death in 2 Cor 3:7. It could only condemn. When the temple was destroyed, the Law ended. The eternal age of Grace, bought by Christ with His blood, began.

This is why Matt 5:17-18 says what it says. Heaven and earth would pass away when the Law was fulfilled. And the Law would pass away too because "heaven and earth" was a Jewish figure of speech for old covenant Israel and the Mosaic Law. It is where Heaven met Earth. God came down and dwelt in the Holy of Holies and the priests did their duties in the temple. He now lives in us (John 14:23, Col 1:27, Rev 3:20).

Luke 21:22 is the fulfillment of Matt 5:17-18. Luke 21 is the Olivet Discourse and refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the fulfillment of ALL prophecy recorded in the Bible.

 

[delirious]

Listen carefully pal......so far you have not proven anything other than being as dense as lead.....and you can continually cast out that we do not understand while playing the fool all you want.......What...You think you are the only one that studies and you are all that and a bag of spirit chips.......not quite......like I said....have a piece of cake!!!!

I noticed that you do the same thing in many of your posts with people who disagree with you. You hurl insults at them. It's okay. I forgive you. God bless you.

 

[dcontroversal]

Doesn't Revelation say 7 times it would be fulfilled shortly? Isn't that what Rev 22:6 (one of the seven) say? I included those verses. Jesus says the same thing in the Olivet Discourse. He doesn't say "some" in Matt 24:34. He says ALL. That's why He says in the next verse "heaven and earth will pass away but my word will never pass away". Heaven and earth was a Jewish idiom that all of those men knew. Just like we know what raining cats and dogs means and it is not literal.

The passing away of heaven and earth was the end of old covenant Israel and the Mosaic Law. The same Law that Paul calls the ministry of death in 2 Cor 3:7. It could only condemn. When the temple was destroyed, the Law ended. The eternal age of Grace, bought by Christ with His blood, began.

This is why Matt 5:17-18 says what it says. Heaven and earth would pass away when the Law was fulfilled. And the Law would pass away too because "heaven and earth" was a Jewish figure of speech for old covenant Israel and the Mosaic Law. It is where Heaven met Earth. God came down and dwelt in the Holy of Holies and the priests did their duties in the temple. He now lives in us (John 14:23, Col 1:27, Rev 3:20).

Luke 21:22 is the fulfillment of Matt 5:17-18. Luke 21 is the Olivet Discourse and refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the fulfillment of ALL prophecy recorded in the Bible.

Dude....you must be dense.....the law is for the lawless and IN FORCE until the Revelation 20 judgment when the DEAD "LOST" are called forth to be judged by the BOOKS (the law) found guilty and cast into the lake of fire.....geesh

 

[dcontroversal]

I noticed that you do the same thing in many of your posts with people who disagree with you. You hurl insults at them. It's okay. I forgive you. God bless you.

No....only the ones I rake over the coals because what they post is about as biblical as the tabloids sold on the corner news stand.....

 

[delirious]

Hmm isn’t a natural body born from another, it seems to me that Adam was created from a natural material yet in a unnatural way.

Adam was created from the dust. Christ is a Spirit. God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24). As those who are born of the dust are dust, so those who are born of the Spirit are spirit. Humans always want to put a physical spin on the resurrection and God's kingdom because we spend our whole lives in a physical universe in a physical body and it is naturally how we think. God's kingdom is spiritual.

 

[iamsoandso]

Doesn't Revelation say 7 times it would be fulfilled shortly? Isn't that what Rev 22:6 (one of the seven) say? I included those verses. Jesus says the same thing in the Olivet Discourse. He doesn't say "some" in Matt 24:34. He says ALL. That's why He says in the next verse "heaven and earth will pass away but my word will never pass away". Heaven and earth was a Jewish idiom that all of those men knew. Just like we know what raining cats and dogs means and it is not literal.

The passing away of heaven and earth was the end of old covenant Israel and the Mosaic Law. The same Law that Paul calls the ministry of death in 2 Cor 3:7. It could only condemn. When the temple was destroyed, the Law ended. The eternal age of Grace, bought by Christ with His blood, began.
ay cloe
This is why Matt 5:17-18 says what it says. Heaven and earth would pass away when the Law was fulfilled. And the Law would pass away too because "heaven and earth" was a Jewish figure of speech for old covenant Israel and the Mosaic Law. It is where Heaven met Earth. God came down and dwelt in the Holy of Holies and the priests did their duties in the temple. He now lives in us (John 14:23, Col 1:27, Rev 3:20).

Luke 21:22 is the fulfillment of Matt 5:17-18. Luke 21 is the Olivet Discourse and refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the fulfillment of ALL prophecy recorded in the Bible.

lol, man do a google search of the day of the Lord is near,soon,at hand and look at all the OT scriptures where the Bible uses that same language for 700 years before Jesus was born.

 

[delirious]

So you're saying that Matt22:30 has been in effect since 70ad? "For in the resurrection, neither do they marry, nor are given in marriage, but they are like angels in heaven." Meaning, no "marry" or "given in marriage" since then (at least, for believers)?? I'm thinking, not.

The context of that passage is the Sadducees, who didn't believe in a resurrection asking Jesus whose wife would the barren woman be of the 7 brothers who had died. Those who were raised out of Hades in 70 AD are Spirit. They don't have physical bodies. They dwell with God in heaven just like those verses say. The context of that passage is about the resurrection of the DEAD.