Not By Works

[VCO]

How me, Quoting scripture straight from the Word of Gods, with a question, is confusing to you, may be the problem. DO NOT IMPLY I AM NOT SAVED, NOT ONE MORE TIME IN ANY WAY.

I am JUST BEGINNING TO THINK SO. The straw that broke the camels back, is your refusal to Tell me how you were Born Again, and How you know it was REAL? You yourself, made me think you DO NOT KNOW how to answer it; probably because You were raised in a Church that DID NOT TEACH BORN AGAIN. Born Again Christians are HAPPY to tell other How they were Born Again, it is baffling how come you are NOT.

I used to BE like that, in the Lutheran Church. THANK GOD, I had the Boldness to LEAVE, and find a BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH.

One that taught these verse AND explained what GOD means by BORN AGAIN:

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.


Please tell me, what type of Church do you call HOME ? ? ?

 

[dcontroversal]

I am JUST BEGINNING TO THINK SO. The straw that broke the camels back, is your refusal to Tell me how you were Born Again, and How you know it was REAL? You yourself, made me think you DO NOT KNOW how to answer it; probably because You were raised in a Church that DID NOT TEACH BORN AGAIN. Born Again Christians are HAPPY to tell other How they were Born Again, it is baffling how come you are NOT.

I used to BE like that, in the Lutheran Church. THANK GOD, I had the Boldness to LEAVE, and find a BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH.

One that taught these verse AND explained what GOD means by BORN AGAIN:

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.


Please tell me, what type of Church do you call HOME ? ? ?

Good luck...................

 

[VCO]

Good luck...................

I don't know why I keep trying, it may be a waste of time.

 

[DeighAnn]

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Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:
Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name,
Jeremiah 32:19 Great in counsel, and mighty in work: for thine eyes are open upon all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings:


Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[FollowHisSteps]

It is odd one verse God remaining true to His nature and word, is taken to mean He will accept
the faithless as if they are faithfull. But this appears as a miss-understanding of Pauls writing.
God will never deny Himself or His promises to those who have faith, and not reject those who have
none, He will remain faithful to this reality. He cannot deny the rejection of sinners and
rebellion against righteousness. If we deny Him He will deny us.

Another way of thinking about this is we are not saved because God has faith in us, rather
that we have faith in Him. God remains faithful always, if we reach out in faith, He will catch us.

There is always hope of return if we have faith.

11 If we died with him, we will also live with him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
2 Tim 2

The door is never shut, the prodigal son can return and find a home if they but believe
and call out to the Lord.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I am JUST BEGINNING TO THINK SO. The straw that broke the camels back, is your refusal to Tell me how you were Born Again, and How you know it was REAL?

I am sorry to say VCO regards himself as the authority over another, that they have to share their
experience in Christ to legitimise their position in Christ before him.

If you flatten someone, beat them up and then threaten them with rejection unless they say
the right words, it stands to reason someone might actually think you are not a loving Holy Spirit
filled believer intending something good. There is no reason why anyone has to respond, and
good reason to just be silent, as Jesus was before Pilate and Herod.

This aggressive approach, is it because of ministry in prison or being in the army, or just having
a tough youth? Jesus is the most precious experience we have in our lives, and to share such
a thing for it to be trampled on is not what our hearts desire.

This is a forum of equals, blessed in Christ God willing, sharing the blessing Christ is to our hearts.
Once it goes away from this, another arena has developed where only those fully armoured should
enter, because the fiery darts of the enemy will be flying around. God bless you, may you find
His peace and love in your heart as you walk with Him, Amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

It is even more odd that a previously banned dishonest ember would lecture anyone on being faithful while denying that which is written to saved, immersed church members....par for the course though....!!

 

[DeighAnn]

I am JUST BEGINNING TO THINK SO. The straw that broke the camels back, is your refusal to Tell me how you were Born Again, and How you know it was REAL? You yourself, made me think you DO NOT KNOW how to answer it; probably because You were raised in a Church that DID NOT TEACH BORN AGAIN. Born Again Christians are HAPPY to tell other How they were Born Again, it is baffling how come you are NOT.

I used to BE like that, in the Lutheran Church. THANK GOD, I had the Boldness to LEAVE, and find a BIBLE TEACHING CHURCH.

One that taught these verse AND explained what GOD means by BORN AGAIN:

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.


Please tell me, what type of Church do you call HOME ? ? ?

509 anothen (a) from above, from heaven, (b) from the beginning, from their origin (source), from of old, (c) again, anew.
This is in opposition to the fallen angels refusing to be born of woman.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be FROM ABOVE he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
BORN OF THE MOTHERS WOMB AND THEN BORN OF THE SPIRIT AT BAPTISM
4151 PNEUMA wind, breath, spirit. Heb ruach

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
REPEATING ONCE AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME MOTHERS WOMB, THEN WHEN BAPTISED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AT WATER BAPTISM JUST LIKE JOHN GAVE JESUS WHEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDED UPON HIM LIKE A DOVE

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born FROM ABOVEagain.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 4151 WIND SPIRIT BREATHE OF LIFE

many membered body. all with different gifts from God. all placed in different places. is what I say to what you think about me or my upbringing, or my relationship with God or my spirit filled life.
Please, no need to tell me how I am Wrong again, hopefully you will realize soon, we do not have the same beliefs. We read the same passage, and though I don't get mad that you do not read and understand as I do, you do. I find it very strange.
All the 'non salvation losers' say you stand for once saved always saved then get mad at people who use it but don't believe it which you should understand more that the ones who don't. It really is... I don't really know the word for that. I might have to make up a word.

Definition
A belief in something that sets everyone free yet angers the believer when those, who are free, use it without the belief.
A belief in doctrine that sets everyone free while at the same time angering the believer at those who freely use it without the belief.

Not quite right but Ill work on it.

A beliefanger, with definition #2

 

[DeighAnn]

I am sorry to say VCO regards himself as the authority over another, that they have to share their
experience in Christ to legitimise their position in Christ before him.

If you flatten someone, beat them up and then threaten them with rejection unless they say
the right words, it stands to reason someone might actually think you are not a loving Holy Spirit
filled believer intending something good. There is no reason why anyone has to respond, and
good reason to just be silent, as Jesus was before Pilate and Herod.

This aggressive approach, is it because of ministry in prison or being in the army, or just having
a tough youth? Jesus is the most precious experience we have in our lives, and to share such
a thing for it to be trampled on is not what our hearts desire.

This is a forum of equals, blessed in Christ God willing, sharing the blessing Christ is to our hearts.
Once it goes away from this, another arena has developed where only those fully armoured should
enter, because the fiery darts of the enemy will be flying around. God bless you, may you find
His peace and love in your heart as you walk with Him, Amen.

I love this mood of yours best.

 

[DeighAnn]

509 anothen (a) from above, from heaven, (b) from the beginning, from their origin (source), from of old, (c) again, anew.
This is in opposition to the fallen angels refusing to be born of woman.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be FROM ABOVE he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
BORN OF THE MOTHERS WOMB AND THEN BORN OF THE SPIRIT AT BAPTISM
4151 PNEUMA wind, breath, spirit. Heb ruach

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
REPEATING ONCE AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME MOTHERS WOMB, THEN WHEN BAPTISED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AT WATER BAPTISM JUST LIKE JOHN GAVE JESUS WHEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDED UPON HIM LIKE A DOVE

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born FROM ABOVEagain.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 4151 WIND SPIRIT BREATHE OF LIFE

many membered body. all with different gifts from God. all placed in different places. is what I say to what you think about me or my upbringing, or my relationship with God or my spirit filled life.
Please, no need to tell me how I am Wrong again, hopefully you will realize soon, we do not have the same beliefs. We read the same passage, and though I don't get mad that you do not read and understand as I do, you do. I find it very strange.
All the 'non salvation losers' say you stand for once saved always saved then get mad at people who use it but don't believe it which you should understand more that the ones who don't. It really is... I don't really know the word for that. I might have to make up a word.

Definition
A belief in something that sets everyone free yet angers the believer when those, who are free, use it without the belief.
A belief in doctrine that sets everyone free while at the same time angering the believer at those who freely use it without the belief.

Not quite right but Ill work on it.

A beliefanger, with definition #2

I am sticking with "A beliefanger" but cant figure whether to go with that or "Abeliefanger"
The anger of the believer of the doctrine OSAS when they figure out it covers those without the belief just the same as it covers them who don't believe it.

 

[Smooth]

How me, Quoting scripture straight from the Word of Gods, with a question, is confusing to you, may be the problem. DO NOT IMPLY I AM NOT SAVED, NOT ONE MORE TIME IN ANY WAY.

How are you saved?

 

[DeighAnn]

How are you saved?

Why are you being rude? Or did you not discern the tone of the message?

 

[Smooth]

Easy believism - a ticket touts entry.

Compliments of God via grace through having faith in Jesus Christ. Why does that upset you?

 

[Smooth]

Why are you being rude? Or did you not discern the tone of the message?

Translation: not through faith in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[DeighAnn]

Translation: not through faith in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ.

You are rude

 

[Smooth]

You are rude

I want you to be saved. That is not being rude, that is loving you.

 

[DeighAnn]

If that is your example of being saved, then I am going to stick with what happened in my life.

 

[Smooth]

If that is your example of being saved, then I am going to stick with what happened in my life.

If you do not have faith in Jesus Christ and rejoice in the grace afforded you by merely believing in Him, then you are not saved regardless of whatever else happened in your life.

 

[DeighAnn]

Sarcasm is especially ugly on a Christian, wouldn't you agree?

 

[DeighAnn]

I'll be a Christian and let it go.