Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

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Nat2019

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Do you understand what Jesus accomplished on the cross?

This is a terrible dosctrine that is so prevalent today on the internet and the street corners..... very sad that you have fallen for this, there is no good news in what you preach.
How do you know what I preach.?
 

Nat2019

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Actually I do agree with the book of James and the book of Romans. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony* (y)

As I already explained in post #593, in James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil

I believe in genuine faith that trusts in Christ alone for salvation and results in producing good works (Ephesians 2:5-10) but we are still saved through faith, not works. Faith is the root of salvation and good works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

It sounds to me like you believe we are saved by faith and works. :cautious:
No not faith + works. Faith with works. The faith James talks about.
 

Nat2019

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Listen I haven't put all beliefs on here. Is that what you want me to do?
 
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No not faith + works. Faith with works. The faith James talks about.
James was not writing about our right standing with God, he was writing about how to show/demonstrate right standing from God to men.

So not even about the Gospel message... his readers were believers who knew the gospel.

The central thesis of James is living under the law of liberty in Christ Jesus
 
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Listen I haven't put all beliefs on here. Is that what you want me to do?
You have put the plan of salvation on here, that is plenty since that is the foundation for everything else.
 

Nat2019

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Where does it say your future sins are forgiven in the bible?
My beliefs are based on the bible as a "whole" but I cannot put the whole bible on here for you too see. So I gave you a variety of scriptures. Not all were to do with salvation. Some where about other topics. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in Faith and Gods grace.
 

mailmandan

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No not faith + works. Faith with works. The faith James talks about.
James is talking about the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - (James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
 
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My beliefs are based on the bible as a "whole" but I cannot put the whole bible on here for you too see. So I gave you a variety of scriptures. Not all were to do with salvation. Some where about other topics. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in Faith and Gods grace.
So far from what you have written I know you believe salvation can be lost correct?
 

Nat2019

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I think there might be a misunderstanding of my beliefs.
I just believe in onc
I think there might be a misunderstanding of my beliefs.
Yes the plan of Salvation.
I think there might be a misunderstanding of my beliefs.
Well I repented of my sins in Godly Sorrow, said sorry to God for my past sins and told him I want to turn away from them. I believe he died for my sins, was buried and rose three days later. I asked the holy spirit to come into me.

So now I must walk with Jesus to the very end to receive the crown of live.
I think there might be a misunderstanding of my beliefs.
So far from what you have written I know you believe salvation can be lost correct?
Salvation can only be lost if a believer continues in practicing sin, if he/ she turns away from the truth/faith, takes the mark of the beast etc. But there were cases such as annanius and saphirra where a person committed 1 sin and they died. But you view that as death I view that as spiritual death. I believe we are justified by faith through Grace and we are justified by his sacrifice. We are also being sanctified. The holy spirit works in us to work for his good pleasure.

Repentance = turning from sin(proving our repentance by our deeds). Scripture found in John.
Faith= Faith that produces good works.
Trusting in Jesus
Enduring to end to get saved. Salvation is a hope yet to be reaped.

We have hope of being saved. Just like the Israelites had hope of entering to the promise land.
 
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I just believe in onc

Yes the plan of Salvation.

Well I repented of my sins in Godly Sorrow, said sorry to God for my past sins and told him I want to turn away from them. I believe he died for my sins, was buried and rose three days later. I asked the holy spirit to come into me.

So now I must walk with Jesus to the very end to receive the crown of live.


Salvation can only be lost if a believer continues in practicing sin, if he/ she turns away from the truth/faith, takes the mark of the beast etc. But there were cases such as annanius and saphirra where a person committed 1 sin and they died. But you view that as death I view that as spiritual death. I believe we are justified by faith through Grace and we are justified by his sacrifice. We are also being sanctified. The holy spirit works in us to work for his good pleasure.

Repentance = turning from sin(proving our repentance by our deeds). Scripture found in John.
Faith= Faith that produces good works.
Trusting in Jesus
Enduring to end to get saved. Salvation is a hope yet to be reaped.

We have hope of being saved. Just like the Israelites had hope of entering to the promise land.
The gospel is not repenting (contrition) of our sins so we can start there.

The Gospel is a change of mind the real meaning of "repentance"

The Gospel is believing in, trusting in completely in heart and mind the finished work of Christ Jesus upon the cross for each one of us personally, we can never earn salvation, we can never be good enough, we acknowledge that salvation is accomplished by Jesus completely and we come to Him in prayer and accept His free gift of salvation.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Nat2019's Post #644: But no she looked down at him with disgust. Such fake love, […]
You just pass judgments without actually asking someone what they believe. Quite sad actually.
Are you sure her motive was "disgust"? Did you ask her what her actual thoughts were, or were you just presuming to know them? :unsure: Did it just appear to be that way, to you?
 

Nat2019

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The gospel is not repenting (contrition) of our sins so we can start there.

The Gospel is a change of mind the real meaning of "repentance"

The Gospel is believing in, trusting in completely in hear than mind the finished work of Christ Jesus upon the cross for each one of us personally, we can never earn salvation, we can never be good enough, we acknowledge that salvation is accomplished by Jesus completely and we come to Him in prayer and accept His free gift of salvation.
Well I guess we follow a different plan of salvation then. And you know jesus can make us good enough because his power sets us free from our sins, so we can be good enough and the seed we get helps us to stop sinning. Gods seed remains in us we cant continue in sin because we are born of God.
 
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That's what I'm asking. Be honest with yourself, no need to post the answer here. God is watching us right now... Who is angry? If any of the sides is angry it's useless to talk.
We have to defend the Gospel, and the anger is towards a very false teaching.
 

Nehemiah6

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Salvation can only be lost if a believer continues in practicing sin, if he/ she turns away from the truth/faith, takes the mark of the beast etc.
You might want to take some time to study this subject properly. There is a lot of spiritual confusion out there.
 

Nat2019

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Are you sure her motive was "disgust"? Did you ask her what her actual thoughts were, or were you just presuming to know them? :unsure: Did it just appear to be that way, to you?
Hi there
You might want to take some time to study this subject properly. There is a lot of spiritual confusion out there.
I have biblical evidence for this;) I already posted it before