4 of Satan’s biggest lies to born-again believers

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preston39

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Nehemiah6 said:
No one earned, merited, or deserved the GIFT of eternal life, and no one can maintain it either.
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I don't know what Bible you follow but, it is wrong.

If you do not prepare your heart through repentance, baptism and living a righteous life and you have not..."maintained until the end". Your eternal salvation is lost.

Your position on this smacks of new age religion stuff and is not supported by the Bible...KJV 1611 edition.

The fundamentals of G-d's intent does not change.
 
dcontroversal

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gb9 said:
this is true, but the here is the biggest lie-

belief and faith and trust in Christ is not enough and will not save you, you have to earn or maintain your salvation.

that is the biggest lie.
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Pretty much every thing he said is poppycock based upon context and all the other scriptures that contradict the blather in the op...
 
dcontroversal

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gb9 said:
nope. total lie.

Paul clearly states that our salvation is NOT of ourselves, but a gift of God.

so, if one has to properly obey, then that makes it of oneself .

obedience is a result of salvation , not a maintainer.
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And the gift is IRREVOCABLE.......he is just another one in a long line that devalue Jesus, his blood, his sacrifice, his power and his promises while basically calling God a lying inept loser that cannot keep his word.....a legalist that enslaves by dogma.....
 
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BCsenior said:
Have you ever seen any NT verses which warn about the Holy Spirit leaving us?
But, even though He dwells in us ...
we can still become estranged from Christ and fall from grace (Galatians 5).
Agreed?
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Grieve is not lose.....nor is there a verse that states we are unsealed.....
 
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FollowHisSteps said:
A little too simplistic.
All of your sins (past, present, future) have been forgiven
All of your sins have been forgiven - when we come to Christ this is true, because we have
repented of our sins and accepted the cross as the atoning sacrifice.
This does not change our potential or remove our struggles with sin

You are now righteous
We are righteous because we have been forgiven and have faith in Jesus.
Imputed righteousness through faith is our state. But if we sin, we need to repent and get
right with God. It is our faith that maintains our righteousness and not our behaviour, but
our behaviour will destroy our faith if we continue in wilful sin.

You are now holy
We are holy, as God cleansed people. It is the washing in Christ that makes us holy,
and why the Holy Spirit can dwell within us.

You have been saved and you can never lose your salvation
The cross brings us security of salvation, and maintains our fellowship in the Spirit.
Denying this dependency that salvation is abiding, living, loving is not faith.
Being sealed without the desire to stay abiding and staying, is not salvation.
Knowing we can walk away is not the same as actually doing it.
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There is not much more to say than this. Pretty cut and dry if you will.

I will continue in relying upon Christ for my salvation, sanctification, and justification. I know who I am and except for Christ that pretty miserable. I alone am a wretched sinner, with Christ I am saved by him, in his blood in his promise, in his strength. He saved me and maintains me. I fall, but he rescues me.
 
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preston39 said:
I don't know what Bible you follow but, it is wrong.

If you do not prepare your heart through repentance, baptism and living a righteous life and you have not..."maintained until the end". Your eternal salvation is lost.

Your position on this smacks of new age religion stuff and is not supported by the Bible...KJV 1611 edition.

The fundamentals of G-d's intent does not change.
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Romans 3:10 states "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one"

And yet you are saving yourself by "living a righteous life".

You have no concept of Bible truth.
 
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preston39 said:
I don't know what Bible you follow but, it is wrong.

If you do not prepare your heart through repentance, baptism and living a righteous life and you have not..."maintained until the end". Your eternal salvation is lost.

Your position on this smacks of new age religion stuff and is not supported by the Bible...KJV 1611 edition.

The fundamentals of G-d's intent does not change.
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Just to let you know----
You are not "living a righteous life".
As hard as you may try, you will fail as we all do.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
... I am saved by him, in his blood in his promise, in his strength.
He saved me and maintains me.
I fall, but he rescues me.
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Are you involved in habitual sin, i.e. unrepentant sin?
If so, you are NOT in a state (condition) of salvation ...
UNTIL you sincerely repent, i.e. stop doing that sin, or those sins.

Now, perhaps the LORD will not allow such a person to die ...
UNTIL he/she sincerely repents, i.e. stops doing that sin, or those sins.
That's entirely possible.
 
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SpoonJuly said:
Romans 3:10 states "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one"
And yet you are saving yourself by "living a righteous life".
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FYI, this verse refers to people before they become born-again.
Then, at that instant, they are declared righteous, and etc.

After, if they're practicing righteousness, they remain righteous in God's eyes!
Would you like to see ALL of the NT verses about "practicing righteousness".
 
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"For we are His workmanship, having been created [G2936 - ktizo/ktisthentes] in Christ Jesus for […]" - Eph2:10.

"having been created IN Christ Jesus" [CREATED<---powerful word here ;) (only God can do)]
 
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BCsenior said:
FYI, this verse refers to people before they become born-again.
Then, at that instant, they are declared righteous, and etc.

After, if they're practicing righteousness, they remain righteous in God's eyes!
Would you like to see ALL of the NT verses about "practicing righteousness".
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We are to strive to live a righteous life.
We all fail.
Let me repeat---We all fail.
YOU FAIL,
If you believe you are living with out sin, you are deceiving yourself.
If you say you are with out sin, you are calling God a liar.
Study 1 John.

So buy your false teaching, one would have to be saved on a daily basis.

How many times have you been saved?
 
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The author of this OP as bought into satans lies. I wish him luck in his endevour to earn his own salvation.
 
Gregoryp

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Nehemiah6 said:
No one earned, merited, or deserved the GIFT of eternal life, and no one can maintain it either.
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so, lets say we buy a classic car, here in Australia that would be a 1985 Nissan pulsar turbo hatchback. Now we hire a mechanic/artisan to rebuild it back to new. Then we take it home, we don't service it , wash it, vacuum it , drive it on 4wd tracks, then when it breaks down, we take it back to the artisan and complain that he didn't do his job and the car failed? So therefore we want our money back? No I didn't think so either
 
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Gregoryp said:
so, lets say we buy a classic car, here in Australia that would be a 1985 Nissan pulsar turbo hatchback. Now we hire a mechanic/artisan to rebuild it back to new. Then we take it home, we don't service it , wash it, vacuum it , drive it on 4wd tracks, then when it breaks down, we take it back to the artisan and complain that he didn't do his job and the car failed? So therefore we want our money back? No I didn't think so either
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How is this relevant?
 
Gregoryp

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Just because Jesus has refurbished you back to new, doesn't mean he has the responsibility of keeping you that way , you have to be as sin free as possible, worship God etc, do all the things that the bible tells you to do . Its a gift, its up to you to maintain it. Saving puppies and kittens from the animal shelter won't get you to heaven either
 
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Gregoryp said:
Just because Jesus has refurbished you back to new, doesn't mean he has the responsibility of keeping you that way , you have to be as sin free as possible, worship God etc, do all the things that the bible tells you to do . Its a gift, its up to you to maintain it. Saving puppies and kittens from the animal shelter won't get you to heaven either
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You give yourself to much credit man.
You can’t save yourself. And you have no power to keep yourself.
 
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preston39 said:
But, you can ......unseal yourself..... during the life on this earth by loosing your born again status.
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Paul said 3 times we are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption. And in no case any time did he give any exception which would cause that seal to be lost. Before that time.

I suggest you listen to paul. And not the ones telling you this stuff. Because they are wrong.
 
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