Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Unfortunately you’re self righteous. But you don’t always have to be that way. You can glorify God for the free, irrevocable gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ. I pray you receive His grace.

I do not even have to look and see who you are addressing......he was banned like two or three times in the last two years or so.......I almost had to get high blood pressure pills after engaging him for a few months.....and for sure have a few bruises on my forehead from banging my head on the wall..............

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EXACTLY.........and one right after another they have come and gone, been banned or put on ignore......HAH---->Thanks be to the Moderator "gods" and the ignore button....otherwise I would have been committed or banned by now.....probably towed the line a few ties though HA

You and me both bro!!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Who doesn't love?

Poverty of life experience. The world is missing love at a fundamental level, and people become so
blunted, violence and abuse are common place. Anxiousness, fear, loneliness, nervous break downs,
bitterness, betrayal, hatred, a desire for revenge and a refusal to forgive.

4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals--these are the very things that destroy them.
11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam's error; they have been destroyed in Korah's rebellion.
12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm--shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted--twice dead.
Jude 1

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1

There is no lack of evil in this world, it is righteousness and love being shown which is lacking.

 

[dcontroversal]

1: We don’t hope; we rejoice.

2: We don’t have faith in grace, we have faith in Jesus Christ. Grace is the free gift of said faith.

Not to mention that the HOPE listed is a confident expectation of something guaranteed....NOT they crap they peddle....a type of hope akin to when one buys a lottery ticket....

 

[dcontroversal]

Funny how deceivers skip right over the word "AND" to peddle their deceptive lottery type losable and or earned salvation.....

 

[dcontroversal]

You’ve totally taking my words out of context. In other news, water is wet.

Welcome to the land of deceivers.....same thing Satan did in the garden........take it out of context and then embellish it

 

[Chester]

Well I am against needing to work in order to be or stay saved...
if that is what you meant.



Ohhhh no I am definitely accusing you of lacking some understanding of Gods promises...😂

Just I don't think your lack of understanding or knowledge means lack of faith in Jesus Christ.


I do NOT think youre a wolf...

The fact you think you could just walk away from Jesus after being born again is wrong though.

1 :john 2:19

If I said a person can "just walk away from Jesus after being born again" - please find it and quote it -- ? I think that is your perception of anyone who does not believe in OSAS - those are not my words . . .

 

[dcontroversal]

The HOPE of eternal life, which God, who CAN NOT LIE, promised before time began. (The apostle paul)


They do not believe you have eternal life, they preach conditional life, it is they who have no hope.. Our hope is in Gods promises, not in our own righteousness

Like I have said....they peddle a lottery type of hope instead of the bible's hope....a confident expectation of SOMETHING GUARANTEED............these false gospels make me want to spew...

 

[dcontroversal]

Umm, so who did the burning and who are these unfruitful branches?

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

He obviously cannot read or simply skims right over the word MEN.....

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I do not even have to look and see who you are addressing......he was banned like two or three times in the last two years or so.......I almost had to get high blood pressure pills after engaging him for a few months.....and for sure have a few bruises on my forehead from banging my head on the wall..............

This is so strange, I wonder what is being addressed here.

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3

Working faith is so resisted, that Jesus calls us to break up the hard soil of our hearts and let
His love and the Holy Spirit change us into His likeness.

Hatred and antipathy against the work of God can go so deep, that the people hate with venom and bile,
like it is something they can imagine but not touch. It never occurs to them that possible their hearts
are not right with the Lord and nothing so dramatic should take place.

But such is the pride of life, people will do anything to fight against it.

12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
13 Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
Col 3

You know those who come with another spirit, who wish to tear, destroy and bring down others,
through whatever means they can. These are not people of the light, but false teachers and
bearers of heresy. But praise the Lord, the elect will not listen to them, which is serious reassurance
to know.

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 10

It is rather obvious when Christ words cannot be spoken by some, that this testifies to where
their hearts are. Praise the Lord that no one can snatch us out of Hid hands, Amen.

 

[OneOfHis]

If I said a person can "just walk away from Jesus after being born again" - please find it and quote it -- ? I think that is your perception of anyone who does not believe in OSAS - those are not my words . . .

You never said those exact words that I have seen, I can not quote it.


But you have made the point someone can be saved at one point... born again... and ultimately end up in hell


This is not about "anyone" or "osas"

this is about your personal beliefs against my own and our disagreements


You believe I misunderstand some of Gods promises

and vise versa



I believe when we are made new and saved... we are one of Gods children


and I believe every single one of His children born of His power remain His children and ultimately end up in heaven

 

[dcontroversal]

IF they fall away

It does not say they do, it does not flat out say they can, It just says if. Which can also mean if it were possible

If they wall away, they can not be renewed.

If salvation can be lost. It can not be renewed. SAYING salvation can be lost, puts christ to shame, It says his death was insufficient. That is what those who return to law say. And that is the context of this passage.

It is hilariously tragic that the very verse they quote to prove the loss of salvation is actually saying it is impossible.........

 

[dcontroversal]

I understand and agree with your sentiment here - I think you care deeply that we do not think that our works will get us saved, keep us saved, or get us "brownie points" with God! Amen! I agree!

Except for the fact that you do not believe what you say here...I have seen you on more than one occasion say that salvation can be lost or forfeit......and if it can be lost or forfeit by what MAN DOES or DOES NOT DO then it MUST BE MAINTAINED by WHAT MAN DOES or DOES NOT DO.........very deceptive

 

[FollowHisSteps]

3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15

Jesus's words taken into our hearts, believed and lived out purifies and makes us holy.
This is a spiritual wonder, that the power of God is in His words, for Christ Himself
is Gods word to us, the author and finisher of our salvation, Amen

 

[dcontroversal]

Well then you cannot have a thread about justification without works either? . . .

Because both are the same: Justification is not by works: Sanctification is not by works

Wrong.......they are not the same.........one is a one off event eternally given by faith and the applied blood of Christ...a legal term meaning rendered innocent<---Justification

the other is dual in nature and applied to the believer <--Sanctification

Positionally placed in Christ eternally and then used to describe an ongoing process of growth and maturity which is subject to successes and failures

Get your facts straight....this is why you peddle that which can be forfeit and or lost.....if but in a subtle way.....

 

[VCO]

You tell me all I have is false doctrine, I am totally deceived, Not a true Christian, then ask me for my personal testimony? I am not sure how this approach works with others but I have discerned that would only be met with the same type of ridicule given me so far and as such, I pass.

Sorry if I offended you, even though I do not know how. You have a BAD HABIT of putting words in others mouths, when the truth is it was not what they SAID. Here is MY STATEMENT that you manipulated to say what you ONLY THOUGHT I MEANT. Oh my, how totally Deceived you are, ABOUT WHAT IS A TRUE CHRISTIAN. I was only commenting on including never BORN AGAIN so called Believers, as ones who are also True Christians. You can be deceived about Thinking Many are Christians, when they truly are not, there fruit exposes them; and still be a TRUE CHRISTIAN. Many are on the WRONG ROAD that leads to Destruction in hades/hell. ONLY A FEW IT and enter the right Gate which is Repenting and Receiving JESUS as LORD, meaning MASTER.

I still would like to hear your Testimony of How you were Born Again, and How you KNOW it was Real?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

5 Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
John 14

If we see Jesus through a pure heart we know God. Not know about Him from a distance, but in
assurance and faith, we ..... know ..... God. What a gift, what a blessing, what a declaration to marverlous
for us to even begin to take in.

Would we betray this Saviour, this King, this lover of our hearts by continuing to walk in evil and
commiting sin daily as if it is a light irrelevant thing? Why know, if we see this King we will desire
to do anything and everything in our power to bring honour and praise to His Name amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

It is hilariously tragic that the very verse they quote to prove the loss of salvation is actually saying it is impossible.........

It is 100% predictable that those who have not received transforming love in their hearts
cannot conceive that trampling on it would destroy the very foundation of their lives.

It is like someone who has never flown in an aircraft wondering why there is a warning
if you jump out of the aircraft there is no way back other than a very quick soggy end.

 

[Smooth]

Who doesn't love?

Poverty of life experience. The world is missing love at a fundamental level, and people become so
blunted, violence and abuse are common place. Anxiousness, fear, loneliness, nervous break downs,
bitterness, betrayal, hatred, a desire for revenge and a refusal to forgive.

4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals--these are the very things that destroy them.
11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam's error; they have been destroyed in Korah's rebellion.
12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm--shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted--twice dead.
Jude 1

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1

There is no lack of evil in this world, it is righteousness and love being shown which is lacking.

So you can’t give specifics.
That’s what I figured, and correctly so.

 

[BillG]

No I believe in repentance and the infinite value of the Blood of Christ.

So is that yes they can or no they can't or won't.

I assume you say they cannot come back to Christ?