Didn’t God make all things Good?

[TheWind]

He created LUCIFER which FELL by transgression......and there is a difference.......

But we all have fallen to transgressions. Are you holy?

 

[TheWind]

Did he not call peter Satan. And He beheld Satan.. then used him in Judas for his own glorification. He knew satan and behold him. All spirits are subject to the Holy spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

But we all have fallen to transgressions. Are you holy?

Wrong...we were born with the sin nature from ADAM.....we did not FALL.......and in Christ I am HOLY.........

 

[7seasrekeyed]

interesting

2 of us refer to scripture for the question of where the devil came from and both those posts are ingored

is somebody here just to argue?

starting to wonder

 

[dcontroversal]

interesting

2 of us refer to scripture for the question of where the devil came from and both those posts are ingored

is somebody here just to argue?

starting to wonder

Which 2......I referenced where he came from.....and I thought You, Magenta and LAM all referenced Lucifer falling and becoming Satan??

Have you noticed that we are getting along now that we are not arguing tongues? HAH

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Which 2......I referenced where he came from.....and I thought You, Magenta and LAM all referenced Lucifer falling and becoming Satan??

Have you noticed that we are getting along now that we are not arguing tongues? HAH

oh there were 3 who referenced that?

haha..I actually thought pretty much the same not long ago

 

[TheWind]

interesting

2 of us refer to scripture for the question of where the devil came from and both those posts are ingored

is somebody here just to argue?

starting to wonder

What posts did I miss ? I a

interesting

2 of us refer to scripture for the question of where the devil came from and both those posts are ingored

is somebody here just to argue?

starting to wonder

Did I miss a post? If I did I apologize... what are you referring to?

Wrong...we were born with the sin nature from ADAM.....we did not FALL.......and in Christ I am HOLY.........

Whatever you believe as truth. And As long as that works for you.. how funny we have four gospels of Jesus.. but only one man. Four perspectives. It’s all good. I am not an enemy. I believe in the same God.. God bless you all for your response.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What posts did I miss ? I a


Did I miss a post? If I did I apologize... what are you referring to?

no problem

posts 2 and 3...referring to satan

referring to the rebellion in heaven

those posts

 

[TheWind]

Wrong...we were born with the sin nature from ADAM.....we did not FALL.......and in Christ I am HOLY.........

Okay.

what have you read that incites the above quote from your op?

the NT reveals that Lucicfer, the devil was thrown out of heaven and 1/3rd of the angels with him after he lost his bid for the throne of God in his rebellion for the ruler of heaven

18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven Luke 10:18

In Luke 10:18 Jesus says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” The context of these words is the return of the 70 (or 72) disciples that Jesus had sent out to evangelize and prepare His way to Jerusalem (see verse 1). When the 70 return and give their report, they are joyful and a little surprised that “even the demons submit to us in your name” (verse 17). Jesus’ first words in reply are, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven” (verse 18).

In referencing Satan’s fall from heaven, Jesus most likely had in mind Isaiah 14:12, “How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” The fall of Satan that Jesus saw happened after Lucifer’s sin, before Adam and Eve’s temptation in the Garden of Eden. In his pride, Lucifer had lifted himself up, but God had cast him down out of his original place in heaven (although he retains a limited access to heaven for now, according to Job 1:6). Jesus’ statement in Luke 10:18 speaks of Jesus’ pre-existence and the Lord’s defeat over the power of Satan in a general sense.
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so you are right when you state that God did not create the devil. the devil was originally an angel and he determined to take God's place and he failed

ignorance is the lack of knowledge by any individual who seeks to understand something

when we find the knowledge concerning the thing we wish to understand, we can say we are no longer ignorant

sin creates separation between us and God, just like the sin of rebellion in heaven from Lucifer created separation from who he was to what he became...angel to the devil

ignorance is one thing, which can be fixed

disobedience is another. Adam and Eve disobeyed God = sin = separation

But the curse and the debt is paid. Therefore we are new creations in Christ... Jesus spoke to love the enemy... therefore we hate Not... Lucifer is a man trying to take the place of God. Or exalt himself against the knowledge of God. Man is notorious for this still... so are you saying Lucifer exists or not? And we are no longer separated from God... Through our belief we are part of his body...So then death is now a lie. And the Serpent said in the garden...you will not surely die... Did Jesus not have the similar message?? And besides. I never read we’re Eve actually died. If her and her husband were separated.. I thank God that he is the question ..and the Answer.

 

[TheWind]

He did create satan! He is Lucifer,son of the morning! An angel created by God's own hand who wanted to usurp God's throne for himself! Is. 14:12-14! He is also able to transform himself into many things,even an Angel of light! The word is full of examples of him! God cast him down to the earth and PREPARED HELL FOR HIM AND HIS ANGEL FOLLOWERS! Blessing in your search,the word of God is full of what HE WILL DO TO ALL THAT STAND AGAINST HIM! I hope and pray that you are a born again believer and follower of Christ! If not then please pray for God's forgiveness and instructions in His word that you may rejoice in the kingdom of heaven! I am praying for you!

Lucifer exists within man my child... he

He did create satan! He is Lucifer,son of the morning! An angel created by God's own hand who wanted to usurp God's throne for himself! Is. 14:12-14! He is also able to transform himself into many things,even an Angel of light! The word is full of examples of him! God cast him down to the earth and PREPARED HELL FOR HIM AND HIS ANGEL FOLLOWERS! Blessing in your search,the word of God is full of what HE WILL DO TO ALL THAT STAND AGAINST HIM! I hope and pray that you are a born again believer and follower of Christ! If not then please pray for God's forgiveness and instructions in His word that you may rejoice in the kingdom of heaven! I am praying for you!



He only exists.. for Gods purpose. Therefore his agenda means NOTHING... God is greater than any Satan you want to put into existence... he uses evil for our Good. Causes it to rain on the just and the unjust the rich and the poor. He uses all things for his purpose and we are no one to say what causes it to rain on the just in the unjust the rich and the poor. He uses all things for his purpose and we are no one to say what is good or bad is good or bad. However to repeat... God said all things were good. Not me. So why don’t you seek the truth for yourself. Four Gospels ...with four different perspectives of the same man. And I have my own. Pray for your enemy... I am not him... thanks.

 

[TheWind]

Wrong...we were born with the sin nature from ADAM.....we did not FALL.......and in Christ I am HOLY.........

Galatians said we have fallen from Grace.. so how do you figure you have not fallen.. ? we are new creations in Christ.. and all fall short of his glory. The Holy Spirit is Holy.

 

[TheWind]

Ezekiel 28:15 says that Satan’s ways were perfect until wickedness was found in Him.
The Hebrew word for wickedness comes from a root meaning to act wrongfully or unjustly.

14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.

So go back and read it again. Adam and his wife was kicked out of the garden. Not the Serpent. And he only asked for their confessing. Not the snakes.. that obviously the creation had a voice. The garden is a place of grace. Therefore who is really that old serpent of old??? Adam?

 

[Lanolin]

Love of money is the root of all evil it says in the NT.


The serpent, and adam and eve, were all cursed after the fall.
The fear and hostility of snakes goes back to Eve and the serpents encounter. So humans dont really trust snakes after that...and we know many of them are dangerous creatures as they can kill and poison. See Genesis 3:15

It doesnt say but I suspect .satan was jealous of the creation of humans especially women when God pronounced them 'very good' and gave them dominion over all the creatures. And of all the creatures, God made the serpent 'the most subtil' or in other translations 'the most cunning'.
Revelation 9 seems to suggest that the serpent was originally looking like a dragon, before it lost its limbs and God cast it out and cursed it to slither on the ground.

We know dinosaurs somehow became extinct and thee are none around today except crocodiles and tuataras geckos and smaller lizards...but there are still snakes. Dinosaurs are another name for dragon.

 

[Magenta]

Murican

 

[UnderGrace]

Read your book and your blog

He protected us when we were just seedlings,
And has been working all along.
And God said he was good.
So, I don’t care what the men believe.
For the fight is over the truth,
And what they want to perceive.


Do you think Satan was doing something good in the Garden, is that your point?

 

[TheWind]

Love of money is the root of all evil it says in the NT.


The serpent, and adam and eve, were all cursed after the fall.
The fear and hostility of snakes goes back to Eve and the serpents encounter. So humans dont really trust snakes after that...and we know many of them are dangerous creatures as they can kill and poison. See Genesis 3:15

It doesnt say but I suspect .satan was jealous of the creation of humans especially women when God pronounced them 'very good' and gave them dominion over all the creatures. And of all the creatures, God made the serpent 'the most subtil' or in other translations 'the most cunning'.
Revelation 9 seems to suggest that the serpent was originally looking like a dragon, before it lost its limbs and God cast it out and cursed it to slither on the ground.

We know dinosaurs somehow became extinct and thee are none around today except crocodiles and tuataras geckos and smaller lizards...but there are still snakes. Dinosaurs are another name for dragon.

How funny... did we forget God said the creepy crawly things were good too?.. besides snakes keep a garden clean. And organized from the critters that harm the seeds and plants... A fine balance in nature....and Moses himself: took the Rod in his hand and cast it on the ground and it became a snake... and then a rod again in his hand.
Nothing was made bad... except a man in his loneliness, But even that was capacity for what God is going to do...,
I know many people today who chase money... and many people today who chase the people that have money ...and do what they do.. they are called idols and idolaters...

 

[Adstar]

Why do people think the serpent is bad? Didn’t God say all things were Good? I never read that God spoke Satan into creation... so where does evil come from? Is our ignorance the darkness?

The account of creation in the Bible deals with the creation of the world and everything in it.. It did not deal with the creation of angels or heaven.. So when God said it was good He was only talking about the universe creation He had just completed..

satan was created as a cherubim Angel who formed part of the throne of God in Heaven.. satan formerly known as Lucifer was an angel that had wings and formed the covering for the throne of God.. Gods throne was made up of cherubs.. Angels with both human and animal parts they where hybrid type Angels.. The Bible gives an account of a group of cherubs in the first chapter of the book of Ezekiel ..

 

[Adstar]

So go back and read it again. Adam and his wife was kicked out of the garden. Not the Serpent. And he only asked for their confessing. Not the snakes.. that obviously the creation had a voice. The garden is a place of grace. Therefore who is really that old serpent of old??? Adam?

Revelation 20 reveals that satan is that serpent of old..

Revelation 20: KJV
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. {2} And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

 

[7seasrekeyed]

word salad warning

 

[UnderGrace]

Galatians said we have fallen from Grace.. so how do you figure you have not fallen.. ? we are new creations in Christ.. and all fall short of his glory. The Holy Spirit is Holy.

You need a better understanding.