Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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Wow I guess he didnt have any reason to die for you, because I have been dishonest over my life. That's why Jesus died to forgive me from the sins I committed
Your being dishonest here. I admitted I have made mistakes. Yet you act as if I think I am perfect.
Way to go man. Way to go..
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Romans 5:5 [blb] -
"And hope does not make us ashamed, because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts through [/by means of] the Holy Spirit, the One having been given to us."
[and]
"the fruit OF the Spirit [HIS fruit] is love..." - Gal5:22 (not something we muster up from within ourselves)
"And hope does not make us ashamed, because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts through [/by means of] the Holy Spirit, the One having been given to us."
[and]
"the fruit OF the Spirit [HIS fruit] is love..." - Gal5:22 (not something we muster up from within ourselves)
A was at the bus stop a few years ago and a women told me "God loves you", then she looked down on a man with missing fingers, who had a drinking problem and gave him evil eyes. Why not tell the drunk man that God Loves him. But no she looked down at him with disgust. Such fake love, only choosing who you will love.
Alot of you people are exacly like this women from OSAS. You look down on others with disgust and I read your comments
Alot of you people are exacly like this women from OSAS. You look down on others with disgust and I read your comments
Some have mentioned being sick at reading certain statements of faith.
So this sentiment certainly has been shared in the past. And those who have shared this are
from the OSAS camp.
Part of their emotional language has been to create the disgust emotion when talking to people with
certain beliefs. I know many religious groups who use the disgust response in their followers to gain
and reinforce identity. Once you have created this emotion about an individual, it is much harder to
be sympathetic to their position or expressions, no matter how valid they might be.
I had not thought much about this before, but now it makes a lot more sense. Unfortunately I have
little respect for individuals who spread these ideas, especially against the Lords people. They are no
friends of the Lord.
If someone has genuine saving faith in Christ and have received the Holy Spirit, it would be impossible for them to have NO love at all. Paul uses hyperbole (obvious and intentional exaggeration) about understanding ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge and having faith that can move mountains yet having NO love.
Paul is not exaggerating about the importance of love though. Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6), but we are saved through faith, not faith plus love. Love is the greater quality of the three because God is love and it outlasts them all. Long after faith and hope are no longer necessary, love will still be the governing principle that controls all that God and his redeemed people are and do. We won't need faith and hope in heaven.
So Paul is not teaching that even if our faith is genuine that our faith cannot save us without producing "enough" love. Paul is stressing the importance of love, not teaching that faith is insufficient to save us without our best efforts to love. All genuine BELIEVERS love Christ. Why? Because we have received the love of God in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5) when we believed the gospel (Ephesians 1:13). We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19).
Paul is not exaggerating about the importance of love though. Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6), but we are saved through faith, not faith plus love. Love is the greater quality of the three because God is love and it outlasts them all. Long after faith and hope are no longer necessary, love will still be the governing principle that controls all that God and his redeemed people are and do. We won't need faith and hope in heaven.
So Paul is not teaching that even if our faith is genuine that our faith cannot save us without producing "enough" love. Paul is stressing the importance of love, not teaching that faith is insufficient to save us without our best efforts to love. All genuine BELIEVERS love Christ. Why? Because we have received the love of God in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5) when we believed the gospel (Ephesians 1:13). We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19).
