Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[SimpleGardner]

Its ok, just wait, many will back me up on this

That man has been here for many years under a few names, and was banned for breaking the rules of this chatroom. Just the fact he is here is a sin, because he is not rendering to the leaders as God demands.

If he confessed and showed fruits f repentance, that would be the most amazing and wonderful thing we have witnessed in awhile here. And everyone would shout for joy.

Sadly.. Some people just continue to do the same stuff..

I am just trying to warn you thats all.. most of us refuse to give him an audience, he is empowered by it.. But you can try,, Of course he agrees with alot you say, so you may not see it.. you have to be open..

I don't know if he is who you say he is, but I do know we can all move on.

When I first came on here in May I think everyone called me petey or something like that and they said I was another guy too. Well, at least I know who I am, but do you know how weird that was?

Do you want to know?

If you ever do just ask.

Anyway, I'm glad to be here and to have an opportunity to have intensive study, but the hostilities are saddening, sometimes they become too much.

I go outside and work and sweat most of the morning from 0300 to 0900 with a few sweat breaks then come in and just want to fellowship, not fight.

One day! One day soon we hope!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I agree FHS,

I wasn't looking for EG to bring evidence against you. I love him too. I just wish he was able to sense how a root of bitterness is plaguing him and us. The admonitions are clear to seek peace and foster kindness. We are all learning, EG too. That alone is a humbling factor that we are in the same boat.

Don't tell any Baptists! They will condemn me and then come over for a drink!

I think even EG knows many of the things you share are good and profitable, but he wont receive i due to what he perceives as bad history.

After being on here for a while and all the abuse I feel I have to go to a bar to get some respect and fellowship! I don't drink though, or not much. Well a little when family visits. I make wine and have nearly 100 bottles put up. in the last 5 years I think have had 2 bottles. But if a friend or family visits I don't mind if they get relaxed.

I am impressed. 100 bottles. I hope the effort is worth it. I know how difficult it is to get a good
flavour even for professionals, so am happy to drink stuff I can buy. We drink a little, a bottle a month
with food. And I agree, some of the approaches are so unexpected and extreme, it makes one wince.

I have met many on the internet, who feel empowered to condemn believers to hell for a few sentences,
which is an indication of their immaturity and lack of understanding of the power of words.

What is said in private or thought, is not ready for the public space, but they share as if it is just innocent
musings. So much sin committed so easily. Some things took me months to get over, because I trusted
the Holy Spirit in some, which was miss placed. I now know the enemy better. It is a learning experience,
to know to turn the other cheek, and nothing shared, no matter how personal, is just the light shinning,
and praise the Lord, it will not return void. But for some, they want to put this light out as quickly as
possible. God bless you.

 

[Marcelo]

Bedtime here too.

Click here for Glad - The Acapella Project

Check out this video!

 

[DeighAnn]

I agree FHS,

I wasn't looking for EG to bring evidence against you. I love him too. I just wish he was able to sense how a root of bitterness is plaguing him and us. The admonitions are clear to seek peace and foster kindness. We are all learning, EG too. That alone is a humbling factor that we are in the same boat.

Don't tell any Baptists! They will condemn me and then come over for a drink!

I think even EG knows many of the things you share are good and profitable, but he wont receive i due to what he perceives as bad history.

After being on here for a while and all the abuse I feel I have to go to a bar to get some respect and fellowship! I don't drink though, or not much. Well a little when family visits. I make wine and have nearly 100 bottles put up. in the last 5 years I think have had 2 bottles. But if a friend or family visits I don't mind if they get relaxed.

Every thing in moderation.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Not to long ago let my dogs out and they were doing the same thing. Looked on the video next day and there was a bob cat crossing the driveway casual as you please. I almost think he was actually teasing them trying to get one of them to chase him, looking for a midnight snack.

Yeah, the rules of engagement are way different in the country than the city!

When I lived in AZ a coworker at the Proving grounds I was working at came in teary eyed one morning. We asked her what was wrong and she told us she let her dog out to take care of business in her back yard, and for all of you who have never lived in AZ backyards are either dirt or gravel, but anyway, when she slipped back the curtains to the sliding patio doors she saw her full grown Rotweiler hanging from the mouth of a mountain lion that quickly jumped over her 8 ft wood fence with her dog in its mouth!

 

[SimpleGardner]

Check out this video!

Wonderfully uplifting isn't it! Smiling and bursting with a desire to praise all at the same time! Thank you

Did you have an opportunity to listen to some of video link I sent?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Not to long ago let my dogs out and they were doing the same thing. Looked on the video next day and there was a bob cat crossing the driveway casual as you please. I almost think he was actually teasing them trying to get one of them to chase him, looking for a midnight snack.

I have seen people who come to forums like this, be baited, winded up, they say something abusive
and open, and then get banned.

For some strange reason, some seem to think this is a beneficial approach. What has been illuminating
was to spot some who know extreme ideas which provoke a response at such a level it is hard to resist
because it hurts. But these guys get here through a life time of training, and are very good at it.

When you know there are no boundaries or things others will bring, it helps know the battle we are in.
In the roman empire, we were thrown to the lions. And this kind of approach has not stopped.

Jesus says simply this

39 Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Matt 5

It is because the driving force is sin, and hurt, and nothing one does will stop this. So do not give them
further excuses, just humbly give way. Giving way is not trying to give harm as they do, but declaring
what is being asked of one, and showing love and support.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Check out this video!

They definitly like the 1940's style! There's one of those in that album I sent you.

 

[DeighAnn]

Yeah, the rules of engagement are way different in the country than the city!

When I lived in AZ a coworker at the Proving grounds I was working at came in teary eyed one morning. We asked her what was wrong and she told us she let her dog out to take care of business in her back yard, and for all of you who have never lived in AZ backyards are either dirt or gravel, but anyway, when she slipped back the curtains to the sliding patio doors she saw her full grown Rotweiler hanging from the mouth of a mountain lion that quickly jumped over her 8 ft wood fence with her dog in its mouth!

That is why we have 6. They are a gang. They very rarely are out alone and never at night alone.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I am impressed. 100 bottles. I hope the effort is worth it. I know how difficult it is to get a good
flavour even for professionals, so am happy to drink stuff I can buy. We drink a little, a bottle a month
with food. And I agree, some of the approaches are so unexpected and extreme, it makes one wince.

I have met many on the internet, who feel empowered to condemn believers to hell for a few sentences,
which is an indication of their immaturity and lack of understanding of the power of words.

What is said in private or thought, is not ready for the public space, but they share as if it is just innocent
musings. So much sin committed so easily. Some things took me months to get over, because I trusted
the Holy Spirit in some, which was miss placed. I now know the enemy better. It is a learning experience,
to know to turn the other cheek, and nothing shared, no matter how personal, is just the light shinning,
and praise the Lord, it will not return void. But for some, they want to put this light out as quickly as
possible. God bless you.

Yes,

most of the bottles are plum and muscadine wine. Experimented with different yeasts, even some champagne yeasts that are uber bubbly. Need ratchet straps to keep the corks in. But yes, the flavors based on yeast and sugar content of fruit, plus what you add and how long you let it ferment and whether you put things like tannins in which can be bitter, but in 5-6 years fall out and leave something extraordinary. One of the batches i used a yeast that doesn't die off too early. Most yeasts are designed to die off at certain alcohol levels. I like to say to splain the process, in country boy terms of course, that yeast eats the fruit and sugar then farts out CO2 and pisses out alcohol! I know it lacks polish, but that's what it does! If you can imagine me out here in the country, no TV staring at a big glass jug of fermenting fruit trying to sort it all out, and well, that's my official synopsis! But back to that one batch, oh yeah each yeast literally dies in its own piss/alcohol. Certain yeasts can produce high levels of alcohol and others less. With the laws being what they are some yeasts are efficient at producing what is a fairly standard legal limit of alcohol by volume, usually 12 some odd %. Well one of the batches I made went up to 23%! Lemme tell you that stuff packs a punch, if you need a punch! Everyone I have given that one to has said wow that one is right! I better stop. Oh, but this year I have a lot of apples so I might make some cider.

Back to the disunity, if we knew one another personally we would probably all tear up thinking about how we treat one another. There has to be a way to keep the adversarial spirit out of our discussions. So we pray, and hope and if that doesn't work we part to insure peace. Hope we don't have to give in.

 

[DeighAnn]

I have seen people who come to forums like this, be baited, winded up, they say something abusive

Are there rules?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Are there rules?

Good question. I did find a list some months ago but cannot at present. God bless you.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Hey EG, Could you copy me a set of rules please?

Thanks

 

[DeighAnn]

Psalm 7:1 O LORD my God, in thee do I put my trust: save me from all them that persecute me, and deliver me:

Psalm 7:2 Lest he tear my soul like a lion, rending it in pieces, while there is none to deliver.

Psalm 7:3 O LORD my God, If I have done this; if there be iniquity in my hands;

Psalm 7:4 If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; (yea, I have delivered him that without cause is mine enemy

Psalm 7:5 Let the enemy persecute my soul, and take it; yea, let him tread down my life upon the earth, and lay mine honour in the dust. Selah.

Psalm 7:6 Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.

Psalm 7:7 So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: for their sakes therefore return thou on high.

Psalm 7:8 The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.

Psalm 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Psalm 7:10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Psalm 7:12 If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.

Psalm 7:13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.

Psalm 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.

Psalm 7:15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.

Psalm 7:16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

Psalm 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high

 

[NayborBear]

Please stop responding to me, You continue to prove you have no clue what I believe, proven by these ridiculous posts. As if I do not believe those things.

You want me to respect you show me some respect by showing you can at least learn what I believe, and not continue to be in darkness and THINK YOU KNOW.

Like I have stated earleir? It is not you, I am responding to!

It is these I am responding to! But, even more then that? The influenceings that these have caused over the course of this heaven/earth age. And the traditions they have created, and upheld, and passed "down" (if you will), AS "traditions of man", which makes VOID the "WORD of God!"

Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Inasmuch, as long as I've been around these forums? And, inasmuch as I've seen Jesus carrying your cross? As it seems your cross is far too hard in you're bearing it? And? That's FINE! For you! And others, as well!
But? Your constant disdaining of, and continually dissuadings, even to a point of teaching that the "picking up of one's own cross, is VERBOTEN? Referring to these one's who DO "pick up their cross", as "works FOR, and/or in the maintaining of one's Salvation?"
Quite LITERRALY? As LAUGHING In God's face!
And, as I said before, EG, Not YOU, per se! But, the "man of sin!"
The matter/s, that you are taking it PERSONALLY?
Is just an indicator, of how MUCH influence, that "man of sin" has had on/over you!
Just as with Adam's INABILITY in taking responsibility for HIS action/interaction with Eve, "AT THE FALL!"
In his blaming God: "You were the one who GAVE woman to me!" Which was satan LAUGHING in Lord God's face through Adam!

And then? You wanting all the particulars, call it "hair splitting", from one who has picked up their cross?
And, your inability in comprehending?
Only ONE remedy sir!
STOP carrying Christ's cross!
One can only become Christlike, when one takes their cross from Christ and carry's their OWN!
Or? In some cases? Myself included? The Father took my cross off Christ, and put it back on me!
Said you're going to handle it! Said I could handle it!
This was after some 15-20 years of not "answering the call", when I was asked, 2 er 3 times: Are you READY YET?" Don't ask me how I KNEW it was the Father. Cuz, t'was just one of those cases where one just KNOWS!

In hindsight? I rather regret not answering SOONER!
T'was told? "It takes as long as it takes!"

In conclusion? Christ's being "our rest" FROM the law! Does in NO WAY mean, "EXEMPT" from the Law!
The healing that comes from, and with being IN Christ? (the tutor). Prepares one for that which comes AFTERWARDS! But, ya GOTTA "pick up yer own cross" to "experience" this!
This is what Paul was trying to "learn" the "Church!" In it's very beginning stages!
THAT? Was 2,000 YEARS AGO!
In answering the question, "Will Christ find faith when He returns?" He surely shall!
Fact of the matter is? The Father will NOT ALLOW Christ TO return!
Psalm 110
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Far as I can tell? This is accomplished by "Priests of God", MAKING a "footstool!"
LOVING "them" into SUBMITTING themselves a footstool?
Don't cut it!
What this "tactic" does accomplish?
Jude
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

This, is what I see occurring:
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

There are many "believers" duped into believing that "everlasting = eternal."
This is not the case! It is, however, a "strong" delusion!
Pick up your cross! So, you may "see" the difference!
Or?
Keep your cross with Christ?
And, you shall be taught the difference!
Those that Christ knows, that is!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Like I have stated earleir? It is not you, I am responding to!

It is these I am responding to! But, even more then that? The influenceings that these have caused over the course of this heaven/earth age. And the traditions they have created, and upheld, and passed "down" (if you will), AS "traditions of man", which makes VOID the "WORD of God!"

Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Inasmuch, as long as I've been around these forums? And, inasmuch as I've seen Jesus carrying your cross? As it seems your cross is far too hard in you're bearing it? And? That's FINE! For you! And others, as well!
But? Your constant disdaining of, and continually dissuadings, even to a point of teaching that the "picking up of one's own cross, is VERBOTEN? Referring to these one's who DO "pick up their cross", as "works FOR, and/or in the maintaining of one's Salvation?"
Quite LITERRALY? As LAUGHING In God's face!
And, as I said before, EG, Not YOU, per se! But, the "man of sin!"
The matter/s, that you are taking it PERSONALLY?
Is just an indicator, of how MUCH influence, that "man of sin" has had on/over you!
Just as with Adam's INABILITY in taking responsibility for HIS action/interaction with Eve, "AT THE FALL!"
In his blaming God: "You were the one who GAVE woman to me!" Which was satan LAUGHING in Lord God's face through Adam!

And then? You wanting all the particulars, call it "hair splitting", from one who has picked up their cross?
And, your inability in comprehending?
Only ONE remedy sir!
STOP carrying Christ's cross!
One can only become Christlike, when one takes their cross from Christ and carry's their OWN!
Or? In some cases? Myself included? The Father took my cross off Christ, and put it back on me!
Said you're going to handle it! Said I could handle it!
This was after some 15-20 years of not "answering the call", when I was asked, 2 er 3 times: Are you READY YET?" Don't ask me how I KNEW it was the Father. Cuz, t'was just one of those cases where one just KNOWS!

In hindsight? I rather regret not answering SOONER!
T'was told? "It takes as long as it takes!"

In conclusion? Christ's being "our rest" FROM the law! Does in NO WAY mean, "EXEMPT" from the Law!
The healing that comes from, and with being IN Christ? (the tutor). Prepares one for that which comes AFTERWARDS! But, ya GOTTA "pick up yer own cross" to "experience" this!
This is what Paul was trying to "learn" the "Church!" In it's very beginning stages!
THAT? Was 2,000 YEARS AGO!
In answering the question, "Will Christ find faith when He returns?" He surely shall!
Fact of the matter is? The Father will NOT ALLOW Christ TO return!
Psalm 110
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Far as I can tell? This is accomplished by "Priests of God", MAKING a "footstool!"
LOVING "them" into SUBMITTING themselves a footstool?
Don't cut it!
What this "tactic" does accomplish?
Jude
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

This, is what I see occurring:
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

There are many "believers" duped into believing that "everlasting = eternal."
This is not the case! It is, however, a "strong" delusion!
Pick up your cross! So, you may "see" the difference!
Or?
Keep your cross with Christ?
And, you shall be taught the difference!
Those that Christ knows, that is!

News flash

I have yet to meet anyone on CC who teaches licentiousness

So you are talking to no one

 

[dcontroversal]

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws. And by these, he and all the nations of the earth are blessed.

Have you written a book for this subject?

Abraham believed God and it was put to hus account for righteousness.....Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law.

The law and prophets were UNTIL JOHN

The Law CONDEMNS ALL AS GUILTY

What the law cannot do in that it is weak through the flesh

We are under GRACE......!!

 

[Karraster]

Just for the record

The man you are talking to

1. Has been banned from this sight at least twice, and is here against the forum rules
2. Is one of the worse offendors when it comes to slandering people
3. When he is called out for his slander, He blame shifts. And refuses to take credit for any sins he commits. He always blames everyone else.

There is a reason not many respond to him, Most have him on ignore.. .

I do not believe you.

 

[Karraster]

I don't know if he is who you say he is, but I do know we can all move on.

When I first came on here in May I think everyone called me petey or something like that and they said I was another guy too. Well, at least I know who I am, but do you know how weird that was?

Do you want to know?

If you ever do just ask.

Anyway, I'm glad to be here and to have an opportunity to have intensive study, but the hostilities are saddening, sometimes they become too much.

I go outside and work and sweat most of the morning from 0300 to 0900 with a few sweat breaks then come in and just want to fellowship, not fight.

One day! One day soon we hope!

There is a handful or so who always use that tactic when they want to get rid of a member. They accuse many new members of being someone else.

 

[Karraster]

News flash

I have yet to meet anyone on CC who teaches licentiousness

So you are talking to no one

False.