Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

[eternally-gratefull]

Saying not by works is saying that there is NOTHING we can do to earn, maintain, or keep our salvation. It is doing what Jesus said and becoming poor in spirit (spiritually bankrupt) and being like the tax collector who got on their knees and cried out to God.

After that person is saved, they are made into a new creation, created FOR good works (their natural order) and they have experienced the true love of God (we love because he loved us first) and are given his spirit, which empowers us to do good works. Which we DESIRE to do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 6:9

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Paul say unrighteousness shall not inherit the kingdom/not save

Paul not say unrighteousness not get reward but go to heaven.

Than Paul continue

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Why don't he say as long as you believe that Jesus God, stealing is only decrease your reward but nothing to do with your salvation?

Nor thieves...........inherits the kingdom/save

Is that mean work nothing to do with salvation only reward?

In all your life, all you can offer God is unrighteousness. (For all have sinned and fall short)

We must have GODS righteousness applied to us,,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Some Christian believe stealing money from credit card nothing to do with salvation but why Paul say

1 cor 6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


No thieves .......inherit the kingdom..

No thieves go to heaven but if that thieves believevthat Jesus is God go to heaven! Only reduce his reward?

Seem to me some Christian not agree with Paul.

James said if you obey the whole law. Yet fall in one point, you are guilty of the law.

As a person guilty of the law. You are cursed, that curse is death.

Do not think you are more righteous than that thief.. Because your not, that is a dangerous area to tread. Look to God for his righteousness and compare yours to his, Not at others ant try to compare your righteousness to theirs.

 

[Jackson123]

This man isn't asking how he can 'be saved' - - he's asking how he can save himself.
he thinks he's just talking to a famous rabbi, and he thinks eternal life is something he can earn or buy somehow. It's like he is asking, where is the eternal life store, and how much does it cost?

Jesus describes the whole conversation, it is very hard for a rich man to be saved. How would that make sense if it is about works? A rich man has all kinds of time and few worries. Why couldn't a rich man have even more opportunities to do good works and keep laws? He's not tempted to steal, and he has lots of possessions so he isn't tempted by covetousness as much, because what he wants, he buys.

But this is the danger to the rich:

Proverbs 30:8-9
Remove far from me falsehood and lying; give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me, lest I be full and deny you and say, "Who is the LORD?" or lest I be poor and steal and profane the name of my God.

Maybe with all their possessions and power and easy life, they forget God.

That is exactly what Christ immediately reminds the young man about:
No one is good, but God alone.

This means the man is not good either. How can you earn life, if you are not good? To be given it by God, without deserving it, is the only way.

I believe this man went away sad because he was starting to understand. I have hope for him that he went and thought more about it and that he turned to God for life instead of his own works. As Jesus said about it all, with God all things are possible. He didn't tell us the rest, but this isn't the end of that man's story.

So you believe this young man ask how to save himself.

Why Jesus not say,

Young man, you can not save yourself

And you believe this young man think Jesus not God

Why Jesus not tell him

Young man. I am God

Jesus answer keep the commandment

Do you think Jesus give him wrong answere?

 

[Jackson123]

In all your life, all you can offer God is unrighteousness. (For all have sinned and fall short)

We must have GODS righteousness applied to us,,

So you not agree with Paul that stealing not inherit kingdom?

 

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Matthew 19:16-26 King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Why Paul say salvation by faith not by work

And the same Paul say

1 Corinthians 6:9

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Is salvation nothing to do with work or doing good

You only have to look at what the man said in the first verse to see he had a works salvation mindset..

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Christianity makes it clear that there is no good thing that we can do to earn for ourselves eternal life because we cannot live a life without failing in doing good things.. Jesus went on to destroy the mans confidence in reaching the mark of perfection required. So much so that the man went away in sorrow because he knew he could never be good enough.. The Apostles then reacted with astonishment because they had the same works salvation mindset the man had.. But Jesus replied to them..

Matthew 19: KJV
25 "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

So Jesus reply pointed was pointing to the good thing He would do on the cross that would secure salvation for all people who would believe and trust in Him..

So Paul declaring that salvation is by Faith is totally consistent with what Jesus said to the man and to the Apostles..

 

[Jackson123]

James said if you obey the whole law. Yet fall in one point, you are guilty of the law.

As a person guilty of the law. You are cursed, that curse is death.

Do not think you are more righteous than that thief.. Because your not, that is a dangerous area to tread. Look to God for his righteousness and compare yours to his, Not at others ant try to compare your righteousness to theirs.

I am never say I am more righteousness than other, but my question is

Is paul lie?

Paul say
1 cor 6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I think you don't believe what Paul say don't you

Some people change this verse into

Stealing inherit kingdom, only reduce reward

Seem to me you agree with this change don't you

 

[PennEd]

Thanks for your respon brother,

What do you mean by mixing work and grace?

By that I mean if you believe that there is ANYTHING, and I do mean ANYTHING YOU DO to attain or retain your Salvation, NEGATES the work of Christ, His atoning Sacrifice, and the Grace through faith, by which we are saved.

 

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So you believe this young man ask how to save himself.

Why Jesus not say,

Young man, you can not save yourself

And you believe this young man think Jesus not God

Why Jesus not tell him

Young man. I am God

Jesus answer keep the commandment

Do you think Jesus give him wrong answere?

Jesus had to stay alive untill he could deliver all the Gospel.. If Jesus had said at that stage ""I am God"" Jesus would have probably been stoned to death then and there..

Jesus gave correct answer.. He included with His answer come follow me..

Matthew 19: KJV
21 "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

To be deemed perfect one has to become a follower of Jesus.. Being a follower of Jesus means that one will believe in the Way Jesus has made for us to be deemed perfect..

 

[Jackson123]

You only have to look at what the man said in the first verse to see he had a works salvation mindset..



Christianity makes it clear that there is no good thing that we can do to earn for ourselves eternal life because we cannot live a life without failing in doing good things.. Jesus went on to destroy the mans confidence in reaching the mark of perfection required. So much so that the man went away in sorrow because he knew he could never be good enough.. The Apostles then reacted with astonishment because they had the same works salvation mindset the man had.. But Jesus replied to them..

Matthew 19: KJV
25 "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

So Jesus reply pointed was pointing to the good thing He would do on the cross that would secure salvation for all people who would believe and trust in Him..

So Paul declaring that salvation is by Faith is totally consistent with what Jesus said to the man and to the Apostles..

So you believe this man mindset is wrong.

But this man ask to Jesus, why Jesus not answer

Your mindset is wrong, just believe Thai i a man God than you do not need to keep the commandment.

Jesus answer keep the commandment.

You say Paul say salvation by faith

Yes hi did but he also say stealing is not inherit kingdom/not save
1 cor 6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Did Paul inconsistent

 

[Jackson123]

By that I mean if you believe that there is ANYTHING, and I do mean ANYTHING YOU DO to attain or retain your Salvation, NEGATES the work of Christ, His atoning Sacrifice, and the Grace through faith, by which we are saved.

So what is you opinion about

1 cor6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Why Paul say stealing not go to heaven

Do you believe:

Because salvation by grace than Paul wrong, stealing go to heaven

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus had to stay alive untill he could deliver all the Gospel.. If Jesus had said at that stage ""I am God"" Jesus would have probably been stoned to death then and there..

Jesus gave correct answer.. He included with His answer come follow me..

Matthew 19: KJV
21 "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

To be deemed perfect one has to become a follower of Jesus.. Being a follower of Jesus means that one will believe in the Way Jesus has made for us to be deemed perfect..

So you believe after Jesus die, if a man ask how to save, the answer will be

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Salvation by grace

Stealing is ok, paul wrong when he say steal not inherit kingdom/save

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you not agree with Paul that stealing not inherit kingdom?

No I agree
No sinner will enter the kingdom of God

A person who becomes saved is no longer a sinner (not that they do not sin, it is just not their lifestyle)

John said a child born of God can not live in sin, a person who sins has never seen or known God.. I believe him also.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am never say I am more righteousness than other, but my question is

Is paul lie?

Paul say
1 cor 6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I think you don't believe what Paul say don't you

Some people change this verse into

Stealing inherit kingdom, only reduce reward

Seem to me you agree with this change don't you

No sinner will get to heaven

Do you believe this?

A child of God is not a sinner (the apostle John)

Do you believe that?

 

[PennEd]

So what is you opinion about

1 cor6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Why Paul say stealing not go to heaven

Do you believe:

Because salvation by grace than Paul wrong, stealing go to heaven

My thoughts on the warnings are this:

As for the warnings, I believe they are there for those that THINK they are saved. Paul is exhorting those who take the Name of Lord, Christians, to examine THEMSELVES, and if they are caught up in some of the laundry list of sins chronicled in several epistles,FEEL NO CONVICTION OVER THEM, they must repent, NOT OF THE SINS (although that will come) but that they have never truly believed that Jesus IS God come in the flesh, HAS DIED for THEIR sins, rose on the 3rd day, and that NOTHING they do can aid Him in what He has done for them and to them.

 

[KJV1611]

Matthew 19:16-26 King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Why Paul say salvation by faith not by work

And the same Paul say

1 Corinthians 6:9

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Is salvation nothing to do with work or doing good

So you believe this young man ask how to save himself.

Why Jesus not say,

Young man, you can not save yourself

And you believe this young man think Jesus not God

Why Jesus not tell him

Young man. I am God

Jesus answer keep the commandment

Do you think Jesus give him wrong answere?

Jesus was toying with him because of the question he asked - what good that SHALL I DO.

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? The fool should've picked up in from

The fool shoul

Matthew 19:16-26 King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Isn’t obvious that Jesus is “yanking this guys chain”?

I mean the fool starts out by asking “what shall I DO”. Jesus follows on with statement after statement that this guy can not and does not do. Until finally Jesus reveals the fools true God.

The guy is the epitome of works salvation folks on this site.

 

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So you believe this man mindset is wrong.

But this man ask to Jesus, why Jesus not answer

"""Your mindset is wrong, just believe Thai i a man God than you do not need to keep the commandment.""" ????
I do not know what this sentence means please re-wright it..

Jesus answer keep the commandment.

You say Paul say salvation by faith

Yes hi did but he also say stealing is not inherit kingdom/not save
1 cor 6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Did Paul inconsistent

Let us look at what Paul said in 1 corrinthians 6.. But lets mae sure we do not just quote one vers in isolation.. That is a sure way to get very wrong doctrine.. Many false doctrines are created by isolating verses and taking them out of context::

1 Corinthians 6: KJV
9"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, {10} Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. {11} And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

Paul was talking about the Unrightious.. He was talking about people who did not believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement Jesus secured for them.. We Christiasn are Deemed rightious because we believe in the Atonement of Jesus Christ which he secured on the cross..

Romans 3: KJV
20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. {21} But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; {22} Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"

 

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So you believe after Jesus die, if a man ask how to save, the answer will be

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Salvation by grace

Stealing is ok, paul wrong when he say steal not inherit kingdom/save

Stealing is not ok.. Stealing is sin.. But we are saved by being justly forgiven our sins.. This is the Way of Salvation through our LORD Jesus Christ.. No one is ever going to secure their eternity by their own efforts at being perfect because NO PERSON can ever attain perfection..

 

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Jesus was toying with him because of the question he asked - what good that SHALL I DO.

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? The fool should've picked up in from

The fool shoul

Isn’t obvious that Jesus is “yanking this guys chain”?

I mean the fool starts out by asking “what shall I DO”. Jesus follows on with statement after statement that this guy can not and does not do. Until finally Jesus reveals the fools true God.

The guy is the epitome of works salvation folks on this site.

Sad to say it but you are correct.. There are so many works salvation people on this site these days..

 

[Noose]

John 15:
1“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes a so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command.