The Lord Creates Evil

[vinho]

Author: Elvis Welber
The Lord Creates Evil
Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

It is clearly noticeable in the text above that God is the creator of evil. The word evil comes from the Hebrew ra'râ'âh and applies both to moral evil and to calamities. Nothing that exists in the world came by chance, everything was determined and decreed by God to happen. The LORD has made all things for his own ends, even the wicked, for the day of evil. Proverbs 16: 4.
The Bible clearly shows several passages where God exercises active and sovereign control over ungodly deeds committed by men, let us look at some: 2 Samuel 12.11-12 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up evil out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives and I will give it to your neighbor, who will lie down with your wives before this sun.

12 For thou didst it in secret, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. We see here the punishment of God over David for the sin of murder and adultery that he had committed. A son of David would lie down to bed with his women. In verse 12 God says: I will do this thing. What this means? God would sovereignly control Absalom to do such a sinful act as a punishment upon David. The fact that God hardens the heart of the wicked to sin, does not mean that God is in favor of this attitude. God condemns all moral evil in His holy law. But the Bible is clear in showing that God is the one who creates and controls all evil. Evil exists because God has directly and actively decreed its existence. God sovereignly controls all creatures that there are so many just as ungodly.

Deuteronomy 2:30 And Sihon the king of Heshbon would not suffer us to pass through him, because the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and hardened his heart to give it into thine hand, as it is this day.
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and will multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. Ex. 7: 3.

For what? What Israel sought did not reach him; but the elect overtook him, and the rest were hardened.

8 As it is written, God gave them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see, and ears to hear, to this day. Romans 11: 7,8.

 

[Sipsey]

It’s funny, how a set of facts can be arranged and rearranged to arrive at diverse conclusions. Context seems to be the factor that sets the facts in order.

I usually quote a verse from the OT that is quoted in the NT, that says, “man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

To make a doctrine from a few verses and then draw conclusions is to denigrate both the Bible and God. It can be done in ignorance or sincerity, and neither is a good excuse.

 

[maxwel]

I'll have to agree with Sipsey.

Tricky Passages:

1. We first have to consider context:
We should study God's character through all of scripture before jumping to conclusions from 1 verse.

2. We then have to consider simple things like basic semantics:
A very broad term like "evil" can often refer to entirely different categories of things.... therefore, it means what it means within proper semantic context; it doesn't mean whatever you happen to want it to mean.

3. If still drawing an odd conclusion, we might defer to some of the great Christian scholars:
Great Christian scholars, for millennia, have tackled and discussed tricky passages... we didn't just discover something new.

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[maxwel]

Mods:
There are two identical threads by the same person on this same topic,
can you please merge them or something?

 

[vinho]

I'll have to agree with Sipsey.

Tricky Passages:

1. We first have to consider context:
We should study God's character through all of scripture before jumping to conclusions from 1 verse.

2. We then have to consider simple things like basic semantics:
A very broad term like "evil" can often refer to entirely different categories of things.... therefore, it means what it means within proper semantic context; it doesn't mean whatever you happen to want it to mean.

3. If still drawing an odd conclusion, we might defer to some of the great Christian scholars:
Great Christian scholars, for millennia, have tackled and discussed tricky passages... we didn't just discover something new.

..

I just use only few passages. But i could explain romans 9, the crucification of Christ was decreed by God for salvation of his chosen ones. And evil acts was determined to happen.

 

[pottersclay]

Author: Elvis Welber
The Lord Creates Evil
Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

It is clearly noticeable in the text above that God is the creator of evil. The word evil comes from the Hebrew ra'râ'âh and applies both to moral evil and to calamities. Nothing that exists in the world came by chance, everything was determined and decreed by God to happen. The LORD has made all things for his own ends, even the wicked, for the day of evil. Proverbs 16: 4.
The Bible clearly shows several passages where God exercises active and sovereign control over ungodly deeds committed by men, let us look at some: 2 Samuel 12.11-12 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up evil out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives and I will give it to your neighbor, who will lie down with your wives before this sun.

12 For thou didst it in secret, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. We see here the punishment of God over David for the sin of murder and adultery that he had committed. A son of David would lie down to bed with his women. In verse 12 God says: I will do this thing. What this means? God would sovereignly control Absalom to do such a sinful act as a punishment upon David. The fact that God hardens the heart of the wicked to sin, does not mean that God is in favor of this attitude. God condemns all moral evil in His holy law. But the Bible is clear in showing that God is the one who creates and controls all evil. Evil exists because God has directly and actively decreed its existence. God sovereignly controls all creatures that there are so many just as ungodly.

Deuteronomy 2:30 And Sihon the king of Heshbon would not suffer us to pass through him, because the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and hardened his heart to give it into thine hand, as it is this day.
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and will multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. Ex. 7: 3.

For what? What Israel sought did not reach him; but the elect overtook him, and the rest were hardened.

8 As it is written, God gave them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see, and ears to hear, to this day. Romans 11: 7,8.

I would have to agree with you on this if I took these examples at face value. God did not create evil. God blessed a certain way to live and respond and he cursed the other. Scriptures are very clear on that. Evil is a result of choosing the wrong path.
God has designed every thing including moral and spiritual living.
As with the story of Cain the grace of the Lord is shown, if Cain choose to do that which was accepted it would be well with him, but he choose not to. Sin lay at the door was Gods warning, Cain later killed his brother.
Pharoh had many chances to heed God's warning, choosing not to was causing a Harding of pride in pharoh. In the end the cost of this pride was answered.
Israels blindness is actually a blessing. For there rejection of Messiah they have been paying for over 2000 yrs as a fulfillment and testament of scriptures. Yet at the end you'll see that the blindness is lifted as they looked on him that was pierced. Bringing redemption to the jews,.
God knowing the end from the beginning is just and merciful in all ways, and his ways are higher than ours.
God cannot look upon sin nor be apart of it, he is holy. Evil is the perpetuation of sin.

 

[JamOn]

I would have to agree with you on this if I took these examples at face value. God did not create evil. God blessed a certain way to live and respond and he cursed the other. Scriptures are very clear on that. Evil is a result of choosing the wrong path.
God has designed every thing including moral and spiritual living.
As with the story of Cain the grace of the Lord is shown, if Cain choose to do that which was accepted it would be well with him, but he choose not to. Sin lay at the door was Gods warning, Cain later killed his brother.
Pharoh had many chances to heed God's warning, choosing not to was causing a Harding of pride in pharoh. In the end the cost of this pride was answered.
Israels blindness is actually a blessing. For there rejection of Messiah they have been paying for over 2000 yrs as a fulfillment and testament of scriptures. Yet at the end you'll see that the blindness is lifted as they looked on him that was pierced. Bringing redemption to the jews,.
God knowing the end from the beginning is just and merciful in all ways, and his ways are higher than ours.
God cannot look upon sin nor be apart of it, he is holy. Evil is the perpetuation of sin.

Did God create satan?

 

[Sipsey]

Did God create satan?

Did God create you?

 

[JamOn]

Did God create you?

And you and Adam, Cain, even the soldiers who pierced his side.

 

[JamOn]

And there might be teeth grinding in the mold factory, but it’s for reason we don’t understand. Though evil is a choice that’s up to the mold, what the mold does is of choice

 

[Sipsey]

Through the Scriptures, mankind is told to “choose.” God could have made His creations to only choose good and to love everyone, but then, that wouldn’t be real choices, would it? Many want to outguess God and say how they would do things a little differently. We have a reliable body of work that tells us a good deal about ourselves and God, but “no one knows the depths and riches of what it means to be a Holy God.”

I suggest we pray and study more, and question God and His motives less.

 

[JamOn]

Through the Scriptures, mankind is told to “choose.” God could have made His creations to only choose good and to love everyone, but then, that wouldn’t be real choices, would it? Many want to outguess God and say how they would do things a little differently. We have a reliable body of work that tells us a good deal about ourselves and God, but “no one knows the depths and riches of what it means to be a Holy God.”

I suggest we pray and study more, and question God and His motives less.

Not in our little human minds, probably even a blade of grass doesn’t grow without His approval.

Yes prayer and study are great tools for spiritual growth, and i think it is ok to sit and reason with Him.

 

[Sipsey]

Not in our little human minds, probably even a blade of grass doesn’t grow without His approval.

Yes prayer and study are great tools for spiritual growth, and i think it is ok to sit and reason with Him.

Isaiah 1:18 King James Version
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

3198. Reason- יָכַח yāḵaḥ: A verb meaning to argue, to convince, to convict, to judge, to reprove. The word usually refers to the clarification of people's moral standing, which may involve arguments being made for them (Job 13:15; Isa 11:4) or against them (Job 19:5; Ps 50:21). The word may refer to the judgment of a case between people (Ge 31:37,42) or even (in the days before Christ) to someone desired to mediate between God and humankind (Job 9:33). The word may also refer to physical circumstances being used to reprove sin (2Sa 7:14; Hab 1:12). Reproving sin, whether done by God (Pr 3:12) or persons (Lev 19:17), was pictured as a demonstration of love, but some people were too rebellious or scornful to be reproved (Pr 9:7; 15:12; Eze 3:26). In Ge 24:14,44, the word referred to God's appointment (or judgment) of Rebekah as the one to be married to Isaac.

 

[RickyZ]

Author: Elvis Welber
The Lord Creates Evil
Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

It is clearly noticeable in the text above that God is the creator of evil. The word evil comes from the Hebrew ra'râ'âh and applies both to moral evil and to calamities. Nothing that exists in the world came by chance, everything was determined and decreed by God to happen. The LORD has made all things for his own ends, even the wicked, for the day of evil. Proverbs 16: 4.
The Bible clearly shows several passages where God exercises active and sovereign control over ungodly deeds committed by men, let us look at some: 2 Samuel 12.11-12 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up evil out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives and I will give it to your neighbor, who will lie down with your wives before this sun.

12 For thou didst it in secret, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. We see here the punishment of God over David for the sin of murder and adultery that he had committed. A son of David would lie down to bed with his women. In verse 12 God says: I will do this thing. What this means? God would sovereignly control Absalom to do such a sinful act as a punishment upon David. The fact that God hardens the heart of the wicked to sin, does not mean that God is in favor of this attitude. God condemns all moral evil in His holy law. But the Bible is clear in showing that God is the one who creates and controls all evil. Evil exists because God has directly and actively decreed its existence. God sovereignly controls all creatures that there are so many just as ungodly.

Deuteronomy 2:30 And Sihon the king of Heshbon would not suffer us to pass through him, because the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and hardened his heart to give it into thine hand, as it is this day.
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and will multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. Ex. 7: 3.

For what? What Israel sought did not reach him; but the elect overtook him, and the rest were hardened.

8 As it is written, God gave them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes not to see, and ears to hear, to this day. Romans 11: 7,8.

My understanding is that the only way God creates evil is by choosing to be absent. Evil cannot stand in His presence, so unless He is absent there can not be any evil. God chose to be absent in this world, thus it has become evil by His doing.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

well I did a little research and you can correct me if I am wrong, but it seems you consider yourself a prophet and you have messages to the church in Brazil, so, unless I am wrong, you are speaking as a prophet here also, meaning a message directly from God via His Holy Spirit

I did find your youtube video and it is you speaking and you are the author here and not just posting

you entitle your video '
Prophet Elvis Welber Received a revelation from God to the Brazilian Church.'


I disagree with your interpretation in your post here and there are several reasons why that is so

you quote Isaiah 45:7 and you do note that the Hebrew word for evil has more than one meaning. However, you do not recognize that the same word does not actually mean evil in the sense we understand it when spoken in English...which is the language being utilized here

the Hebrew word ra'râ'âh means far more than what you say. it can actually mean adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery and similar. various Bibles have the same word translated in keeping with those meanings rather than simply 'evil'

the word can also refer to moral evil and is used often in the Hebrew scriptures so to simply translate it by saying 'evil' it is actually misleading in the context of the verse (context is king) and ignores the common use in other places

when considering all these things as well as context, it makes more sense to understand that God is both rewarding and punishing Israel for obedience and disobedience. God brings judgement on rebellion

what Isaiah is actually saying here is better understood as God brings disaster on those who rebel against Him (that is purposefully and continually)

we find this type of warning in the prophets and they are not saying that God created evil

considering the body of the Bible, we do not find that God has created evil but it can be said He allows it

saying He actually created it would make Him of two minds

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is clearly noticeable in the text above that God is the creator of evil.

No, that is not what that Scripture says. God does create calamities (natural disasters). But sin and evil arise from within the hearts of men.

If you are making God responsible for all the sin and evil in the world, then you are simply doing Satan's bidding.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I posted this in the other (duplicate) thread:


The point being made in Isaiah 45:7 is that there is One God Most High and He is the Creator of all ... the heavens and the earth and all that is therein.

When God created satan, he was the anointed cherub and perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him (Ez 28:14-15).

Did God make satan err in his ways? or did satan, in his lust to be worshipped, cause himself to fall?

God allows evil things to happen. God uses evil to accomplish His eternal purpose which He purposed in Himself. When satan thought he was getting rid of the Lord Jesus Christ by having Him crucified, little did he know that Christ would overcome. If satan had known the mystery of God, he never would have crucified the Lord of Glory (1 Col 2:7-8).

In fullness of time, God will cast the devil into the lake of fire and we will no longer be subjected to his insatiable desire to steal, kill, destroy all that God calls good.

 

[dcontroversal]

God created Lucifer.....he fell by pride and through sin became the Devil........and there is a difference

 

[Nehemiah6]

God created Lucifer.....he fell by pride and through sin became the Devil........and there is a difference

True. But when one is pushing a distorted idea of God's sovereignty, then according to that teaching God "decreed" EVERYTHING -- including sin and evil.

Which makes God ultimately and logically responsible. Hence the misinterpretation of Isaiah 45:7.

 

[MattforJesus]

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Lucifer was created perfect in his ways, until iniquity was found in him, so the angels were created with an innocent nature so God did not create evil there, but they made the choice to do wrong.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

God made man upright, and Adam and Eve were created in the image of God, an innocent nature in flesh, so God did not create evil there, but they made the choice to do wrong.

God did not create evil directly, but evil came about because He created angels, and people with a choice, but God created all things good.