Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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or some other lifeform.Like if you think OSAS believers, reply with giant comments, with statements not relating to the bible. If you think most comments just go on about how deceived a person is "who doesnt agree with" John Calvin's theology.
Like if you think OSAS believers don't like to read the scriptures for "what they are".
*Apparently most scriptures in the NT dont apply for today, according to them. They are directed at a group of people personally. Only ones about "belief" apply?. All other scriptures have no benefit to our lives, do they.
Like if you think OSAS believers don't like to read the scriptures for "what they are".
*Apparently most scriptures in the NT dont apply for today, according to them. They are directed at a group of people personally. Only ones about "belief" apply?. All other scriptures have no benefit to our lives, do they.
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Yes, I am pre-trib... and though you and I may have some differences in our views (regarding this doctrine), I THINK we both agree that the passages stating "he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" apply DURING the very specific, future, limited time period leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth (during the time period FOLLOWING our Rapture), and not like how Calvinists [etc] try to apply it to "this present age [singular]" (i.e. NOW), skewing its true application (and also its actual meaning), and, basically wreaking havoc... in the minds of those impacted by such [incorrect] teachings.
Also, I think perhaps you and I agree that Luke 21:36 is not a "Rapture" verse, but applies at the specific time period (like the above) FOLLOWING our Rapture (DURING the trib years):
Luke 21:36 -
Berean Literal Bible -
"Watch also at every season, praying that you may have strength to escape [(active) flee out of] all these things that are about to come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man."
King James Bible -
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape [(active) flee out of] all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
[the above verse, applying (as specific [and direct] "instruction") to those on the earth following our Rapture, DURING the tribulation period (7-yrs/70th-Wk) being completely DISTINCT from that which was stated to/for/about "the Church which is His body" (US), in 1Th5:9-10, "...Who died for us, [in order] that, whether we may watch [same Greek word as in v.6] OR whether we may sleep [same Grk word as in v.6 (NOT the Grk word used for "sleep/died" in chpt 4!)] we should live together WITH [G4862 ('UNIONED-with')] HIM"]
Do we see these several passages in the same way? Meaning especially the ones that pertain specifically to the future tribulation period (following our Rapture/Departure)… so that, those two [basically two] passages that are often misapplied to "this present age" actually pertain to a very specific limited future time period (following our Rapture).
Also, I think perhaps you and I agree that Luke 21:36 is not a "Rapture" verse, but applies at the specific time period (like the above) FOLLOWING our Rapture (DURING the trib years):
Luke 21:36 -
Berean Literal Bible -
"Watch also at every season, praying that you may have strength to escape [(active) flee out of] all these things that are about to come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man."
King James Bible -
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape [(active) flee out of] all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
[the above verse, applying (as specific [and direct] "instruction") to those on the earth following our Rapture, DURING the tribulation period (7-yrs/70th-Wk) being completely DISTINCT from that which was stated to/for/about "the Church which is His body" (US), in 1Th5:9-10, "...Who died for us, [in order] that, whether we may watch [same Greek word as in v.6] OR whether we may sleep [same Grk word as in v.6 (NOT the Grk word used for "sleep/died" in chpt 4!)] we should live together WITH [G4862 ('UNIONED-with')] HIM"]
Do we see these several passages in the same way? Meaning especially the ones that pertain specifically to the future tribulation period (following our Rapture/Departure)… so that, those two [basically two] passages that are often misapplied to "this present age" actually pertain to a very specific limited future time period (following our Rapture).
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