Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Are there bonus points for confirmed "condemnation" ? Can you cash them in like the Catholics do their indulgences? You sound like you are savoring your perceived gotcha!

Do you agree or disagree with this post?

Because the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

 

[SimpleGardner]

And you tell me if you agree with the person or not?

Remember, the person denys that what he teaches, then there you have in his own words.

Why do you continue to defend certain people. Yet continue to attack others?

I talking about what seems like gloating! I/you/we should/can call it out anytime in anyone. It just offends the sense of brotherly kindness, and patience we should be demonstrating to young Christians especially! Did you see the "new member" who commented a couple weeks ago; "What's wrong with you people?" ? that's second hand from a young Christian how much more severely do you think Jesus would speak to us? If you answer; "Oh no, we are under grace" then you are misapropriating GRACE and tempting GOD!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I talking about what seems like gloating! I/you/we should/can call it out anytime in anyone. It just offends the sense of brotherly kindness, and patience we should be demonstrating to young Christians especially! Did you see the "new member" who commented a couple weeks ago; "What's wrong with you people?" ? that's second hand from a young Christian how much more severely do you think Jesus would speak to us? If you answer; "Oh no, we are under grace" then you are misapropriating GRACE and tempting GOD!

So you can’t answer?

And we are not allowed to expose a false truth when it is there in black and white? Sorry, Poeple do it all the time in here, and have been for years.

I do not know what worries more

The fact you are more worried about me calling a person out. Or your refusal to disagree with the person yourself. (Thus in fact enabling him to continue in his false truth)

 

[NayborBear]

Do you agree or disagree with this post?

There he goes!
Into his "Pigeon Act!"
Knocking over the pieces, pooping all over the chessboard?
Then Struttin' around acting, and talking like he won!

Such a loser!

Such a WANNA BE "Control Freak!"

Answer ME! Because I'm IGNORING you!

T'wouldst be pretty funny, if it weren't so pathetic, and sad!

 

[SimpleGardner]

Do you agree or disagree with this post?

You see the problem is that you see the law from South to North and we see it from North to South.

In other words you think we are interpreting it as if we pull ourselves from the pit of death/South to Justification/redemption North while we are saying that after we are redeemed by Grace and gifted Justification from the curse of Death/South and then begin walking by the Grace of God and the anointing of the Holy Spirit in Heavenly places/North we find the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin and through Grace giving us a heart that delights in the Law and our new desire to Keep it as we acquiesce to those promptings to give that carnality to Him as He reveals it to us. It's not legalism if we recognize that our participation is to acknowledge each sin, repent from it and allow His miracle sanctifying work within our hearts. Can a man try to obey the law from his own strength? Yes, and can he succeed in mechanically stopping that sin, yes, and yes this is legalism, and under these personal efforts he may avoid the sin but he cannot change the heart that committed them. Only God can change the man from within to will to do of His good pleasure through His Holy Spirit, but in the end His good pleasure is His Laws!

 

[SimpleGardner]

So you can’t answer?

And we are not allowed to expose a false truth when it is there in black and white? Sorry, Poeple do it all the time in here, and have been for years.

I do not know what worries more

The fact you are more worried about me calling a person out. Or your refusal to disagree with the person yourself. (Thus in fact enabling him to continue in his false truth)

If he disagrees with what I said then let him and if you disagree with it then you say so!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You see the problem is that you see the law from South to North and we see it from North to South.

In other words you think we are interpreting it as if we pull ourselves from the pit of death/South to Justification/redemption North while we are saying that after we are redeemed by Grace and gifted Justification from the curse of Death/South and then begin walking by the Grace of God and the anointing of the Holy Spirit in Heavenly places/North we find the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin and through Grace giving us a heart that delights in the Law and our new desire to Keep it as we acquiesce to those promptings to give that carnality to Him as He reveals it to us. It's not legalism if we recognize that our participation is to acknowledge each sin, repent from it and allow His miracle sanctifying work within our hearts. Can a man try to obey the law from his own strength? Yes, and can he succeed in mechanically stopping that sin, yes, and yes this is legalism, and under these personal efforts he may avoid the sin but he cannot change the heart that committed them. Only God can change the man from within to will to do of His good pleasure through His Holy Spirit, but in the end His good pleasure is His Laws!

No the problem is if someone comes and tells everyone to jump off the bridge to their death, And someone lie me tries to expose whaty they are doing’’You will tell me they are not telling anyone to jump of the bridge.

The man said obedience to the law is what gives eternal life.

For once in your life. Call it for what it is.. You either agree with him or you do not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If he disagrees with what I said then let him and if you disagree with it then you say so!

Well I think we all see you agree with him because you refuse to say he is wrong

That’s scary!

 

[SimpleGardner]

Well I think we all see you agree with him because you refuse to say he is wrong

That’s scary!

Sorry I haven't read his posts, when I came in I saw yours and just commented on what I saw.

You and I have a rapport!

 

[Dan_473]

Just came in and also just went back and reread our post volly. Did you ever reply an answer as to who was under the Law covenant at the time Jesus walked among us?

No, I don't think I ever did give an answer as to who was under the Law covenant at the time Jesus walked among us, partly because it was originally a conversation between you and posthuman. I was interested in following that exchange, so I wanted to know how you were defining some of the words.

But if you are asking me, I would say that it was those who were living largely according to the covenant at the time of Jesus. Mostly people around Palestine, but some probably in the dispersion as well.

Does it relate to how we keep the law today, in your view?

 

[Yahshua]

Hi, thanks for the reply! No, I wasn't feeling left out, it's that on a fast-moving thread like this, I don't read every post. I tend to just check my alerts page, because anytime someone quotes a post that I wrote, it shows up there. So if someone doesn't reply to my post, I probably won't see their response.


It sounds like in your view, then, a mature believer, someone who has read the commandment about not mixing wool and linen, if they then wear clothes made of linen and wool blends, they are not following the written prescription that you talked about in your analogy. They are not living by every word.

Am I understanding you correctly?

And in your view, does this also apply to Cotton and polyester blends?

Assuming "mature believer" means someone who also has faith in Christ.

As point of fact, correct, one who knows to do right but willingly does not, to him it is sin.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the second question though, to be honest...

Let's take tattoos. Let's say prior to Christ a worldly person went and got a body full of tattoos. Now let's say that after coming to Christ they swore off getting tattoos because they read that Israel was commanded not to have tatoos...but his body is full of them, head to toe, and he can't afford to remove them.

Would he be given mercy? Of course. He doesn't want them and wants to be pleasing to Yah but can't do anything about his past. Is wearing tattoos against Yah's law. Yes. But his past was forgiven the moment he converted, and in his heart he wants to be pleasing to Yah and is not willing to have them anymore.

As far as blends, most of us don't make our own clothes. Living is this world of darkness, which was purposely designed to be contrary to the law of Yah (if only many of us knew what time it really was in this great drama), we're in a difficult situation where we MUST do our best to endure.

Can you afford to buy new clothes without blends? If the answer is no but your heart is in the right place not to want to wear them, are you given mercy? Of course. Same as the law of sacrifice. Can't afford to as instructed so mercy is given.

The tablets of the law were always covered by the mercy seat.

The heart that says "meh it's impossible to do so I'm not going to worry about it" is different from the heart that says "I don't know if it's possible to do but I want to do it and I'm going to try my hardest to please Yah by His grace."

One buries his talent of faith underground while the other works his talent of faith to reap a return from it, to make the Master proud when He returns.

 

[DeighAnn]

For those people who descended from Jacob, those who stopped following the law of Moses after the northern kingdom split, I believe those people were no longer considered Israelites, the covenant people of God back then.

Certainly after the bulk of them were carried off to Assyria, they stopped keeping even the most basic laws, like circumcision. Why do I think this? because a people group following the law of Moses in a gentile world stick out like sore thumbs.

I think there is something in the old covenant about if you do not practice circumcision, you are cut off from God's people.

I don't think that once Israelites get assimilated, they continue to somehow be hidden Israelites centuries later.

Numbers 23: 9. For from the top of the rocks I see him. From the hills I see him. Behold, it is a people that dwells alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.

Israel always dwells alone, separately. Even people like Daniel during the Babylonian exile, still lived a very separate lifestyle.

I do understand they quit abiding by the Mosaic Covenant but the Abrahamic Covenant was an everlasting one. Gen 17:4-7.
Heb 6:13-20 because God had sworn to it by an oath and because it was impossible for God to lie, the Covenant is immutable. It doesn't depend on the "descendants".

 

[SimpleGardner]

I do understand they quit abiding by the Mosaic Covenant but the Abrahamic Covenant was an everlasting one. Gen 17:4-7.
Heb 6:13-20 because God had sworn to it by an oath and because it was impossible for God to lie, the Covenant is immutable. It doesn't depend on the "descendants".

Yeah, the Abrahamic covenant is like if I said I was going to send you a check for $100/month for life no matter what. No conditions at all.

 

[DeighAnn]

There he goes!
Into his "Pigeon Act!"
Knocking over the pieces, pooping all over the chessboard?
Then Struttin' around acting, and talking like he won!

Such a loser!

Such a WANNA BE "Control Freak!"

Answer ME! Because I'm IGNORING you!

T'wouldst be pretty funny, if it weren't so pathetic, and sad!

Funny enough even I remembered it long enough to tell someone. (usually impossible)

 

[Yahshua]

Greetings Y,

I wonder if being involved or ascribing to "Reformed Theology" has anything to do with this contention. I am leaning to Yes.

My attituse has not been the best so I cannot say much, but I am embarrassed by many of their misrepresentations and misquotes and outright False accusations. Although, lately they have been a bit more civil I have been on the receiving end of quite a few mean spirited and foul worded replies.

I've lost my cool many times here, regrettably. It takes a lot to get me ruffled, but the times it happens I feel bad and must retreat for a bit. I try to remember that our war isn't with flesh and blood but principalities.

Even if we have disagreements, there's no reason to engage as enemies. Even if I am seen as an enemy, Christ said love your enemies.

I'm willing to reason through the scriptures as we all seek the truth together, wherever that may lead...but we have to be honest about what we're reading.

 

[Yahshua]

Yep they can

You said obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life.

Thats a false gospel.. I bet most of them would disagree with you. But you will not ge tthem to acknowledge that. Because you agree with them

I'll let the post speak for itself.

 

[DeighAnn]

Yeah, the Abrahamic covenant is like if I said I was going to send you a check for $100/month for life no matter what. No conditions at all.

I have a great little book that is all about it that is very eye opening. It puts all of Gods Word into a different light and really shows the hand of God in all that has/is going on in the world.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I've lost my cool many times here, regrettably. It takes a lot to get me ruffled, but the times it happens I feel bad and must retreat for a bit. I try to remember that our war isn't with flesh and blood but principalities.

Even if we have disagreements, there's no reason to engage as enemies. Even if I am seen as an enemy, Christ said love your enemies.

I'm willing to reason through the scriptures as we all seek the truth together, wherever that may lead...but we have to be honest about what we're reading.

Yeah, I get reffled too and a bit of a smart axx to. Not good, I know and as you said there are principalities a work here! Stirring us all up against one another.

Bless YHWH! For His Spirit that convicts and delivers us from ourselves!

 

[DeighAnn]

I've lost my cool many times here, regrettably. It takes a lot to get me ruffled, but the times it happens I feel bad and must retreat for a bit. I try to remember that our war isn't with flesh and blood but principalities.

Even if we have disagreements, there's no reason to engage as enemies. Even if I am seen as an enemy, Christ said love your enemies.

I'm willing to reason through the scriptures as we all seek the truth together, wherever that may lead...but we have to be honest about what we're reading.

Don't any of you stop. I am learning a ton everyday.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The law given by GOD to Moses IS spiritual but man Is Carnal.
GOD In CHRIST told the rich young ruler to keep the ten commandments and we know that no man with the seed of adam can keep the ten commandments so then somebody might ask,why would GOD tell someone to do something that they can’t do without HIS help.

Answer=Where we are weak HE IS Strong.