Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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NayborBear

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Ask God to reveal these things to you. In the name of Christ who "strengthens" you.

For, it is not mine to teach you these things (above my pay grade).

Is just mine to share, in the testimony I give in the telling.

Was it this post, or another you wrote, concerning reading the Bible. Coming back to the same passage after awhile, and it meaning something different.

So it is with posts I type out. Come back to 'em after awhile, and exclaim to myself:
"Did I really say that?" :unsure::love::)
 

DeighAnn

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No, I am saying that both JEWS and GENTILES (THE WHOLE WORLD) is guilty before GOD because of the LAW directly and or in case of the GENTILE indirectly as Romans 2 and 3 states.....JESUS satisfied the requirements of the LAW and in so doing made HUMANITY redeemable.

AND NOW, as Romans states.....the righteousness of CHRIST has been PUT to our ACCOUNT without the DEEDS/WORKS of the law by FAITH. We have been declared innocent (justified/a legal term) because we have been covered by the BLOOD of Christ dia faith and by this we have been born again from above by incorruptible seed.........

and the thing that blows my mind....HOW MANY believe that SEED can be corrupted.......
But does that belief land them in a different place in the end? No. Because they called on Jesus. They just walked a different life. Really the ONLY difference will be when the books are opened and that isn't till the end of the millennium and by then every good soul will be in great shape.
 

NayborBear

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But that is a bone of contention, I thought. There can be no maintenance of Salvation or it is not a gift. That is as far as I got and I figured I better do them one at a time.


Here is ONE of my things. Up until Satans arrival, it does not matter what "you believed" if you died before that day, only that you took Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

The ONLY ones to be truly effected by "what the Bible really says" are those who "go through" the trib and that matters because of the stand they either will or wont make, and the mark the either will or wont take.
If you can't see these current days we are in as "tribulating?"
Dunno what to tell ya. :unsure:
 

DeighAnn

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Ask God to reveal these things to you. In the name of Christ who "strengthens" you.

For, it is not mine to teach you these things (above my pay grade).

Is just mine to share, in the testimony I give in the telling.

Was it this post, or another you wrote, concerning reading the Bible. Coming back to the same passage after awhile, and it meaning something different.

So it is with posts I type out. Come back to 'em after awhile, and exclaim to myself:
"Did I really say that?" :unsure::love::)
It was not to this post it was to one way, way back. There are whole posts that if they weren't attached to my name I wouldn't believe I wrote them. But that one is on purpose. Am I the nut or the sanest one in the room? I am ok with either.
 

DeighAnn

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No, I am saying that both JEWS and GENTILES (THE WHOLE WORLD) is guilty before GOD because of the LAW directly and or in case of the GENTILE indirectly as Romans 2 and 3 states.....JESUS satisfied the requirements of the LAW and in so doing made HUMANITY redeemable.

AND NOW, as Romans states.....the righteousness of CHRIST has been PUT to our ACCOUNT without the DEEDS/WORKS of the law by FAITH. We have been declared innocent (justified/a legal term) because we have been covered by the BLOOD of Christ dia faith and by this we have been born again from above by incorruptible seed.........

and the thing that blows my mind....HOW MANY believe that SEED can be corrupted.......
But isn't that what it was always all leading up to? And yes, we are all saved by His blood, whether we walk this way or walk that way. It is all about the love. But, and, I so shouldn't do this I must like pain, there isto be a "society". there are those who will be least in the kingdom, there will be those who reign, those on the other side, Satan went from a prince to a king. How does that work?
 

DeighAnn

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If you can't see these current days we are in as "tribulating?"
Dunno what to tell ya. :unsure:
Please really check it out and ponder before you get mad at me,
These days leading up to his coming when you hear of "wars and rumors of wars and famines and .....all those things" be NOT

But it is when you hear "Peace and safety" Then sudden destruction of Gods people being taken in.

it is spiritual, it is war for the souls. He is coming doing miracles

How does he come in? Peacefully and prosperously

the tribulation is great for all those who don't know, or care or are deceived, PHYSICALLY. The ripping and shredding and dying and death are "of the souls of the children of God being ripped away from Him and they don't EVEN know it is happening, they think the real Christ has returned.

Think back. When Satan was with Jesus what did he want? When he was protecting the mercy seat, what did he want? When he will be standing in the temple what will he be claiming?

He wants to be God. If you are going to be worshipped like a God you have to act like one. That's the deception. He wants to be worshipped as God. He will proclaim he is God. He is going to fix the deadly wound. The whole world will "worship after him" He knows he has but a short time. He hates God and wants as many souls as he can get.
 
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The fact is Jesus expounded the law of Moses to the point that the disciples were astonished and asked: Who then can be saved?

Yes, the Law requires perfection and Jesus once said: "Be perfect for your heavenly father is perfect". Perfection is something we cannot attain and yet Jesus told us to be perfect.

Jesus did give us (after His death) something we can attain: the doctrine of the apostles
The Law dispensation required them to keep the law and offer burnt sacrifices whenever they sin against the law. Those sacrifices were still going on in the temple during the period of Acts.

The revelations revealed to Paul by the ascended Christ, about the substitutionary atonement of Jesus's death on the cross for sins, were still unknown until much later.
 

DeighAnn

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When anyone. And I mean anyone, comes in here talking about the "Kingdom, and "joint heirs WITH Christ?"
They get as busy as a "cat trying to cover up poop on a marble floor" in condemning them, and their beliefs.
Not, realizing, or worse, being "willingly ignorant", that one cannot be a "joint heir with Christ", as long as they "remain IN Christ!" Herein, lies the differences between "preservation" and "perseverance."
In essence? They are not "stablishing" the law! Just "preserving" it!
THAT'S the difference!
I am going to that is intense.
 

Marcelo

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The Law dispensation required them to keep the law and offer burnt sacrifices whenever they sin against the law. Those sacrifices were still going on in the temple during the period of Acts.

The revelations revealed to Paul by the ascended Christ, about the substitutionary atonement of Jesus's death on the cross for sins, were still unknown until much later.
Hi Guojing! Yes, there was a long (some 15 years) transition period between the Old and the New Covenant.
 
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Hi Guojing! Yes, there was a long (some 15 years) transition period between the Old and the New Covenant.
Yep, I read that James the Just, the brother of Jesus, was saved only after Jesus resurrected and appeared to him. 1 Corinthians 15:3–8

He was regularly allowed to enter the Holy of Holies and was called the Just because he kept praying for the Jews then until his knees were hurt

"He [James] alone enjoyed the privilege of entering the Holy of Holies. Indeed, he did not wear woolen, but only linen clothes, and went into the Temple alone and prayed on behalf of the people, so that his knees were reputed to have acquired the callousness of a camel's knees", and that after Jesus died he "was immediately appointed Bishop of Jerusalem by the Apostles."
 

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Yep, I read that James the Just, the brother of Jesus, was saved only after Jesus resurrected and appeared to him. 1 Corinthians 15:3–8

He was regularly allowed to enter the Holy of Holies and was called the Just because he kept praying for the Jews then until his knees were hurt

"He [James] alone enjoyed the privilege of entering the Holy of Holies. Indeed, he did not wear woolen, but only linen clothes, and went into the Temple alone and prayed on behalf of the people, so that his knees were reputed to have acquired the callousness of a camel's knees", and that after Jesus died he "was immediately appointed Bishop of Jerusalem by the Apostles."
James was the high priest?
seems like a contradiction.

are we supposed to accept everything in the dead sea scrolls as scripture?
 
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James was the high priest?
seems like a contradiction.

are we supposed to accept everything in the dead sea scrolls as scripture?
One thing that amazed me was how Jesus originally denoted Peter to be the rock where his church was supposed to be built on

However, James came out of nowhere to become the head of the Jerusalem HQ as stated by the Apostle Paul a few times in his letters, plus Luke's account in Acts? Peter by the time in Acts 15, became a glorified bystander, and after that he vanishes from Acts completely.

By the time Acts 21 came, the head of Jerusalem HQ was only James the Just.
 

posthuman

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Is that where that came from?
I thought so according to google, but I only skimmed the article I found. Went and reread, it's a quote from a book by Eusebius.

It's still contradictory, tho - only the high priest entered the Holy of Holies, once a year, and we know who the high priest was, Caiphas, and the high priest was always Levite, which James wasn't.
 

posthuman

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One thing that amazed me was how Jesus originally denoted Peter to be the rock where his church was supposed to be built on
Well probably amazing to you since it's such a wrong interpretation. The confession Peter made, that Jesus is the Christ, which Peter did not learn by flesh and blood, but by the Spirit, is the foundation.
Search literally any thread here involving catholicism: this comes up every time. There are two different words for rock in that passage, one meaning a pebble - that's Peter - and one meaning a boulder - that's the foundation.
 

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One thing that amazed me was how Jesus originally denoted Peter to be the rock where his church was supposed to be built on

However, James came out of nowhere to become the head of the Jerusalem HQ as stated by the Apostle Paul a few times in his letters, plus Luke's account in Acts? Peter by the time in Acts 15, became a glorified bystander, and after that he vanishes from Acts completely.

By the time Acts 21 came, the head of Jerusalem HQ was only James the Just.
Seeing that your interpretation has Jesus having no foresight making a big false prediction, how can you still believe it's the right understanding?
 
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Well probably amazing to you since it's such a wrong interpretation. The confession Peter made, that Jesus is the Christ, which Peter did not learn by flesh and blood, but by the Spirit, is the foundation.
Search literally any thread here involving catholicism: this comes up every time. There are two different words for rock in that passage, one meaning a pebble - that's Peter - and one meaning a boulder - that's the foundation.
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Its fine if you have a different interpretation of the above passage, but to call it wrong smacks of arrogance. I interpret literally, you choose another way, that is your right.

Why do you think Peter took center stage throughout the 4 Gospels, and even in early Acts, it was only Peter Peter and more Peter, until that name faded away after the Jewish nation did not accept the Gospel of the Kingdom that he was preaching.
 
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Seeing that your interpretation has Jesus having no foresight making a big false prediction, how can you still believe it's the right understanding?
Jesus also said this "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

Did that turn out to be true? As I have asked the question previously in another thread, do you think God the Father knew a bit more than God the Son?

Once the Jewish nation rejected Christ as their Messiah about one year after the Crucifixion, the Tribulation was suppose to have come upon them. Luke 13:8.

However, God the Father revealed the biggest plot twist in the history of scripture, with the grace dispensation mystery thru Paul. Ephesians 3:9.

That Tribulation was postponed, to usher in his grand plan to save the Gentiles, independent of the Jews.
 

DeighAnn

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Jesus also said this "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

Did that turn out to be true? As I have asked the question previously in another thread, do you think God the Father knew a bit more than God the Son?

Once the Jewish nation rejected Christ as their Messiah about one year after the Crucifixion, the Tribulation was suppose to have come upon them. Luke 13:8.

However, God the Father revealed the biggest plot twist in the history of scripture, with the grace dispensation mystery thru Paul. Ephesians 3:9.

That Tribulation was postponed, to usher in his grand plan to save the Gentiles, independent of the Jews.
Yes, it turned out to be true. Many of them saw Him in His glorified body after the crucifixion and the resurrection for days. He had done His job

Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hebrews 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Hebrews 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

He had defeated death. He had ended an age. O Death where is thy sting? Yes we know God the Father knew more.. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Is that what you were referring to?
 

DeighAnn

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I thought so according to google, but I only skimmed the article I found. Went and reread, it's a quote from a book by Eusebius.

It's still contradictory, tho - only the high priest entered the Holy of Holies, once a year, and we know who the high priest was, Caiphas, and the high priest was always Levite, which James wasn't.
They had to wear bells so others knew they were still alive in there. I know it's not funny, but still kinda funny. You know the sacrifice the priest made was without spot or blemish, for sure. I can't help it. It's funny in a way.