Judas Iscariot

[pomeranian]

Was he a human, a decendant of Adam or was he a creation of Satan?
Did he commit the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of GOD for which there is no forgiveness?
Did he repent of his sin of betraying Christ?
If he did repent of his sin, did he simply die during commission of a sin (suicide) so that he faces judgment only for killing himself? LOVE is the answer to all questions.

 

[Magenta]

Was he a human, a decendant of Adam or was he a creation of Satan?

Are you suggesting Judas Iscariot was not a human being?

 

[Adstar]

Was he a human, a decendant of Adam or was he a creation of Satan?

He was a human being a descendant of Adam..
Satan cannot create.. Only God can create..

Did he commit the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of GOD for which there is no forgiveness?

No.

Did he repent of his sin of betraying Christ?

He may have.. It seemed by his action that he regretted His betrayal.. But he never accepted the Atonement of the LORD Jesus which is essential to be forgiven ones sins..

If he did repent of his sin, did he simply die during commission of a sin (suicide) so that he faces judgment only for killing himself? LOVE is the answer to all questions.

Again one both needs to repent of their sins and believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for their salvation to be saved.. Judas never accepted the Atonement Of Jesus.. So none of the sins of Judas where forgiven from his first sin to His last sin of self murder / suicide..

 

[Magenta]

Did he repent of his sin of betraying Christ?

Jesus called Judas the son of perdition, a term used only twice in the Bible (once in relation to Judas by Jesus in John 17:12, and once in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, referring to the “man of lawlessness”—the Antichrist—who will appear in the end times before Christ’s return). The term means "man doomed to destruction." To suggest that Judas repented seems to deny the fact that Jesus called Judas a man doomed to destruction.

 

[pomeranian]

He was a human being a descendant of Adam..
Satan cannot create.. Only God can create..



No.




He may have.. It seemed by his action that he regretted His betrayal.. But he never accepted the Atonement of the LORD Jesus which is essential to be forgiven ones sins..




Again one both needs to repent of their sins and believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for their salvation to be saved.. Judas never accepted the Atonement Of Jesus.. So none of the sins of Judas where forgiven from his first sin to His last sin of self murder / suicide..

Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
I think Judas died before Christ had atoned for our sins?

 

[pomeranian]

Are you suggesting Judas Iscariot was not a human being?

no I beleive he was.

 

[Adstar]

Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
I think Judas died before Christ had atoned for our sins?

I don't think the Bible is clear on when Judas actually hung himself.. But in the end Jesus knew that Judas would be lost..

John 17: KJV
11 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. {12} While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

Jesus called Judas the Son of Perdition

 

[pomeranian]

Jesus called Judas the son of perdition, a term used only twice in the Bible (once in relation to Judas by Jesus in John 17:12, and once in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, referring to the “man of lawlessness”—the Antichrist—who will appear in the end times before Christ’s return). The term means "man doomed to destruction." To suggest that Judas repented seems to deny the fact that Jesus called Judas a man doomed to destruction.

Repentance= a feeling of such deep regret at ones actions that one must "do something" so that they will never feel this much remorse again.
Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus[a] was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
Judas action was to end his life. I believe he knew that forgiveness was not possible as Jesus had told him as much at dinner.
Matthew 26: 24 The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
My thoughts are that Judas' betrayal of Christ was an unforgivable sin and what doomed him. As for the Antichrist that is a whole new thread. LOVE is the answer

 

[pomeranian]

I don't think the Bible is clear on when Judas actually hung himself.. But in the end Jesus knew that Judas would be lost..

John 17: KJV
11 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. {12} While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."

Jesus called Judas the Son of Perdition

Jesus was saying Judas was bound for destruction and that Judas was given to Jesus by GOD but he was the only soul that was lost to destruction. The only soul Jesus could not save. Am I reading it wrong?

 

[Sipsey]

Repentance= a feeling of such deep regret at ones actions that one must "do something" so that they will never feel this much remorse again.
Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus[a] was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
Judas action was to end his life. I believe he knew that forgiveness was not possible as Jesus had told him as much at dinner.
Matthew 26: 24 The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
My thoughts are that Judas' betrayal of Christ was an unforgivable sin and what doomed him. As for the Antichrist that is a whole new thread. LOVE is the answer

I think it might be helpful in this instance to refer back to the Greek word used in Matt. 27:3 - “repented” (Kjv)

There are several words translated as repented. The particular word used here for Judas was more like, he was sorry he got caught.

3338. μεταμέλομαι metamélomai; fut. metamelḗsomai, from metá (3326), denoting change of place or condition, and mélomai, mid. of mélō (n.f. see mélei [3199], to concern), to be concerned. To regret (Mt 21:29,32; 27:3; 2Co 7:8; Heb 7:21 quoted from Ps 110:4). The aor. pass. metemelḗthēn has the meaning of changing one's mind or purpose after having done something regrettable. Contrasted with metanoéō (3340), to repent, it expresses the mere desire that what is done may be undone, accompanied with regrets or even remorse, but with no effective change of heart. Metaméleia (which does not occur in the NT) is an ineffective repentance for which the forgiveness of sins is not promised (as it is for metánoia [3341], repentance, see Mk 1:4; Lk 3:3; Ac 2:38). Metamélomai, on the part of man, means little or nothing more than a selfish dread of the consequence of what one has done, whereas metanoéō means regret and forsaking the evil by a change of heart brought about by God's Spirit. On the part of God in Heb 7:21, metamélomai means His plan of salvation for man can have no improvement; He made no mistake.

 

[Deade]

Jesus was saying Judas was bound for destruction and that Judas was given to Jesus by GOD but he was the only soul that was lost to destruction. The only soul Jesus could not save. Am I reading it wrong?

Good day pomeranian, when we speculate about another's salvation we are passing judgment on that person. God has not given any man the right to condemn another. This is an area we should stay from as a rule. God's long term plans for the unsaved are complex. That said, we are to police our own ranks, our fellow brothers and sisters: If we see them working with an erroneous matter.

James 5:19, 20 "My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

 

[pomeranian]

I think it might be helpful in this instance to refer back to the Greek word used in Matt. 27:3 - “repented” (Kjv)

There are several words translated as repented. The particular word used here for Judas was more like, he was sorry he got caught.

3338. μεταμέλομαι metamélomai; fut. metamelḗsomai, from metá (3326), denoting change of place or condition, and mélomai, mid. of mélō (n.f. see mélei [3199], to concern), to be concerned. To regret (Mt 21:29,32; 27:3; 2Co 7:8; Heb 7:21 quoted from Ps 110:4). The aor. pass. metemelḗthēn has the meaning of changing one's mind or purpose after having done something regrettable. Contrasted with metanoéō (3340), to repent, it expresses the mere desire that what is done may be undone, accompanied with regrets or even remorse, but with no effective change of heart. Metaméleia (which does not occur in the NT) is an ineffective repentance for which the forgiveness of sins is not promised (as it is for metánoia [3341], repentance, see Mk 1:4; Lk 3:3; Ac 2:38). Metamélomai, on the part of man, means little or nothing more than a selfish dread of the consequence of what one has done, whereas metanoéō means regret and forsaking the evil by a change of heart brought about by God's Spirit. On the part of God in Heb 7:21, metamélomai means His plan of salvation for man can have no improvement; He made no mistake.

Who caught him? Jesus told him before he did it he was making a mistake.

 

[Sipsey]

Who caught him? Jesus told him before he did it he was making a mistake.

Maybe an unfortunate word choice. I was applying the term for clarity, not really to Judas. I know many feel remorse but the basis or our “motives” really is what determines whether it is acceptable or not, in the sight of God.

 

[pomeranian]

Good day pomeranian, when we speculate about another's salvation we are passing judgment on that person. God has not given any man the right to condemn another. This is an area we should stay from as a rule. God's long term plans for the unsaved are complex. That said, we are to police our own ranks, our fellow brothers and sisters: If we see them working with an erroneous matter.

James 5:19, 20 "My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins." View attachment 201997

Hello, In the case of Judas Iscariot I don't know if it is possible for any person to not have an opinion or "judgment" on his actions of betraying Christ. Scripture leaves no doubt as to Judas' salvation and Jesus is the one who judged Judas as shown in this thread.
I don't think Christians are here to police that in and of itself is judgment. My belief is we are here to be examples of how being a part of Christ's body and how having the Holy Spirit of GOD is a much stronger feeling of peace and pleasure than anything Satan can offer.

 

[pomeranian]

Maybe an unfortunate word choice. I was applying the term for clarity, not really to Judas. I know many feel remorse but the basis or our “motives” really is what determines whether it is acceptable or not, in the sight of God.

agree only GOD can know the motives and true heart of any person LOVE

 

[Deade]

Hello, In the case of Judas Iscariot I don't know if it is possible for any person to not have an opinion or "judgment" on his actions of betraying Christ. Scripture leaves no doubt as to Judas' salvation and Jesus is the one who judged Judas as shown in this thread.
I don't think Christians are here to police that in and of itself is judgment. My belief is we are here to be examples of how being a part of Christ's body and how having the Holy Spirit of GOD is a much stronger feeling of peace and pleasure than anything Satan can offer.

It is okay to ask questions, but do we really know what motives Judas had and what part God played in hardening his heart? Short term, we are to judge others by our decision to keep company with them or not. What happens to the broad road sinner is only hinted at in scripture. It would be embarrassing for me, in the hereafter, to face someone that I had condemned in this life.

 

[pomeranian]

It is okay to ask questions, but do we really know what motives Judas had and what part God played in hardening his heart? Short term, we are to judge others by our decision to keep company with them or not. What happens to the broad road sinner is only hinted at in scripture. It would be embarrassing for me, in the hereafter, to face someone that I had condemned in this life.

This is a very scary response to me. I ask this question with the utmost of caution. Do you believe GOD would ever harden a mans heart to go against the Holy Spirit?

 

[pomeranian]

This is a very scary response to me. I ask this question with the utmost of caution. Do you believe GOD would ever harden a mans heart to go against the Holy Spirit?

Your words "Short term, we are to judge others by our decision to keep company with them or not. What happens to the broad road sinner is only hinted at in scripture. It would be embarrassing for me, in the hereafter, to face someone that I had condemned in this life."
By judging anothers actions to the point of (for lack of a better word) "shunning" them, from your example and display of the light that GOD gave you to shine for others; are you not kind of condemning them?

 

[Deade]

Your words "Short term, we are to judge others by our decision to keep company with them or not. What happens to the broad road sinner is only hinted at in scripture. It would be embarrassing for me, in the hereafter, to face someone that I had condemned in this life."
By judging anothers actions to the point of (for lack of a better word) "shunning" them, from your example and display of the light that GOD gave you to shine for others; are you not kind of condemning them?

You misunderstand. "Not keeping company" with someone does not amount to a shun. By all means, we will have to account on how we deal with everyone. There are ways to deal with others without judging or making friends of them.

 

[Magenta]

Repentance= a feeling of such deep regret at ones actions that one must "do something" so that they will never feel this much remorse again.
Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus[a] was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, 4 saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.”
Judas action was to end his life. I believe he knew that forgiveness was not possible as Jesus had told him as much at dinner.
Matthew 26: 24 The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”
My thoughts are that Judas' betrayal of Christ was an unforgivable sin and what doomed him. As for the Antichrist that is a whole new thread. LOVE is the answer

Being sorry for committing a harmful act against someone is not the same as repentance unto salvation