Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

[Magenta]

Isn't this what 'no one is good' means?

Isn't this what 'you call me good, and only God is good' means?

Hello Post Your exchanges with Jackson, and his questions concerning the importance of acknowledging the Divinity of Christ, remind me of Jesus saying in John 8:23-24~

“You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

Apparently knowing that Jesus is God is an imperative element of saving faith

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

Jesus said: to be saved you have to be as perfect as God (Mt 5:48).

But how can you -- or anyone -- be as perfect as God?

Since no one can be as perfect as God -- no matter how hard they try -- God provided another way for sinners to become as perfect as God. He gives the GIFT of imputed righteousness to those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Please read and study Romans 4.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is salvation nothing to do with work or doing good

Jackson, there is such as thing as SANCTIFICATION which is a part of salvation.

Sanctification means (1) separation from all sin and evil and (2) being righteous and holy, and (3) doing good works.

But we are not saved by works of righteousness. We are saved by God's grace through faith.

 

[Deade]

Jackson, there is such as thing as SANCTIFICATION which is a part of salvation.

Sanctification means (1) separation from all sin and evil and (2) being righteous and holy, and (3) doing good works.

But we are not saved by works of righteousness. We are saved by God's grace through faith.

Agreed, then aren't we all saying the same thing?

 

[Jackson123]

Jackson, there is such as thing as SANCTIFICATION which is a part of salvation.

Sanctification means (1) separation from all sin and evil and (2) being righteous and holy, and (3) doing good works.

But we are not saved by works of righteousness. We are saved by God's grace through faith.

Yep, salvation have anything to do with sanctification, and sanctification have anything to do with good work

 

[Jackson123]

So do you mean that every time you sin you must confess your sin to God in a prayer?

And what does the world ""repent"" mean to you.. What do you do to Repent..



I agree. A Christian must never use the grace of God as a lisence to sin... That is not what people who believe in the Atonement do..

Yes every time I sin I have to confest, repent and asking forgiveness,

 

[KJV1611]

Do you believe Jesus is toying him?

What good that shall I do.

Why not answer the best (good) man can do for salvation is believe in Me

I wouldn't say he was toying with him but he was more or less giving him the rope to hang himself with, in other words, he was condemning the man using the mans own words.

The man said he had kept all the commandments all of his life while he was breaking one of the ten commandments (lying) while replying to Jesus.

 

[posthuman]

I am never say I am more righteousness than other, but my question is

Is paul lie?

Paul say
1 cor 6
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I think you don't believe what Paul say don't you

Some people change this verse into

Stealing inherit kingdom, only reduce reward

Seem to me you agree with this change don't you

if you have been redeemed, and are a new creation in your heart, but you fall into temptation and steal - yet repent, hating what you do in your heart, though you may still fall into sin in your weakness -- then are you a "thief" because you have done it, or are you only a "thief" when you do it without repentance?

like, the former me was a thief. for sure. with no remorse: i did not call it sin in my heart.
the new, redeemed me, hates theft, and and if i fall into temptation and steal - i hate myself for it, and the act, and call it sin in my heart.
so the old me: definitely thief.
the new me: am i still a thief?

when would i become a thief, how do i stop being a thief, how long am i a thief?
say tomorrow i steal something.
the day after, i realize how wicked i was, and i repent. in my heart, i call it sin, and my will is not to do it anymore.
tomorrow am i a thief, but the day after i am not?
or am i still a thief forever until i *prove* i'm not any more by *never stealing again* -- which takes infinite time, doesn't it? because if i don't steal for 10,000 days, i might steal on the day 10,001, so i haven't proven i've stopped yet even after 10,000 days.
or did i cease to be a thief the day my heart was first changed?

these things need definitions.

 

[maxwel]

Thanks for your warning brother.

In my discussion with some friend, I heard again and do with work, good work produce reward but nothing to do with salvation.

My Christian friend steal money from credit card, because he believe good work nothing to do with salvation.

I think we need study deeper about correlation between faith and work.

Why Jesus say if you want save, keep the commandment

Why not say, keep commandment is only for reward, but for salvation you only need faith,

Your friend didn't steal money because of an intellectual error in his systematic doctrine...
your friend stole money because he's a thief.


Let's not be silly.
..

 

[KJV1611]

Is Jesus yanking everyone's chain calling Himself Son of Man, instead of Son of God? Or does He expect us to figure it out? He told Peter flesh and blood didn't reveal the truth to him - while Jesus was standing there in flesh and blood before him. I don't think toying with us is the right way to describe teaching in parables, tho I get what you're saying. He hides Himself, to be found by the one that earnestly seeks Him, and I think this is how He speaks to this man - he gives him enough clues to discover Him.

He is the son of man through Mary and he's also the son God through God so I don't think that would be considered yanking everyone's chain.

We can call it yanking our chain, toying with us or or even purposely misleading people but the bible and the words of Jesus are very clearly written to mislead works salvation people into believing in works salvation, just like he did in the verses posted by Jackson 123.

Jesus starts the eternal life conversation by saying obey the commandments, don't kill, don't steal, don't bear false witness etc. Jesus is saying this as if someone could actually do that to gain eternal life. that's the way a works salvation person sees those verses.

A person with an honest and humble spirit should read those verses and say it's impossible for me to gain eternal life.... and that's the point Jesus is making, but the guy didn't see it that way. He saw himself as actually doing those things just like a works salvation person thinks.

The solution to how to gain eternal life is buried in all the performance rhetoric. Very simple, let go of all that's important to you right now and follow him.

 

[posthuman]

He is the son of man through Mary and he's also the son God through God so I don't think that would be considered yanking everyone's chain.

We can call it yanking our chain, toying with us or or even purposely misleading people but the bible and the words of Jesus are very clearly written to mislead works salvation people into believing in works salvation, just like he did in the verses posted by Jackson 123.

Jesus starts the eternal life conversation by saying obey the commandments, don't kill, don't steal, don't bear false witness etc. Jesus is saying this as if someone could actually do that to gain eternal life. that's the way a works salvation person sees those verses.

A person with an honest and humble spirit should read those verses and say it's impossible for me to gain eternal life.... and that's the point Jesus is making, but the guy didn't see it that way. He saw himself as actually doing those things just like a works salvation person thinks.

The solution to how to gain eternal life is buried in all the performance rhetoric. Very simple, let go of all that's important to you right now and follow him.

Mark 10:21
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him

how do we understand this?

 

[KJV1611]

Mark 10:21
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him

how do we understand this?

That's the point in my opinion where Jesus had compassion on him and told him exactly what to do to gain eternal life.

 

[Adstar]

Yes every time I sin I have to confest, repent and asking forgiveness,

So lets use a story to show the danger in this belief..

Lets say a man who is a Christian is driving down a road and another driver cuts him off and nearly causes a crash.. The Christian driver explodes in anger speeds up to overtake the other driver shaking his fist at the driver and yelling swear words and insults... A few minutes later the Christian feels guilty for his actions which he knows was sinful and aknowledges his sin to God and thanks God for His Atoning forgivness for his sin..

All is well for the man you would say Jackson... right?

Now lets change it up a bit..
Lets say a man who is a Christian is driving down a road and another driver cuts him off and nearly causes a crash.. The Christian driver explodes in anger speeds up to overtake the other driver shaking his fist at the driver and yelling swear words and insults, because of the heat of the moment the Christian driver has not been paying attention to the oncoming truck and in an instant his car is smashed by the oncoming truck and the Christian is instantly killed in a firey twisted metal wreck...

The Christian man has sinned but because he was killed while he was in the action of sinning he Never ""confest, repent and asking forgiveness"" for that sin.. So therefore according to your belief He would be condemned to eternity in the Lake of Fire because as you believe All sins Must be confessed repented and the sinner must ask for forgivness..

Now with those examples is Anyone's Eternal salvation safe?

If they can die at any time having not had the time to confess their last sin?

What about all the Minor sins we have sinned during our Entire life times? Have you confessed , repented and asked for forgiveness for each and every little sin you have ever sinned in your entire life Jackson?? If you MUST do this for each and every sin then woe to the person who forgets to do so for just 1 of their sins..

Actually stating that one MUST perform these deeds for each and ever sin means one is actually saying that a persons religious Works are essential to securing salvation that what Jesus did on the cross is inadequit to securing ones salvation..

 

[Jackson123]

I wouldn't say he was toying with him but he was more or less giving him the rope to hang himself with, in other words, he was condemning the man using the mans own words.

The man said he had kept all the commandments all of his life while he was breaking one of the ten commandments (lying) while replying to Jesus.

Yep, no body able to keep all commandment

 

[Jackson123]

if you have been redeemed, and are a new creation in your heart, but you fall into temptation and steal - yet repent, hating what you do in your heart, though you may still fall into sin in your weakness -- then are you a "thief" because you have done it, or are you only a "thief" when you do it without repentance?

like, the former me was a thief. for sure. with no remorse: i did not call it sin in my heart.
the new, redeemed me, hates theft, and and if i fall into temptation and steal - i hate myself for it, and the act, and call it sin in my heart.
so the old me: definitely thief.
the new me: am i still a thief?

when would i become a thief, how do i stop being a thief, how long am i a thief?
say tomorrow i steal something.
the day after, i realize how wicked i was, and i repent. in my heart, i call it sin, and my will is not to do it anymore.
tomorrow am i a thief, but the day after i am not?
or am i still a thief forever until i *prove* i'm not any more by *never stealing again* -- which takes infinite time, doesn't it? because if i don't steal for 10,000 days, i might steal on the day 10,001, so i haven't proven i've stopped yet even after 10,000 days.
or did i cease to be a thief the day my heart was first changed?

these things need definitions.

God is love and mercyful

If we repent and ask forgiveness he will forgive us.

We may thief and people call us thief but as soon as we repent, god not call us thief anymore till we steal again.

But if we keep stealing than this verse below applay to us.

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jackson123]

Your friend didn't steal money because of an intellectual error in his systematic doctrine...
your friend stole money because he's a thief.


Let's not be silly.
..

I agree, but he believe salvation by grace not by work make him think steal have no effect in salvation.

 

[Jackson123]

So lets use a story to show the danger in this belief..

Lets say a man who is a Christian is driving down a road and another driver cuts him off and nearly causes a crash.. The Christian driver explodes in anger speeds up to overtake the other driver shaking his fist at the driver and yelling swear words and insults... A few minutes later the Christian feels guilty for his actions which he knows was sinful and aknowledges his sin to God and thanks God for His Atoning forgivness for his sin..

All is well for the man you would say Jackson... right?

Now lets change it up a bit..
Lets say a man who is a Christian is driving down a road and another driver cuts him off and nearly causes a crash.. The Christian driver explodes in anger speeds up to overtake the other driver shaking his fist at the driver and yelling swear words and insults, because of the heat of the moment the Christian driver has not been paying attention to the oncoming truck and in an instant his car is smashed by the oncoming truck and the Christian is instantly killed in a firey twisted metal wreck...

The Christian man has sinned but because he was killed while he was in the action of sinning he Never ""confest, repent and asking forgiveness"" for that sin.. So therefore according to your belief He would be condemned to eternity in the Lake of Fire because as you believe All sins Must be confessed repented and the sinner must ask for forgivness..

Now with those examples is Anyone's Eternal salvation safe?

If they can die at any time having not had the time to confess their last sin?

What about all the Minor sins we have sinned during our Entire life times? Have you confessed , repented and asked for forgiveness for each and every little sin you have ever sinned in your entire life Jackson?? If you MUST do this for each and every sin then woe to the person who forgets to do so for just 1 of their sins..

Actually stating that one MUST perform these deeds for each and ever sin means one is actually saying that a persons religious Works are essential to securing salvation that what Jesus did on the cross is inadequit to securing ones salvation..

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 | KJV

I do not know the answer, but according to the verse above, if we humble ourselves seek His face and turn our wicked ways then God will forgive us

To me it mean If we keep our wicked way He not forgive us.

 

[Kim82]

I was listening to a pastor the other day, and he said, even if you sin on purpose you are still saved.

I really wish the body of Christ would get it straight and speak in the same voice on this issue. Because does the Bible not say, those born of God does not practice sin?

Is it the case that you can sin but as long as you believe on the lord you will be saved?

Or are Christians suppose to be perfect?

Or is a Christian someone who does not practice sin but "falls down" some times?

If Jesus were to come and catch a Christian in the act of sinning, before he repents, will he go to heaven?

If a Christian dies just after he sins, before he repents, will he still go to heaven?

Is divorce the unforgivable sin?

If someone repents on their deathbed before they get a chance to get baptised or someone who can't leave their hospital bed to get baptised, will they go to heaven?

The bible say God has mercy on whom he will have mercy. What does this mean? Does this mean certain persons can keep sinning and God will have mercy on them if he chooses?

But does the Bible not say, we should not use our freedom as an excuse for badness? Does it not also say we must not sin that grace may abound?

I've listened to both sides of the argument on salvation, I've also listened to both sides of the argument on divorce and remarriage. It seems that whether you believe in one thing or the other, you can successfully prove your arguments from the bible.

 

[Kim82]

Can a Christian decide that he does not want any reward, only salvation? Do Christians have an option to sin or not to sin depending on whether or not they want to be rewarded. Can they do this and still keep their salvation intact? Is salvation like the deal or no deal gameshow?

 

[Jackson123]

I was listening to a pastor the other day, and he said, even if you sin on purpose you are still saved.

I really wish the body of Christ would get it straight and speak in the same voice on this issue. Because does the Bible not say, those born of God does not practice sin?

Is it the case that you can sin but as long as you believe on the lord you will be saved?

Or are Christians suppose to be perfect?

Or is a Christian someone who does not practice sin but "falls down" some times?

If Jesus were to come and catch a Christian in the act of sinning, before he repents, will he go to heaven?

If a Christian dies just after he sins, before he repents, will he still go to heaven?

Is divorce the unforgivable sin?

If someone repents on their deathbed before they get a chance to get baptised or someone who can't leave their hospital bed to get baptised, will they go to heaven?

The bible say God has mercy on whom he will have mercy. What does this mean? Does this mean certain persons can keep sinning and God will have mercy on them if he chooses?

But does the Bible not say, we should not use our freedom as an excuse for badness? Does it not also say we must not sin that grace may abound?

I've listened to both sides of the argument on salvation, I've also listened to both sides of the argument on divorce and remarriage. It seems that whether you believe in one thing or the other, you can successfully prove your arguments from the bible.

I think Bible give a guide for all the question on salvation.

For example



If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 | KJV | humility healing

What happen if he not humble and turn from wicked way, than god not forgive them.

Jesus also give a parable of unprepared servant

We do not know when the boss come so we have to always alert, if the bos come and we are on party, the bos will fire us.

Divorce is sin but if your partner commit adultery divorce is not sin.

If you do divorce and repent than ask to back to your partner, if your partner refuse, I believe not your false.