Eternal torment VS Annihilation
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You're right, it is an elementary question......Maybe go read a bit.....and start with the part that calls him.....THAT MAN OF SIN.............!!!!! and then use a little deductive reasoning!
Man you guys will swallow a camel and gag on a gnat while trying to sidestep the simple truths of the bible.........
Man you guys will swallow a camel and gag on a gnat while trying to sidestep the simple truths of the bible.........
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Dude calm down, it was an honest question - I forgot about that part. Geez, I’ve been reading for 3-4 months - give me a break 
Doesn’t change the fact that angels can appear as men
Doesn’t change the fact that angels can appear as men
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Eternal judgment is not speaking about the process of judgment where the individual is being sentenced, but is referring to the outcome of that legal process, which is eternal.
We have many scriptures which point to eternal, punishment, which infers the idea of conscious existence. Regarding those who worship the beast, his image or receive his mark, it is said that those who do so will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. This torment is referring to the lake of fire. Consequently, one would have to be existing in order to be tormented before the holy angels and the Lamb. The torment itself infers on-going punishment and not annihilation. The scripture goes on to say that they will have no rest, day or night and that the smoke of their torment will rise up forever and ever, which means that they would have to be existing in order to experience no rest day or night, as well the smoke of their torment to rise up forever and ever. Remember that the unrighteous dead will also be receiving resurrected bodies mete for their eternal punishment, which is why the smoke of their torment can rise up forever and ever.
If the wicked were just burned up after being thrown in, why give them resurrected bodies?
We have many scriptures which point to eternal, punishment, which infers the idea of conscious existence. Regarding those who worship the beast, his image or receive his mark, it is said that those who do so will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. This torment is referring to the lake of fire. Consequently, one would have to be existing in order to be tormented before the holy angels and the Lamb. The torment itself infers on-going punishment and not annihilation. The scripture goes on to say that they will have no rest, day or night and that the smoke of their torment will rise up forever and ever, which means that they would have to be existing in order to experience no rest day or night, as well the smoke of their torment to rise up forever and ever. Remember that the unrighteous dead will also be receiving resurrected bodies mete for their eternal punishment, which is why the smoke of their torment can rise up forever and ever.
If the wicked were just burned up after being thrown in, why give them resurrected bodies?
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Well, regarding this consider the following: If God has been and continues to send the unfaithful into Hades where they are in torment in flame throughout all of history, why would you think that they would be annihilated in the lake of fire? Again I would ask the question, why would God give the wicked resurrected bodies if He was just burning them up? Not to mention that the teaching of punishment, destruction, perishing, are all supported by the words eternal, everlasting, forever and ever, etc. These words do not convey the idea of temporary punishment, but on-going existence in said punishment.
If God was just going to annihilate the wicked, why send them to Hades? Why not burn them up right away?
Scripture no where teaches annihilation or temporary punishment. It is all conjecture by those who have introduced it.
The consequences are eternal, because all sin committed is against an eternal God.
If God was just going to annihilate the wicked, why send them to Hades? Why not burn them up right away?
Scripture no where teaches annihilation or temporary punishment. It is all conjecture by those who have introduced it.
The consequences are eternal, because all sin committed is against an eternal God.
People to this day believe the lie Satan said to Eve if you eat this fruit you will not die. It was a sin for Eve to eat the fruit. God said the wages of sin is death not eternal torment. Satan said if you sin you won't die. Satan is called the Father of lies. God can not lie.
Why do so many people believe Satan and not believe God?
Why do so many people believe Satan and not believe God?
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By all the underscoring above, it sure seems like you think I have an issue with the word absent. I don't my brother.
Even after the analogy I posed, my point isn't clear for some reason. Likely my fault.
Here's my point as clear as i can make it.
"is to be" is not found anywhere in the scripture.
"and would prefer to be" is.
"is to be" states a fact.
"and would prefer to be" states a desire.
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My point being that Satan said we would not die promoting the immortal that everyone believes when God said if you sin you will die which means we are mortal. Only God has immortality and life everlasting we will not have that until after Jesus comes and we are either translated or resurrected from the dead. Then we are promised eternal life.
The living know that they will die but the dead know nothing they aren't conscience of anything. Our breath of life returns to God when we die as God formed man from the dust of the ground breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and then man became a living soul. There wasn't some spirit flying around waiting to enter mans body at creation and there is not a spirit flying around after we die. Our breath leaves our body and we are dead really dead.
The second death is really dead dead.....know nothing, don't exist Gone Forever. Death is thrown into the lake of fire at the end. It's all over.
The living know that they will die but the dead know nothing they aren't conscience of anything. Our breath of life returns to God when we die as God formed man from the dust of the ground breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and then man became a living soul. There wasn't some spirit flying around waiting to enter mans body at creation and there is not a spirit flying around after we die. Our breath leaves our body and we are dead really dead.
The second death is really dead dead.....know nothing, don't exist Gone Forever. Death is thrown into the lake of fire at the end. It's all over.
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What has prompted your journey to apostasy?
God does not enjoy tormenting souls for eternity. If God enjoyed tormenting souls for eternity He would not have given His own dear Son to make atonement for men who hated and despised Him.
It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance not the severity of God. God simply cannot abide sin in His presence and hell was created for the devil and his angels not for mankind.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God does not enjoy tormenting souls for eternity. If God enjoyed tormenting souls for eternity He would not have given His own dear Son to make atonement for men who hated and despised Him.
It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance not the severity of God. God simply cannot abide sin in His presence and hell was created for the devil and his angels not for mankind.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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What has this to do with apostasy? Of course God does not enjoy it, but why does he do it then? I am convinced that Universal Salvation is false too, nothing defiled can enter heaven, but if God does it enjoy torturing souls forever, then the only solution is that he will destroy them forever and ever.