Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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DeighAnn

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If you have a school master who teaches you the laws, and when you graduate you are told to go teach and baptize, if you discard all you were taught what are you going out to teach?

Why would you go teach the Laws that are not to be used and are to be discarded and not lived by?

How do you convince someone to learn laws that are irrelevant once you graduate?
 
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"Beleive" G4100 -
pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o

To entrust ones fidelity to.

Concordances are not dictionaries.

This one word is in the top ten that every saint should "study to show himself approved" rather than use it "as given by translators" to support a doctrinal bias.
 

DeighAnn

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"Beleive" G4100 -
pisteuō
pist-yoo'-o

To entrust ones fidelity to.

Concordances are not dictionaries.

This one word is in the top ten that every saint should "study to show himself approved" rather than use it "as given by translators" to support a doctrinal bias.
Where do I go to find this information.
 
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Where do I go to find this information.
Note that pisteou is a verb.
The larger body of knowledge on this word comes form Ancient Greek Scholars. Their one word translation is "Obey"

Thayer KJV Bible Dictionary
G4100
πιστεύω
pisteuō
Thayer Definition:
1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
1a) of the thing believed
1a1) to credit, have confidence
1b) in a moral or religious reference
1b1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
1b2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity
2a) to be intrusted with a thing


Here's an excerpt on Ancient Greek Verbs:
Ancient Greek verbs have four moods (indicative, imperative, subjunctive and optative), three voices (active, middle and passive), as well as three persons (first, second and third) and three numbers (singular, dual and plural).


The distinction of the "tenses" in moods other than the indicative is predominantly one of aspect rather than time.

HUH?

Well, that is to say; it needs more than a casual look while my burrito heats up in the microwave ;)
 

DeighAnn

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Note that pisteou is a verb.
The larger body of knowledge on this word comes form Ancient Greek Scholars. Their one word translation is "Obey"

Thayer KJV Bible Dictionary
G4100
πιστεύω
pisteuō
Thayer Definition:
1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
1a) of the thing believed
1a1) to credit, have confidence
1b) in a moral or religious reference
1b1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
1b2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith
2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity
2a) to be intrusted with a thing


Here's an excerpt on Ancient Greek Verbs:
Ancient Greek verbs have four moods (indicative, imperative, subjunctive and optative), three voices (active, middle and passive), as well as three persons (first, second and third) and three numbers (singular, dual and plural).


The distinction of the "tenses" in moods other than the indicative is predominantly one of aspect rather than time.

HUH?

Well, that is to say; it needs more than a casual look while my burrito heats up in the microwave ;)
I, I, I don't know what to say. Do I need to learn all that? No wonder this was one of the languages God chose to write in. You can get super specific just with the verbs. This is going to take a while. Thank you, I think, for answering my question.
 
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I, I, I don't know what to say. Do I need to learn all that? No wonder this was one of the languages God chose to write in. You can get super specific just with the verbs. This is going to take a while. Thank you, I think, for answering my question.

Yeah, more like; yeah, hey thanks a lot! Sheesh! No I know whar you mean. "A workman means it's a bit or a bunch of work. This is the "Seek, Knock, Ask" part of the process.

Do you have eSword?
 

DeighAnn

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Yeah, more like; yeah, hey thanks a lot! Sheesh! No I know whar you mean. "A workman means it's a bit or a bunch of work. This is the "Seek, Knock, Ask" part of the process.

Do you have eSword?
No
 

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Cool!

Well, while you're deciding, is there anyone else here that would like to talk about how they separate the moral laws from the rest?
Certainly, all I need to do is ask when and why certain laws were established. I may not be able to ascertain this with all the laws and ordinances, but I can with many.

When I decide that God instituted whichever for our common good, I keep that as is probably is still pertinent.

Contrary to popular opinion most were not established on Sinai. We have clues in scripture that give a picture of what was started and when. God is love, He doesn't make rules just to make us stumble. :)(y):cool:
 

Dino246

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If you have a school master who teaches you the laws, and when you graduate you are told to go teach and baptize, if you discard all you were taught what are you going out to teach?

Why would you go teach the Laws that are not to be used and are to be discarded and not lived by?

How do you convince someone to learn laws that are irrelevant once you graduate?
Do you use the term, "discard" because others have used it, or because that is your paraphrase of what they have said?

What is the purpose of the schoolmaster? To lead you to Christ! Once you are with Christ, why would you keep running back to ask the schoolmaster questions?
 
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Do you use the term, "discard" because others have used it, or because that is your paraphrase of what they have said?

What is the purpose of the schoolmaster? To lead you to Christ! Once you are with Christ, why would you keep running back to ask the schoolmaster questions?
Schoolmaster is an excellent analogy, but there is no separating the Law from Jesus, He is the LAW. The anointing testifies to the beauty of the law. It doesn't say I'm here to replace you does it? The anointing and Jesus and the LAW are all the same. Because sinful men had no fellowship with Jesus and the anointing there was a written record of their requirements whish are still the same!. The written record, The Law was the only way to reach them and those who listened to the written record recognized the separation between them and their Creator and His Spirit. But the written law after doing it's work is still identical to the requirements of God and His Holy Spirit, so to try to throw it out is practically speaking; absurd!
 

Dino246

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Schoolmaster is an excellent analogy, but there is no separating the Law from Jesus, He is the LAW. The anointing testifies to the beauty of the law. It doesn't say I'm here to replace you does it? The anointing and Jesus and the LAW are all the same. Because sinful men had no fellowship with Jesus and the anointing there was a written record of their requirements whish are still the same!. The written record, The Law was the only way to reach them and those who listened to the written record recognized the separation between them and their Creator and His Spirit. But the written law after doing it's work is still identical to the requirements of God and His Holy Spirit, so to try to throw it out is practically speaking; absurd!
I disagree strongly. Scripture calls Jesus (and He calls Himself) many things, but "Law" is not one of them.

"Throw out" is your term, not mine.
 
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I disagree strongly. Scripture calls Jesus (and He calls Himself) many things, but "Law" is not one of them.

"Throw out" is your term, not mine.

Okay, thats true, you refer to the law as useful, my bad, so many variences to what peoples positions are. Please forgive that it was unintentional.

Who gave The LAW? I Am did. They were an expression of Him

Who did Jesus confirm He was?

Joh 8:58 KJV Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 
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Jesus was born under the law, so he kept the law of Moses.

That said there are a number of issues to understand:

(Gal 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ )

Is the law of Christ the same as the Law of Moses? No.

Paul stated that to be under the law of Moses was to be in effect married/subject to him in his use of the marriage analogy in Romans:

(Rom 7:1-2 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. )

(Rom 7:3-4 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. )

If you are following the law of Moses rather than being "dead" to Moses you are being adulterous and we'd have to stone you :giggle:
 
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DeighAnn

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Do you use the term, "discard" because others have used it, or because that is your paraphrase of what they have said?

What is the purpose of the schoolmaster? To lead you to Christ! Once you are with Christ, why would you keep running back to ask the schoolmaster questions?
I would not have to run back, they are no longer carried on the out side, they have become part of who I am. I can not, no matter how hard I would try be able to get rid of them. Not that I would ever try, I learned them for a reason and that reason was so I could know what Jesus knows and I could walk more like Him. Because I love who He is and all He stands for and I want to emulate Him and I want to have my light shine, and those laws are a part of the Holy Spirit just like Jesus is. It is NOT for a prize, but to be a better person. I like having them on my heart and my mind. I love that poke when my flesh starts trying to do something that goes against my spirit. Those are laws that are keep my flesh from doing what it wants which is sin.

I use discard because I just don't understand and it seems to be a word that 'covers" it. I have tried for the past couple days to get my head around it and I don't think I am an inch closer. I will tell you I stand more firm on what side I am on. I know that when I stand before God giving an accounting of my life, and He is discerning my soul and spirit, He will know I loved His guidance and I loved knowing it was HIS guidance and no others and I love the way He wants me to live my life.

I have for the majority of my life used this knowledge to become a better person. I do not even allow my self to think of who I would have been without them. I am trying not to repeat things that have been said but I am not under them by obligation or law, I need them as I use them all the time. You may have your flesh under control, but my Spirit has to put mine down more often that I would like. Those laws written on my heart keep me strong and keep me solid in my Good vs Evil. They are not heavy, not a burden, they are a life saver and God is not going to look at me and say, "you only wanted eternal life" not in a million years. He is going to look at me and say "you really used the heck out of those" and I am going to say "THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU WITH ME ALL THE TIME"
 
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What does Jesus fulfilling the law mean to you? For you?
Because of Adam's choice to be disobedient to the voice of GOD all creation fell and because man could not measure up to GODs standard of righteousness,man would need a savoir,GOD came to earth came to earth manifested to the senses of man/came to earth In the flesh (JESUS) GOD In CHRIST.
JESUS fully GOD and fully man took the punishment that the law required on our behalf having mercy on us suffered the cross till death being obedient and satisfying the demand of the law and brought In a NEW Covenant,NOW anyone that believes In the WORD will be saved.

ALL the Law and the prophets are summed up In one WORD ,LOVE.
 

Dan_473

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Certainly, all I need to do is ask when and why certain laws were established. I may not be able to ascertain this with all the laws and ordinances, but I can with many.

When I decide that God instituted whichever for our common good, I keep that as is probably is still pertinent.

Contrary to popular opinion most were not established on Sinai. We have clues in scripture that give a picture of what was started and when. God is love, He doesn't make rules just to make us stumble. :)(y):cool:
Thanks! So let's start with this commandant as an example
Exodus 22: 16. "If a man entices a virgin who isn't pledged to be married, and lies with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife. 17. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

It appears to have been given at Sinai. Are you able to be certain of why God gave it?
 

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'God cannot save you' and 'God will not save you' is of the devil.
Amen!

did God really say whoever believes in Him will live, even if they die?
John 11:25 says, yes.
Satan says, no.


who do you believe?
do you cling to doubt or cling to faith?
Believing is not living in willful sin through God's Spirit. NOT some mere profession but a life style through Christ. The wages of sin is death. The the soul that sinneth shall die. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Little children let no man deceive you he that doeth righteous is righteous even as He is righteous he that sin is of the Devil.
(Gal 5:19-21; Rev 21:7-8; Rom 8:13 KJV)
 
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I saw your post with the picture and I thought why are the words " I messed up.I need to call my Dad"look like they are gradually disappearing?

I was wondering If you feel that you must ask forgiveness every time you sin or you won't keep your salvation?