Antichrist has been revealed!

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The mark will be about worship.That was the devils problem in the beginning,thats going to be the issue in the last days.Gods also got a mark."Moreover also I gave them my Sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them." "And hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God." Ezekiel 20:20.the antichrist names his mark..
"[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Of course the Catholic church claims that the change [i.e. Sabbath to Sunday] was her act, and the act as a [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]MARK [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.[/FONT][/FONT]" [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]— H.F. Thomas, Chancellor to Cardinal Gibbons. The word anti does not have to mean against but can also mean in the place of.So the antichrist could also be somebody that wants to be in the place of Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]"[/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...[/FONT][/FONT]" [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]— Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #30, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]"[/FONT][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]We hold upon this earth the place of God almighty.[/FONT][/FONT]" [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]— Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894. [/FONT]
[/FONT]"[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.[/FONT][/FONT]" [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]— Catholic National, July 1895. [/FONT]
[/FONT]"[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.[/FONT][/FONT]" [FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow][FONT=Arial Narrow,Arial Narrow]— Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous. [/FONT]
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WILL THE POPE RULE OVER THE MUSLEMS, HINDU,S BUDDHISTS,
AND THE ATHEISTS????? PLEASE EXSPLAIN.
 
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The pope will be given authority over ALL...

except the chosen in Israel during the time of THE TWO WITNESSES
 
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if that be true then how is it that I can still buy and sell without becoming a catholic?????
for Scripture is clear that without this mark one cannot buy or sell......
you couldn't during the papacy's 1260 year domination of the world also known as the dark ages...
 
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The Original poster has already been show to be incorrect many times in this very thread. But sadly, despite this evidence, they persist in attacking the Catholic Church. Or rather, their weird perception of what the Catholic Church teaches.

you would have made a great inquisitor...
 
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you would have made a great inquisitor...
That's nice. You're still ignoring the fact that your claims have repeatedly been proven false in this very thread. In fact, I know I've debunked your claims personally in this thread at least twice.

I understand your zealousness, but you're fighting an imaginary version of the Catholic Church that only exists in the minds of Jack Chick, Alexander Hislop, etc. It's not the reality. The Catholic Catechism is available online for free for anyone to look at. That's the official teachings of the Church. If you want to debate Catholicism that's fine. I encourage it! But debate what the Catholic Church REALLY teaches, not what you mistakenly believe it to teach.
 
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NOBODY IS RIGHTEOUS NOT ONE! Romans 3:10..... Romans 10:3 warns - Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

HERE is the deal, GOD wants to make YOU.. one with CHRIST..literally... to put YOUR SPIRIT into CHRISTS and to make you ONE with GOD .. hence, HEAVEN is within you and LIVING WATER will flow from within. BUT...

YOU MUST HATE THE WORLD AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AS JESUS SAID:

ASK, READ, REPENT and only seek heaven and do not love the world of anything in it, I promise you all.. that this is what the TRUE message of the Gospel IS because IF YOU JUST OPEN your eyes and heart and take these Scriptures for what they are and BOLDLY ASK GOD for heaven within you now, the Living Water, AND KEEP READING, fasting and pushing hard reading Matthew to Revelations and suffering like JESUS did with fasting and not sinning at ALL.. GOD will do IT!

WATCH my testimony - http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum
THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH OF CHRIST HE HAS SHOWN ME HIMSELF, I COME in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE 3rd day by the FATHER who sends the HOLY SPIRIT to those who TRULY REPENT AND ASK AND SEEK AND KEEP SEEKING BOLDLY UNTIL THEY FIND... AND ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK BOLDLY as JESUS SAID in the parable with the man asking for BREAD that was turned away BUT got the bread HE wanted due to HIS BOLD PERSISTENCE!

Luke 11:8 "I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness he will get up and give him as much as he needs."
•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." HATE in really "love less by comparison." In the Greek original.
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."
• 1 John 2:15 - "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
• Rev 3:20 - "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
• Galatians 2:20 - "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me."
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"
• Hebrews 12:14 - "Without holiness no one will see the Lord."
• 2 Peter 2:2 - "Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."
• Ephesians 2:14 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

• Romans 8:9 -- "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."

• Galatians 5:20 -- "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

• Colossians 2:11 -- "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ."

• John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."

• 1 John 2:27 "...and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit."
• 1 John 3:9 - "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."

• 1 John 5:18 - "We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them."
• Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."

• John 4: 23 -- "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

• Hebrews 12:8 "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons."

• John 8:34 - Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
• Hebrews 10:26 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
 
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Even if the UN or EU or America or any other group does anything. You focus on Christ and forget about them.
Focus on Jesus.



Hebrews 12:2

fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 
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Im being serious he has to reach every man woman and child and mark them with a (chargma). Small and great rich and poor.
Im suggesting hes already been at for well over his alotted 1260 days.

the mark is the number of a man , and without the mark one can not buy or sell.
 

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John was battling the gnostic heretics.

ANTICHRIST
- This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
- who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.
- every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:2
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.



though the son of perdition paul described is likely 'gnostic' also, he's a very specific entity.

SON OF PERDITION
- that man of sin
- the son of perdition

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 
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John was battling the gnostic heretics.

ANTICHRIST
- This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
- who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.
- every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:2
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.



though the son of perdition paul described is likely 'gnostic' also, he's a very specific entity.

SON OF PERDITION
- that man of sin
- the son of perdition

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Let's make it short for everyone. Just exactly what is a specific entity that is referred to?

Zone is saying that there will be no personal, literal and individual ANTICHRIST that will assume any power on the earth nor have any personal dealings with Israel, nor will be able to deceive and turn on Israel. The man of sin and the son of perdition is not an individual person but a spirit or 'gnostic entity' that effects man. She is saying that if those that profess God as part of the church and look for a personal ANTICHRIST, or a man that claims he is God, that they will never see or find him because he has not, does not and will not exist in this world.

In other words, the ANTICHRIST is not a person and never will be. You can take that with a 'speckle of pepper' because she also thinks that Satan has been bound already at the ascension of Christ and that we have been in the millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ from the time Chris ascended into heaven, which makes it just over 2,000 years ago (or shall we say (2) millenniums ago). This is what happens when you spiritualize segments of God's revelation instead of taking them literal and applying them accordingly. When you wrestle with the scriptures in this manner, you are going to get messed up, and come out with some pretty strange ideas.
 

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Let's make it short for everyone. Just exactly what is a specific entity that is referred to?

Zone is saying that there will be no personal, literal and individual ANTICHRIST that will assume any power on the earth nor have any personal dealings with Israel, nor will be able to deceive and turn on Israel. The man of sin and the son of perdition is not an individual person but a spirit or 'gnostic entity' that effects man. She is saying that if those that profess God as part of the church and look for a personal ANTICHRIST, or a man that claims he is God, that they will never see or find him because he has not, does not and will not exist in this world.

In other words, the ANTICHRIST is not a person and never will be. You can take that with a 'speckle of pepper' because she also thinks that Satan has been bound already at the ascension of Christ and that we have been in the millennium or the 1,000 year reign of Christ from the time Chris ascended into heaven, which makes it just over 2,000 years ago (or shall we say (2) millenniums ago). This is what happens when you spiritualize segments of God's revelation instead of taking them literal and applying them accordingly. When you wrestle with the scriptures in this manner, you are going to get messed up, and come out with some pretty strange ideas.
HA?
are you still at it?

the Son of Perdition IS the personal bad guy. i believe totally he's coming. he has a SHORT SPACE.

any one who has been reading KNOWS that.

man, you are just desperate.

show me where it says anywhere in Scripture Antichrist with a capital A.

you're getting tedious. *bang clang clang bang*

see here Redster? the bad guy is a gnostic craft creep. HELLO?

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though the son of perdition paul described is likely 'gnostic' also, he's a very specific entity.

SON OF PERDITION
- that man of sin
- the son of perdition

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

maybe its the word entity that threw you.
SATAN entered into judas, the other SON OF PERDITION....do you need Chapter & Verse on that? or....
 
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though the son of perdition paul described is likely 'gnostic' also, he's a very specific entity.

Come on now Zone. Does this entity come from human stock, angelic stock or what? Get it out in the open so that we know where you are coming from and like you always ask, include the scriptures. No clanging, just slap it on the table for all to behold.

Judas was from human stock that Satan entered into, who is this other that is inhabited by this evil entity?
 

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though the son of perdition paul described is likely 'gnostic' also, he's a very specific entity.

Come on now Zone. Does this entity come from human stock, angelic stock or what? Get it out in the open so that we know where you are coming from and like you always ask, include the scriptures. No clanging, just slap it on the table for all to behold.

Judas was from human stock that Satan entered into, who is this other that is inhabited by this evil entity?
why, he'll be a man. into the occult (craft/kabbalah)
and he'll receive his power from satan.

you can send your apology and a seed offering to 555 grassy knoll lane, peroria illinois. k?:D

tell us about your Antichrist. lemme guess....he's an arab, right? prolly from Iran?
 
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why, he'll be a man. into the occult (craft/kabbalah)
and he'll receive his power from satan.

you can send your apology and a seed offering to 555 grassy knoll lane, peroria illinois. k?:D

tell us about your Antichrist. lemme guess....he's an arab, right? prolly from Iran?
Wow, now that's an objective answer, but I don't see the scriptures. If that is only your opinion then I understand and it's okay not to site any proof text for it, but it would be nice to base it on something that is reliable and trustworthy don't you think?

I have heard what some have said but personally I have no idea as to his ethnic origin, but he will be very persuasive with the Jews of Israel and Israel doesn't get along with there half brothers who descend from Ishmael. No apology, but I would like to see the scriptures in support of your claim or some (concise) reliable source that is not bias and is considered balanced and trustworthy, if you have one.
 

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Wow, now that's an objective answer, but I don't see the scriptures. If that is only your opinion then I understand and it's okay not to site any proof text for it, but it would be nice to base it on something that is reliable and trustworthy don't you think?

I have heard what some have said but personally I have no idea as to his ethnic origin, but he will be very persuasive with the Jews of Israel and Israel doesn't get along with there half brothers who descend from Ishmael. No apology, but I would like to see the scriptures in support of your claim or some (concise) reliable source that is not bias and is considered balanced and trustworthy, if you have one.
i have all of that.
but you are disingenuous, so you'll have to do the work yourself.
good diversion tactics though.

so.....the conditioning IS holding: the bad guy will be islamic. RIGHT! how handy is THAT?

did muslims do 9-11 red?

is that why we all have to take part in these imperialst wars for israel?
did you know the pharisees traditions say they will control the whole region for their golden age?

SURPRISE!

and its one....two....three....what are we fightin' for...!

don't ask me i don't give a....!
 
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maybe YOU are the antichrist?? maybe the antichrist is someone who emulates christ with a hateful dispostition polluting the air with false messages and pointing fingers at other antichrists, what is not like Christ is anti christ... papal empirialism is not like christ who washed the feet of his disciples... i know that if the antichrist where here rite now,,, HE WOULD BE SAYING THAT THE ANTICHRIST WERE SOMEBODY ELSE
 
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dont talk about the demons, devils and darkness... that is a way that it draws you into itself, even if you think you know what the sides look like, you could be on the wrong one, demons after all do have power as fallen angels, but that is NOTHING in the eye of Gods power
 
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dont talk about the demons, devils and darkness... that is a way that it draws you into itself, even if you think you know what the sides look like, you could be on the wrong one, demons after all do have power as fallen angels, but that is NOTHING in the eye of Gods power
I want to talk about demons, devils and darkness. if we don't identify the enemy and their devices to corrupt then how can we use the spiritual weapons and words of the Bible to combat them?

Faith and grace and trust that God keeps us safe should show us what is what. Demons have NO POWER except that of lies and illusions. they use the power GOD gave YOU to wreck their destruction. Its YOUR FAITH in THEM that gives them power over you and this material world. If you have the Holy Spirit residing in you then You will KNOW that the power that lives within YOU is more powerful then any power that walks on Earth. We were coals and have been transformed into diamonds through the fire of the Holy Spirit. We have been baptized with Fire and Water.

The nature of the Anti Christ will claim to be very Christlike. Evil wears the garments of the saved. He will be exclaimed as the Savior of the world. He will be open to all religions and pretend to hold the ideals of peace, justice and equality as a veneer for gross injustice. People will be sacrificed on the altar of "peace" if they stand up and speak the Truth. Money will be their vanguard and means of control. He will preform "miracles" to deceive even God's chosen. Many will worship him, because he will say there is no God except what Mankind creates.

The mark of the God is a circumsized heart. why then wouldn't the mark of the beast be something spiritual as well? everyone is marked already, is it for God or for the world.

Think Satan asked God for Peter but Jesus told him that he prayed for his soul. According to scripture the Devil gets those who deny Jesus. Peter did it three times the night of Christ's cruxification. That was a sin but Jesus intervened and saved his soul.

We can spend our time talking about the Antichrist or spend it talking about Jesus.

Personally I don't think the Antichrist has been revealed yet and nothing I've read has shown me that he has been revealed. You will know when it happens when the world is united under the leadership of one dictator and he proclaims himself. For it to happen, Israel must fall to the hands of unbelievers and a God of Fortress must be established in the Temple (at least that is what Daniel 11 v. 36

"Then the King shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. but in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. ...

He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels, but news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many..."

1,290 days is how long Daniel says this King will rule. Has it already happened or does the prophecy still stand? History is my worst subject so I'm just wondering what prophecies still stand and which has already been fulfilled?

I think we are in the age of false prophets and teachers. you see them popping up everywhere leading people astray. How do you find the narrow path?
 
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Thank God for The Two Witnesess...They will set this all straight, once and for all.

when They reveal rome is the whore...

and the pope is the man of sin...

then what will you all do?

MOST OF YOU WILL BURN!!!

suffer...lol...