Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[SimpleGardner]

So I quoted him saying obedience to the la leads to eternal life.

Was I wrong?

Or do you agree with him?

Righteousness is the end result of the Holy Spirit anointing that yes, leads to Everlasting life! Do we accomplish it? No, we get out of the way... acquiesce! No room to boast there! But many give way to besetting sins and then as James said:

Jas 1:13-15 KJVA Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Brother I am not going to enter an argument with anyone about once saved always saved! I've seen both sides of that argument and just realize we have no business even making an argument on this! Our part is repentance! Forget the rest of the argument!

 

[Yahshua]

I would quote scripture explaining my choice and why I think it applicable to and appropriate for myself. This happens to me fairly often.

I wouldn't say 'I explained this once 6 years ago so I'm not going to tell you now'

Lol I guess that's the difference between us. I'm about moving on not readdressing the same things over and over again to appease those who didn't pay attention the first time...wait, those words sound familiar

Hebrews 5:12 and Hebrews 6:1 come to mind.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I have a great little book that is all about it that is very eye opening. It puts all of Gods Word into a different light and really shows the hand of God in all that has/is going on in the world.

That could be handy and could be risky interpretations. Rely on the Holy Spirit for Confirmation!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry I haven't read his posts, when I came in I saw yours and just commented on what I saw.

You and I have a rapport!

Sorry, But you have been reading my posts. You read his, Because I quoted him in a response to you and asked if you agreed with him.

And your response was that I misread him

 

[SimpleGardner]

Gotta run to the lumber yard! They are throwing away 7" x 9" cutoffs from milling railroad ties! some are nearly 3' long! Solid Ash! Not much more of that left. Burns nearly PERFECT, low smoke, odor, and ash! What's not to like? I heat with wood. Have a wood/cook stove. Great for bakin taters in the middle of winter! especially sweet taters!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'll let the post speak for itself.

It did

Because the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

There is no way to spin this. Just take it at face value

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Righteousness is the end result of the Holy Spirit anointing that yes, leads to Everlasting life! Do we accomplish it? No, we get out of the way... acquiesce! No room to boast there! But many give way to besetting sins and then as James said:

Jas 1:13-15 KJVA Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Brother I am not going to enter an argument with anyone about once saved always saved! I've seen both sides of that argument and just realize we have no business even making an argument on this! Our part is repentance! Forget the rest of the argument!

Lol

You can not give a straight answer can you?

I will give you that much, You are persistent, The sad thing ism It is not really a thing I would be proud of.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That could be handy and could be risky interpretations. Rely on the Holy Spirit for Confirmation!

Satan comes as an angel of light

What many think the HS is saying, is not the HS.

As I showed earlier, the HS does not contradict himself.

 

[posthuman]

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

Galatians 3:21-22
if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

 

[posthuman]

To say eternal life is gained by obedience to the law is a pretty straightforward direct contradiction of the gospel.

 

[Dan_473]

Assuming "mature believer" means someone who also has faith in Christ.

As point of fact, correct, one who knows to do right but willingly does not, to him it is sin.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the second question though, to be honest...

Let's take tattoos. Let's say prior to Christ a worldly person went and got a body full of tattoos. Now let's say that after coming to Christ they swore off getting tattoos because they read that Israel was commanded not to have tatoos...but his body is full of them, head to toe, and he can't afford to remove them.

Would he be given mercy? Of course. He doesn't want them and wants to be pleasing to Yah but can't do anything about his past. Is wearing tattoos against Yah's law. Yes. But his past was forgiven the moment he converted, and in his heart he wants to be pleasing to Yah and is not willing to have them anymore.

As far as blends, most of us don't make our own clothes. Living is this world of darkness, which was purposely designed to be contrary to the law of Yah (if only many of us knew what time it really was in this great drama), we're in a difficult situation where we MUST do our best to endure.

Can you afford to buy new clothes without blends? If the answer is no but your heart is in the right place not to want to wear them, are you given mercy? Of course. Same as the law of sacrifice. Can't afford to as instructed so mercy is given.

The tablets of the law were always covered by the mercy seat.

The heart that says "meh it's impossible to do so I'm not going to worry about it" is different from the heart that says "I don't know if it's possible to do but I want to do it and I'm going to try my hardest to please Yah by His grace."

One buries his talent of faith underground while the other works his talent of faith to reap a return from it, to make the Master proud when He returns.

I was asking about the cotton polyester blends because I didn't know if, in your view, the idea of not wearing mixed stuff extended to mixing fabrics of different kinds or if it was specific to linen and wool.

I get the feeling that you do believe it applies to cotton polyester blends, since you talked about if people can afford to buy single fabric clothing, that is the right thing for the person of faith in Christ to do.

I spent some time looking at Amazon and found the most socks and underwear contain some spandex. What's in your drawer? Are they true single fabric garments?
What kind of jacket do you have? Is it a single fabric? Or maybe a polyester fill with a nylon lining?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To say eternal life is gained by obedience to the law is a pretty straightforward direct contradiction of the gospel.

But I misread him..lol

 

[Yahshua]

Sorry, But you have been reading my posts. You read his, Because I quoted him in a response to you and asked if you agreed with him.

And your response was that I misread him

Wouldn't it be easy enough to simply block me EG? But no you won't do that will you, because you must 0_0 defeat me right?

It did



There is no way to spin this. Just take it at face value

Like I said, dishonest practices. You're doing what the pharisees would do. Below is the full post, at true face value without removal of any other text.

Doesn't matter how many times you quote the incomplete post the full post remains for the record.

Anyone can click on my name below to confirm the full post to see it wasn't added to or taken away from.

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Because

...the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

This is how Christ saved us, to give us his Spirit, to walk as he walked in the flesh.

The job isn't complete until you're dead or transformed.

"He that endures to the end, the same shall be saves."

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I gave you both the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of Christ together in one nice succinct post.

- Salvation from Christ isn't everlasting life. It's freedom from the bondage of sin, and receipt of The Holy Spirit.

- Everlasting life, is the promised reward of the kingdom of Heaven; immortal transformed bodies. Glory. Which only comes through obedience becausethe law is life.

One is freedom from the angel of death in Egypt by the lambs blood. The other is the crossing over into the glorious promised land.

Are you freed from sins bondage through the blood of the lamb, EG? Yes, through faith.

Do you currently have everlasting life, EG? No. That comes when Christ returns and rewards the obedient.

"Good master, what must i do to inherit eternal life?"

"Obey the commandments."

"I've done that since I was little."

"Then there's one last thing, sell everything, give the money to the poor and follow me."

Revelation 14:12
"Here is the patience of the saints, they that (a) keep the commandments of God and (b) the faith of Jesus."

 

[posthuman]

Righteousness is the end result of the Holy Spirit anointing that yes, leads to Everlasting life!

But dear, the Bible says righteousness is by faith, and no flesh is justified by the law.

 

[posthuman]

But I misread him..lol

Smh

And it'd apparently be different if only you quoted his whole post instead of only the thrust of his argument

 

[posthuman]

Wouldn't it be easy enough to simply block me EG? But no you won't do that will you, because you must 0_0 defeat me right?



Like I said, dishonest practices. You're doing what the pharisees would do. Below is the full post, at true face value without removal of any other text.

Doesn't matter how many times you quote the incomplete post the full post remains for the record.

Anyone can click on my name below to confirm the full post to see it wasn't added to or taken away from.

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...the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

This is how Christ saved us, to give us his Spirit, to walk as he walked in the flesh.

The job isn't complete until you're dead or transformed.

"He that endures to the end, the same shall be saves."

-----

I gave you both the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of Christ together in one nice succinct post.

- Salvation from Christ isn't everlasting life. It's freedom from the bondage of sin, and receipt of The Holy Spirit.

- Everlasting life, is the promised reward of the kingdom of Heaven; immortal transformed bodies. Glory. Which only comes through obedience becausethe law is life.

One is freedom from the angel of death in Egypt by the lambs blood. The other is the crossing over into the glorious promised land.

Are you freed from sins bondage through the blood of the lamb, EG? Yes, through faith.

Do you currently have everlasting life, EG? No. That comes when Christ returns and rewards the obedient.

"Good master, what must i do to inherit eternal life?"

"Obey the commandments."

"I've done that since I was little."

"Then there's one last thing, sell everything, give the money to the poor and follow me."

Revelation 14:12
"Here is the patience of the saints, they that (a) keep the commandments of God and (b) the faith of Jesus."

Little one, the righteousness that saves is not the obedience to the law, but the obedience to the gospel, which is grace, not works, lest any should boast. The one who does no works yet believes in God, who justifies the ungodly, is called righteous by God for his faith. Have you never read the epistles at all?

If you lack understanding you should ask God. He is faithful.

She preens herself in the mirror thinking to win His heart with her makeup and adornment, but it is because of her heart that He loves her and has chosen her to be His own.
It's cute, but misguided.

 

[NayborBear]

Assuming "mature believer" means someone who also has faith in Christ.

As point of fact, correct, one who knows to do right but willingly does not, to him it is sin.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with the second question though, to be honest...

Let's take tattoos. Let's say prior to Christ a worldly person went and got a body full of tattoos. Now let's say that after coming to Christ they swore off getting tattoos because they read that Israel was commanded not to have tatoos...but his body is full of them, head to toe, and he can't afford to remove them.

Would he be given mercy? Of course. He doesn't want them and wants to be pleasing to Yah but can't do anything about his past. Is wearing tattoos against Yah's law. Yes. But his past was forgiven the moment he converted, and in his heart he wants to be pleasing to Yah and is not willing to have them anymore.

As far as blends, most of us don't make our own clothes. Living is this world of darkness, which was purposely designed to be contrary to the law of Yah (if only many of us knew what time it really was in this great drama), we're in a difficult situation where we MUST do our best to endure.

Can you afford to buy new clothes without blends? If the answer is no but your heart is in the right place not to want to wear them, are you given mercy? Of course. Same as the law of sacrifice. Can't afford to as instructed so mercy is given.

The tablets of the law were always covered by the mercy seat.

The heart that says "meh it's impossible to do so I'm not going to worry about it" is different from the heart that says "I don't know if it's possible to do but I want to do it and I'm going to try my hardest to please Yah by His grace."

One buries his talent of faith underground while the other works his talent of faith to reap a return from it, to make the Master proud when He returns.

The very "heated discussions", stems to the lack of interest from some believers into their "seeking out" the government that is one the shoulders of Jesus Christ their Lord and Savior!
Outside of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit? There IS "no government!" IOW? There is no there there!
Even though the Prophet Isaiah made such an announcement!
So, when one starts "delving into" THE GOVERNMENT of "Titles and Names?"
That one, or those ones? INSTANTLY "pigeon-holed" aka "labeled", as "Hebrew Roots!" Of the which, are already an included set of parameters, INCLUDED WITH the label! WRITTEN IN STONE too, mind ya! To the which? One needs go NO further!
The voidness of the Word of God, over the years has "stigmatized" this label! and given cause for those with "the label" to be chastised, rebuked, ridiculed and mocked!
So, like the "sheeple" they are, in FEARING that which they do not, and in most cases CAN NOT know? They scream! "AVOID!" "AT ALL COSTS!" "They are NOT one of US!"

That? Friends and Neighbors? Is correct! I am NOT a "one of US!'
Fact of the matter is? Leastwise in MY case? I USED TO BE A SHEEPLE!
1 Corinthians 13
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

As Jesus and the Father, move from "mansion to mansion" in the Father's house? And brings, in this case me, with them?
Not only do I learn these things? Such as "Names and Titles." I also develop the desire, and aspiration, in the learning of more! And in some mansions? Being learnt! Which can be quite painful, in the convicting!

To which, sheeple see as "works for", and the maintaining OF salvation? Which, it isn't. It is however, part of the grafting process, that is REQUIRED, should one wish to become more mature in the Spirit!

Wanna label that as "Hebrew Roots?"
Go right ahead!
I'll WEAR THAT SUCKER LIKE A "CAMPAIGN RIBBON!"










What they do not know is?

 

[Dan_473]

I do understand they quit abiding by the Mosaic Covenant but the Abrahamic Covenant was an everlasting one. Gen 17:4-7.
Heb 6:13-20 because God had sworn to it by an oath and because it was impossible for God to lie, the Covenant is immutable. It doesn't depend on the "descendants".

Yes, the abrahamic covenant is an everlasting one. I do see that an individual can be cut off from the covenant people.
Genesis 17: 14. The uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant."

So all those individuals who were carried off to Assyria and stopped practicing the law of Moses, especially circumcision, they would have been cut off from God's people.

So the covenant is forever, but people can be taken out of the nation with whom the covenant is made.

I think it's interesting to that it's not just the northern kingdom that gets taken off to Assyria, but large portions of the southern kingdom as well. If I remember right, out of the kingdom of Judah only the city of Jerusalem is not captured by the Assyrians.

 

[posthuman]

Salvation from Christ isn't everlasting life. It's freedom from the bondage of sin, and receipt of The Holy Spirit.

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

you may want to read Romans 6-8 and find out how it is that we came to be saved from sin.

If you find wisdom you'll even sort out why my avatar and screen name make sense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wouldn't it be easy enough to simply block me EG? But no you won't do that will you, because you must 0_0 defeat me right?

Defeat you? Is that what you think this is?

You defeated yourself when you claimed obedience to the law was the means to eternal life. I am just exposing you.

Like I said, dishonest practices. You're doing what the pharisees would do. Below is the full post, at true face value without removal of any other text.

Doesn't matter how many times you quote the incomplete post the full post remains for the record.

Anyone can click on my name below to confirm the full post to see it wasn't added to or taken away from.

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...the law isn't the problem. You are. I am.

The obedience to the law is what leads to everlasting life. That's why we need Christ in our lives...to empower us to do what Christ did...obey.

This is how Christ saved us, to give us his Spirit, to walk as he walked in the flesh.

The job isn't complete until you're dead or transformed.

"He that endures to the end, the same shall be saves."

-----

I gave you both the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of Christ together in one nice succinct post.

- Salvation from Christ isn't everlasting life. It's freedom from the bondage of sin, and receipt of The Holy Spirit.

- Everlasting life, is the promised reward of the kingdom of Heaven; immortal transformed bodies. Glory. Which only comes through obedience becausethe law is life.

One is freedom from the angel of death in Egypt by the lambs blood. The other is the crossing over into the glorious promised land.

Are you freed from sins bondage through the blood of the lamb, EG? Yes, through faith.

Do you currently have everlasting life, EG? No. That comes when Christ returns and rewards the obedient.

"Good master, what must i do to inherit eternal life?"

"Obey the commandments."

"I've done that since I was little."

"Then there's one last thing, sell everything, give the money to the poor and follow me."

Revelation 14:12
"Here is the patience of the saints, they that (a) keep the commandments of God and (b) the faith of Jesus."

You said obedience to the law is what gives us eternal life.

Thats all we needed to see.

If you thought we were saved by grace, You would say so. But no, You did not. You said we have to obey to be saved.

News flash. You can not obey the law in a manner in which you can be saved.

Do you really wnt me to break your whole post down? I will do it for you. And it will show what I have been saying the past hour or so.