The Greatest of These is......?

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calibob

calibob

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Deade said:
You raise a valid point. Love is not always the easy way. If we condone sinful behavior in the interest of love, we become enablers. The sinner is wallowing in the death throws of a broken world. When someone claims Christ as their Lord and Savior, we owe them an occasion to speak up if we see them wallowing in sin.

James 5:19,20 "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

This is how God would have us deal with each other. :)(y)
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Sometimes love needs to be tough and usually it needs to be honest. "Do these pant's make my butt look fat?" she asked. We always need to be kind.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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calibob said:
Sometimes love needs to be tough and usually it needs to be honest. "Do these pant's make my butt look fat?" she asked. We always need to be kind.
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Does kindness exclude ... for example: you understand communion differently than I do, so I will not take communion with you. Hypothetically speaking as it were.
 
JamOn

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Deade said:
You raise a valid point. Love is not always the easy way. If we condone sinful behavior in the interest of love, we become enablers. The sinner is wallowing in the death throws of a broken world. When someone claims Christ as their Lord and Savior, we owe them an occasion to speak up if we see them wallowing in sin.

James 5:19,20 "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

This is how God would have us deal with each other. :)(y)
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what happens if you let them know but they don’t want no parts of it, let’s say it’s a family member and what they do is hurting themselves more than others.
 
Deade

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JamOn said:
what happens if you let them know but they don’t want no parts of it, let’s say it’s a family member and what they do is hurting themselves more than others.
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Matt. 18:15,16 "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

It's not like we were left without instructions. People being hardheaded is not some new phenomenon. We have another reference to the same:

1 Timothy 5:19 "Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses."

An elder being a minister. Once you have done all this, then you have done your part. Wash your hands of them if they refuse to change. :cool:
 
JamOn

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Deade said:
Matt. 18:15,16 "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

It's not like we were left without instructions. People being hardheaded is not some new phenomenon. We have another reference to the same:

1 Timothy 5:19 "Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses."

An elder being a minister. Once you have done all this, then you have done your part. Wash your hands of them if they refuse to change. :cool:
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the Matt quote seems bit more about trespasses against another, I’m speaking on self destruction

the wiping the feet is probably easier said than done.
 
Deade

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JamOn said:
the Matt quote seems bit more about trespasses against another, I’m speaking on self destruction

the wiping the feet is probably easier said than done.
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If you get two or three together agreeing on the nature of the trespass, you are covered. If in a family, those agreeing should also be of that group. Soon, the rest of the family will be on your side unless you have a highly dysfunctional family. One that would follow a sinner into perdition. :)
 
JamOn

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Deade said:
If you get two or three together agreeing on the nature of the trespass, you are covered. If in a family, those agreeing should also be of that group. Soon, the rest of the family will be on your side unless you have a highly dysfunctional family. One that would follow a sinner into perdition. :)
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Well like a said of not of a trespass there’s a difference I think.
 
JamOn

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And another question is anyone after being saved sinless never to sin again?
 
Deade

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JamOn said:
And another question is anyone after being saved sinless never to sin again?
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What do you think? I think you already know the answer. Can one really live sinlessly? If that were the case, we wouldn't need Christ's sacrifice. Even under the law, there had to be a sacrifice for trespasses committed. No, we can't live sinlessly. That is why we need grace and Christ's blood applied to our sinful natures. Go back and reread Romans 7 & 8 very slowly & carefully. :cool:
 
JamOn

JamOn

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Deade said:
What do you think? I think you already know the answer. Can one really live sinlessly? If that were the case we wouldn't need Christ's sacrifice. Even under the law, there had to be a sacrifice for trespasses committed. No, we can't live sinlessly. That is why we need grace and Christ's blood applied to our sinful natures. Go back and reread Romans 7 & 8 very slowly & carefully. :cool:
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I’d be a fool to say so, and probably not a easy task, to dine with sinners or is it?
 
crossnote

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Locoponydirtman said:
Western culture don't know what love is, and we don't recognize correction as part of Love.
We think disagreement is hate, and if you dare to exclude someone from an event or occasion because disagreement you are a monster.
Why can't I not take communion with someone because we disagree on the sacrament and still love them. I would say that it is indeed love to do so. We disagree on what it is that we are doing, it is holy to me and holy to you, so you do yours and I'll do mine, then we can hang out.
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I think with Communion, is with those you have fellowship (in common) with...

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (KJV) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
 
JamOn

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Does the kindness of God led people to repentance, if so as people should we do the same or not.
 
p_rehbein

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Air Supply chimed in........

"I wanna know what love is..........."

Love IS GOD!

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p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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Paul's teaching on Communion:

1 Corinthians 11:17) Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
 
posthuman

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Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
(John 17:17)​
 
posthuman

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The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge​
(Proverbs 1:7) ​
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what is the beginning of the fear of God?
how does perfect love cast out fear?

what is the beginning of love?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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crossnote said:
I think with Communion, is with those you have fellowship (in common) with...

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (KJV) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
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What I mean is to take communion, as in the Lord's supper. Of course I wouldn't give the sacrament to or take it with an unbeliever. Some Christians have different views, such as Lutheran vs say Baptists. Both of which I disagree with even though I attend a Baptist Church.
 
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