Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Psalm 51
Have mercy upon me O God according to thy loving kindness according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies
blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions and my sin is ever before me.
Against thee and thee only have I sinned and done this evil in thy sight that thou mightiest by justified
When thou speakest and be clear when thou judgest
Behold I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me
Behold thou desirest truth in the inward parts and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom Purge me with hyssop and I shall be clean wash me and I shall be whiter than snow
Make me to hear joy and gladness that the bones which thou has broken may rejoice
Hide thy face from my sins and blot out all mine iniquities
Create in me a clean heart O God and renew a right spirit within me
Cast me not away from thy presence and take not thy Holy Spirit away from me
Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation and uphold me with thy free spirit
Then will I teach transgressors thy ways and sinners shall be converted unto thee
Deliver me from bloodguiltiness O God
Thou God of my salvation and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness
O Lord open thou my lips and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise
for thou desirest not sacrifice else would I give it
thou delightest not in burnt offering
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit and a broken and contrite heart
O God thou wilt not despise
Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion build thou the walls of Jerusalem
Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness with burnt offering and whole burnt offering then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar
Have mercy upon me O God according to thy loving kindness according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies
blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions and my sin is ever before me.
Against thee and thee only have I sinned and done this evil in thy sight that thou mightiest by justified
When thou speakest and be clear when thou judgest
Behold I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me
Behold thou desirest truth in the inward parts and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom Purge me with hyssop and I shall be clean wash me and I shall be whiter than snow
Make me to hear joy and gladness that the bones which thou has broken may rejoice
Hide thy face from my sins and blot out all mine iniquities
Create in me a clean heart O God and renew a right spirit within me
Cast me not away from thy presence and take not thy Holy Spirit away from me
Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation and uphold me with thy free spirit
Then will I teach transgressors thy ways and sinners shall be converted unto thee
Deliver me from bloodguiltiness O God
Thou God of my salvation and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness
O Lord open thou my lips and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise
for thou desirest not sacrifice else would I give it
thou delightest not in burnt offering
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit and a broken and contrite heart
O God thou wilt not despise
Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion build thou the walls of Jerusalem
Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness with burnt offering and whole burnt offering then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar
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The law of Moses, exact with no give or take, was done away with. Jesus Himself as he walked among us was already changing them, He being bound by only obedience to God. The things He did, that the Pharisees and whoever tried to call Him on, was to show to us that all those meticulous points that all explain a part of who God is or wants or whatever, aren't about exactness. When you love someone, you have rules, if the person breaks the rules there is correction but always love. Men could not do Gods laws with LOVE TO EACH OTHER. The flesh being stronger than the Spirit. Jesus showed us to walk in love of the treating each other with respect and kindness and to allow those laws to lead our minds to the "right" way of seeing the situation as opposed to "mens eyes" which are cruel and vicious and envious towards each other when they do not possess the Sprit of the Lord.
The Law is good. Do you know why? Because everything God created is ruled by laws. Without laws there is no life. The law is good for life. WE THE PEOPLE, need laws or else we don't do well. Look at countries who governments have collapsed. It is NEVER EVER pretty when man is in charge with out God. The rich get richer......It isn't about the WORDS written, it is about the SENTIMENT to be taken.
The Law is good. Do you know why? Because everything God created is ruled by laws. Without laws there is no life. The law is good for life. WE THE PEOPLE, need laws or else we don't do well. Look at countries who governments have collapsed. It is NEVER EVER pretty when man is in charge with out God. The rich get richer......It isn't about the WORDS written, it is about the SENTIMENT to be taken.
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Please don't take me wrong, dear! I'm not laughing at you!
I'm laughing, at our similiar abilites of being "technologically challenged!"
Far as your post goes?
I'm laughing, at our similiar abilites of being "technologically challenged!"
Far as your post goes?
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Guilty of one what? Are you referring to the law of Moses? The one no Christian or Gentile has ever been under? The hard one put away for the soft and loving one to replace it. Yeah, NO on can ever "Break one Break them all" ever again or has been able to in the last 2000 years.
It is like there was a house everyone lived in. Then a flood came and it went away in the water never to be seen again. And a new house was put in its place. No one, no matter what, can ever live in that first house again. 2000 years later, still no one can live in that house. Do you see what I mean? New House. Better House Old house no more.
It is like there was a house everyone lived in. Then a flood came and it went away in the water never to be seen again. And a new house was put in its place. No one, no matter what, can ever live in that first house again. 2000 years later, still no one can live in that house. Do you see what I mean? New House. Better House Old house no more.
I suggest Romans chapter two and three...........like.....EVERY MOUTH and the WHOLE WORLD seems clear enough........and if one is not condemned under the law they need not be saved......so.....you ever....
Lie?
Disrespect your parents?
Not put God first?
Lust after a man?
Have sex outside marriage?
Steal?
Commit adultery or fornication?
Have an idol?
etc..............
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no-one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
Lie?
Disrespect your parents?
Not put God first?
Lust after a man?
Have sex outside marriage?
Steal?
Commit adultery or fornication?
Have an idol?
etc..............
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no-one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
When Christ walked the earth, and He fulfilled the law, what He did was perfect, or He did it perfectly? I think the answer tells you and I more about who we are today then what may have actually happened.
Have you read a section of the Bible and it was totally true, and then come back a year later and with all the wisdom and knowledge you acquired in that past year, read that same passage, and though it is still true as you read it then it is also a different kinda of true. And you thought "How can this be"? Then it started happening more and those truths became all the more true? I sound like a nut maybe? Unless it has happened and you know what I am talking about. Then I am the most sane person in the room.
Have you read a section of the Bible and it was totally true, and then come back a year later and with all the wisdom and knowledge you acquired in that past year, read that same passage, and though it is still true as you read it then it is also a different kinda of true. And you thought "How can this be"? Then it started happening more and those truths became all the more true? I sound like a nut maybe? Unless it has happened and you know what I am talking about. Then I am the most sane person in the room.
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@DeighAnn
Far as I can tell concerning "true gracers?"
Are they saved? Yes! For the time being!
Are they mixed up? Yes!
As they believe "preservation" of the saints is the same as "perseverance" of the saints. Far as I can ascertain.
Pretty similar spellings, although, the meanings of the 2 are different.
Preservation by "grace through faith!" (lest any of them boast)
Works?
ANY "works", other then that of love? Is viewed as "works for" or the MAINTAINING of Salvation! Remember, they are saved by "Grace through faith!" Therefore, any "works" through, peace, joy, hope, patience, longsuffering, temperance, using self control? Are ALL "covered" by "love."
When anyone. And I mean anyone, comes in here talking about the "Kingdom, and "joint heirs WITH Christ?"
They get as busy as a "cat trying to cover up poop on a marble floor" in condemning them, and their beliefs.
Not, realizing, or worse, being "willingly ignorant", that one cannot be a "joint heir with Christ", as long as they "remain IN Christ!" Herein, lies the differences between "preservation" and "perseverance."
In essence? They are not "stablishing" the law! Just "preserving" it!
THAT'S the difference!
In their frantic efforts, using love, as a guise, in exposing these ones, they deem as "enemies" of their "saved by grace through faith alone?"
They, in most cases, unknowingly, or unwittingly "expose" the "whitewash" and "untempered mortar" upon their walls.
Ezekiel 13
7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
18 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Ya see how God was talking to and treating the nation of Israel?
Isn't it funny, how much things change, how much they remain the same?
Actually? It isn't funny!
Ain't funny, at all!
Far as I can tell concerning "true gracers?"
Are they saved? Yes! For the time being!
Are they mixed up? Yes!
As they believe "preservation" of the saints is the same as "perseverance" of the saints. Far as I can ascertain.
Pretty similar spellings, although, the meanings of the 2 are different.
Preservation by "grace through faith!" (lest any of them boast)
Works?
ANY "works", other then that of love? Is viewed as "works for" or the MAINTAINING of Salvation! Remember, they are saved by "Grace through faith!" Therefore, any "works" through, peace, joy, hope, patience, longsuffering, temperance, using self control? Are ALL "covered" by "love."
When anyone. And I mean anyone, comes in here talking about the "Kingdom, and "joint heirs WITH Christ?"
They get as busy as a "cat trying to cover up poop on a marble floor" in condemning them, and their beliefs.
Not, realizing, or worse, being "willingly ignorant", that one cannot be a "joint heir with Christ", as long as they "remain IN Christ!" Herein, lies the differences between "preservation" and "perseverance."
In essence? They are not "stablishing" the law! Just "preserving" it!
THAT'S the difference!
In their frantic efforts, using love, as a guise, in exposing these ones, they deem as "enemies" of their "saved by grace through faith alone?"
They, in most cases, unknowingly, or unwittingly "expose" the "whitewash" and "untempered mortar" upon their walls.
Ezekiel 13
7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
18 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Ya see how God was talking to and treating the nation of Israel?
Isn't it funny, how much things change, how much they remain the same?
Actually? It isn't funny!
Ain't funny, at all!
No, I am saying that both JEWS and GENTILES (THE WHOLE WORLD) is guilty before GOD because of the LAW directly and or in case of the GENTILE indirectly as Romans 2 and 3 states.....JESUS satisfied the requirements of the LAW and in so doing made HUMANITY redeemable.
AND NOW, as Romans states.....the righteousness of CHRIST has been PUT to our ACCOUNT without the DEEDS/WORKS of the law by FAITH. We have been declared innocent (justified/a legal term) because we have been covered by the BLOOD of Christ dia faith and by this we have been born again from above by incorruptible seed.........
and the thing that blows my mind....HOW MANY believe that SEED can be corrupted.......
AND NOW, as Romans states.....the righteousness of CHRIST has been PUT to our ACCOUNT without the DEEDS/WORKS of the law by FAITH. We have been declared innocent (justified/a legal term) because we have been covered by the BLOOD of Christ dia faith and by this we have been born again from above by incorruptible seed.........
and the thing that blows my mind....HOW MANY believe that SEED can be corrupted.......
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But that is a bone of contention, I thought. There can be no maintenance of Salvation or it is not a gift. That is as far as I got and I figured I better do them one at a time.
Here is ONE of my things. Up until Satans arrival, it does not matter what "you believed" if you died before that day, only that you took Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
The ONLY ones to be truly effected by "what the Bible really says" are those who "go through" the trib and that matters because of the stand they either will or wont make, and the mark the either will or wont take.
Here is ONE of my things. Up until Satans arrival, it does not matter what "you believed" if you died before that day, only that you took Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
The ONLY ones to be truly effected by "what the Bible really says" are those who "go through" the trib and that matters because of the stand they either will or wont make, and the mark the either will or wont take.