Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Humble myself?
Should not those who are slandering others be the ones who need to be humbled?
I just stated a fact no one here teaches licentiousness
The person said he was talking to those people
So I correctly stated then that he was speaking to no one. Because he is not. Those people do not exist in CC
Should not those who are slandering others be the ones who need to be humbled?
I just stated a fact no one here teaches licentiousness
The person said he was talking to those people
So I correctly stated then that he was speaking to no one. Because he is not. Those people do not exist in CC
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It's true in all the time I have been here I've seen a lot of heresy but I have never seen anyone preaching that we should be all the more wicked because grace abounds. And I have never seen anyone saying there is no need to repent or that there is no consequence to forsaking righteousness.
But I have seen an hundred people falsely accuse everyone who rejoices in the sufficiency of the work of Christ of those very things.
But I have seen an hundred people falsely accuse everyone who rejoices in the sufficiency of the work of Christ of those very things.
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Yeah, my understanding is that you believe all of Revelation is past tense, so I guess you are in another time and space.
Yes I guess I am... along with John Gill, Adam Clarke, Jonathon Edwards, R. C. Sproul etc., etc., I think I am in pretty good company.
K
I don't think for one NY minute that I can earn my salvation. I've said that to you many times, but you will not hear me. I love God's laws, all of them. I love Him, His laws are beautiful and loving, protecting...if only everyone would obey them what a wonderful world it would be! There would be no more shootings. We wouldn't have to lock our doors at night, one day we who are children of the Most High will enjoy being able to obey His laws without persecution. What a wonderful day that will be when our King comes back.
K
The name calling.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
You were the one who accused me of being two other people on another thread which was an error or lie. Which you have never even given a hint of remorse for.....NEVER! Now you want me to think you are not doing the same? If you wish to prove your accusation then do so. Otherwise this is chatter.
Honestly, to all who sadly are reading this display;
Where is the charity?
Where is the brotherly kindness?
Where is the honor?
Where is the desire to restore?
Where is the hope?
Where is the desire to build up?
Where is the Patience?
Where is the goodness
Where is the self control?
Where is even a shred of worldly decency?
Anyone who doesn't have these things cannot be effective and productive in their knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, rather they are nearsighted and blind and: HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT HE HAS EVER BEEN CLEANSED FROM PAST SINS! 2Pe 1:8-9
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Accuser of the brethern.....the pot calling the kettle black......you just ruined any possible truthful stance.....and can you pull up a quote where I SAID FOR SURE YOU WERE SOMEONE ELSE....Petey on the other hand has been nailed two or three times.....so..........whose your daddy??
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First thing You left out an important part of the opening clause. "that is"
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:6-9 KJV)
In each instance that "that is" is used prior. What precedes it is connected to what is after it.
Time to get ready for work. Will post more later on this GOD willing.
Let's get through Romans first. If we can do that then we can move on to Galatians.
So again...
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:6-9 KJV)
In each instance that "that is" is used prior. What precedes it is connected to what is after it.
Please follow along in the first instance. "that is, to bring Christ down from above"
Here is the second instance. "that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead"
And lastly; "that is, the word of faith, which we preach"
What is the Faith in which we Preach? Christ through which the word, the Law, God's Commandments are in the heart, mind and mouth that is the Faith in which we preach.
Faith being the subject. In this same discourse Paul stated Rom 9:33
"But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
The Word. the Law, God's Commandments never settled in their hearts. God through Paul paraphrased Deut. 30:10-14 to show the Judean and Gentile readers that the Gift of God working in the hearts of His children through His Spirit had been available since the start of Moses' Ministry.
Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it (his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul) unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it (his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, (the word through Christ) and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul) unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word (Christ) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
The Gift of Christ working in the heart has been available from the creation of the world.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.(Rom 10:6-9 KJV)
In each instance that "that is" is used prior. What precedes it is connected to what is after it.
Time to get ready for work. Will post more later on this GOD willing.
Let's get through Romans first. If we can do that then we can move on to Galatians.
So again...
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.(Rom 10:6-9 KJV)
In each instance that "that is" is used prior. What precedes it is connected to what is after it.
Please follow along in the first instance. "that is, to bring Christ down from above"
Here is the second instance. "that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead"
And lastly; "that is, the word of faith, which we preach"
What is the Faith in which we Preach? Christ through which the word, the Law, God's Commandments are in the heart, mind and mouth that is the Faith in which we preach.
Faith being the subject. In this same discourse Paul stated Rom 9:33
"But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
The Word. the Law, God's Commandments never settled in their hearts. God through Paul paraphrased Deut. 30:10-14 to show the Judean and Gentile readers that the Gift of God working in the hearts of His children through His Spirit had been available since the start of Moses' Ministry.
Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it (his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul) unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it (his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, (the word through Christ) and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul) unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word (Christ) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
The Gift of Christ working in the heart has been available from the creation of the world.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Thank you for the thoughtful reply
I agree with your assertion in paragraph 1 "this does not set aside what it pointed out..." The way I see it Abraham forsaw the redemptive work of Jesus on the Cross and reached forward in time, through faith and grabbed that redemption for Himself!
Your words "boy doncha get tired" where you are confusing me for someone else. There is a difference which I think you will see if you pause and consider that I agree with you! I can't keep going over this if you don't want to hear what I am saying. We must look like two football players on the same team trying to tackle one another!
I personally love the laws of God. I expect nothing out of loving them, but that does not change my heart towards them. I love Jesus and many in this world hate him but that cannot stop me from loving Him. And I will never stop sharing what I find beautiful about the Law and if you have read my posts you will also see that I make clear esp to those seeking forgiveness/redemption that it is a gift to be accepted or rejected.
I think there are spoilers in the ranks that like to condescend on men like me and many just fall in an begin to shoot without identifying their targets.
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Greetings Karios,
Ask yourself how you would have reacted if you had walked in on Jesus' conversation with the Pharisees in John chapter 8. Not knowing either you would be assaulted much like you are now. Or even where Jesus was overturning the money changers tables. Sure hindsight is 20/20 but then realize that in many of these debates there are several possible scenarios;
1 two passionate people with differing view points
2 two passionate people with similar viewpoints with the spirit of confusion looming large
3 two passionate people with similar viewpoints with the spirit of contention looming large
4 two passionate people with opposing viewpoints where Love and brotherly kindness, and patience is not looming large on one or possible both sides.
There are 98 other scenarios just to make a point.
You will find that the sensibilities that the Holy Spirit gives most of us on here are offended much like you are.
In a faceless (not face to face) forum like this many who have no inhibitions from the Holy Spirit or gifts of Love come across as carnal religionists. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. It would have been premature to walk in on Jesus talking to the pharisees and condemn the lot.
Sorry you have to be witness to this. Follow the Holy Spirits lead that something is wrong, but be careful to discern the actual error.
Bless YHWH!
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