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stonesoffire

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You don't need to study to realize that Christ came to save the world from sin and effects of sin which is eternal death. Salvation is the main objective and it is inferred to many things including; crown of life, other crowns, victory, glory, eternal life, rewards. All these things means salvation.
You do need to study. We are commanded to rightly divide the Word. Oops...skipped right over Paul’s words didn’t you?

Am beginning to see what you two are trying to sell.
 

Noose

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I said nothing like that. If you are a sheep or goat, you aren’t a Son.

This is nations coming before God in judgement. The body of Christ is judged at the judgement seat of Christ which my personal belief is when we die. I have eternal life.
Uh huh. And you are totally wrong.
2 Cor 5: 9So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.

Heb 9:26Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27Just as man is appointed to die once,and after that to face judgment, 28so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.
 

Noose

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You do need to study. We are commanded to rightly divide the Word. Oops...skipped right over Paul’s words didn’t you?

Am beginning to see what you two are trying to sell.
Everything is about overcoming sin (eternal death) and those that are successful are said to be saved or have eternal life. Nothing else matters and i'm not trying to sell you anything.
 
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Amen for this as well....the one you engaged is a two or three times banned ex member.....his psycho babble and misdirection has led to many placing his drivel and blather on ignore....
It’s funny how I knew that was who it was without looking. And also sad
 

FollowHisSteps

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You mean Tourette’s? Nothing to joke about and is way beneath one who says he is in union with the Lord.
Is a horrible horrible disease or state of possession. I seriously think it’s the latter.
There is something very ironic here. If someone cannot help but take others contributions and
come with derogatory statements reminds me of people who have no filter of which turrets is a
prime example. This is a passive observation. It also shows where such behaviour leads to.
 

Smooth

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I only see people being surprised, i don't see the eternal security proponents here.
Why should an eternal security believer get surprised by Christ's righteous judgments?

Matt 25:
31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Eternal security proponents partake in works for the joy of serving and pleasing God whom we love. We do not take part in works as a means to “maintain” our salvation which does not need to be maintained.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I have a sensitive spot for the innocent, the meek and the gentle, all of which you are not, thus I feel no emotions of sensitivity towards you or because of you. I’m secure in my eternal salvation in Christ, as I know many others here on CC are as well, and for that I always rejoice. Peace be with you in your journey.
I am glad you have assurance in Christ, praise the Lord. The rest is between you and the Lord, Praise His
Holy Name. God bless you
 

Noose

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Eternal security proponents partake in works for the joy of serving and pleasing God whom we love. We do not take part in works as a means to “maintain” our salvation which does not need to be maintained.
No one said they do works to maintain salvation.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Several now banned members love the terms easy believism....they obviously did not understand...

Be not removed from the simplicity found in Christ

which is

It pleased God by tue foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Amen. The gospel is simple, repent of our sins, accept Christs forgiveness through the cross and with
the power of the Holy Spirit walk in His ways.

20 I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
1 Cor 15

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
Eph 5

7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 The 4

27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world
James 1

14 Do everything without complaining or arguing,
15 so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
Phil 2
 

FollowHisSteps

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It’s sad when people don’t have assurance in Christ. There’s no reason not to.
In my experience assurance comes from two realities,
1. How far we are from God, lost in our behaviour
2. How much Christ paid and did through the cross in raw pain, love, sacrifice

It takes time to learn these two realities and how love can grow through every aspect of our lives.
I feel privileged to have seen love in action with my kids and in my church. To grow up with little
support and then to live in a family were we gave all we could was like night and day.

Opening the doors in our hearts, stepping out in faith, taking risks, or apparent ones, begins to lay
the foundations of what life is eternity and with Jesus and how lost the world truly is.
 

Smooth

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You are focusing on the wrong color and there are no colored seats in heaven. You are trying to look at spiritual things in a literal sense. The process that is happening there is judgement of the Nations and the outcome is a surprise to everyone meaning that there is no such thing as eternal security.
Show the Scripture that states there is no such thing as eternal security.
 

Smooth

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In my experience assurance comes from two realities,
1. How far we are from God, lost in our behaviour
2. How much Christ paid and did through the cross in raw pain, love, sacrifice

It takes time to learn these two realities and how love can grow through every aspect of our lives.
I feel privileged to have seen love in action with my kids and in my church. To grow up with little
support and then to live in a family were we gave all we could was like night and day.

Opening the doors in our hearts, stepping out in faith, taking risks, or apparent ones, begins to lay
the foundations of what life is eternity and with Jesus and how lost the world truly is.
I’m sorry you feel far from God. Such a sad state of existence.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I’m sorry you feel far from God. Such a sad state of existence.
I do not feel far from God, in terms of being accepted and loved, but the closer we know
Jesus the more we are aware our immediate responses are often wrong, distorted, selfish,
defensive and fearful.

In a sense of the Spirit, I feel closer to the Lord than ever before.
But the next steps are always all we know, rather than quite how things will work out.
When you read Pauls letters, he was told he would suffer but not quite how and where.
So rather than this being a sad state of existence, this is where I trust in Him and His ways,
not mine or knowing which outcome will come to the fore except Praise to His glorious Name,
Amen.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I’m sorry you feel far from God. Such a sad state of existence.
In all things praise the Lord.
Pauls experience of life

9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men.
10 We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!
11 To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.
12 We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;
13 when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.
1 Corinthians 4

To know His peace which passes understanding is life itself, praise His Name.
 
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You do need to study. We are commanded to rightly divide the Word. Oops...skipped right over Paul’s words didn’t you?

Am beginning to see what you two are trying to sell.
AMEN.....can you imagine someone saying you do not need to study....no wonder he is false and spreading a satanic dogma that will not save....

My bible is clear....it is FAITH that has overcome and gotten me the victory....and contrary to his lie....we are saved at the moment of belief....it i NOT SOMETHING we must gain through human effort.....
 
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It’s sad when people don’t have assurance in Christ. There’s no reason not to.
It is even worse when they lie about what they are peddling........post 104,329 and he clearly peddles a working for dogma that must be earned.......
 
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Eternal security proponents partake in works for the joy of serving and pleasing God whom we love. We do not take part in works as a means to “maintain” our salvation which does not need to be maintained.
Nor can it be maintained or even gained by our effort......
 

Smooth

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I do not feel far from God, in terms of being accepted and loved, but the closer we know
Jesus the more we are aware our immediate responses are often wrong, distorted, selfish,
defensive and fearful.

In a sense of the Spirit, I feel closer to the Lord than ever before.
But the next steps are always all we know, rather than quite how things will work out.
When you read Pauls letters, he was told he would suffer but not quite how and where.
So rather than this being a sad state of existence, this is where I trust in Him and His ways,
not mine or knowing which outcome will come to the fore except Praise to His glorious Name,
Amen.
You’re close, you’re not close. Which is it?