Works can NEVER earn salvation
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Yes, john is trying to tell people to help each other with their sins, Just like he tells us to confess our sins to each other.
So if we see a brother get drunk, get in a car, and get in a crash and not die (he did not die the sin unto death) we need to come as brothers and sisters and HELP this brother. Because next time he may not be so lucky, and he may hurt or kill someone else.
Yes, john is trying to tell people to help each other with their sins, Just like he tells us to confess our sins to each other.
So if we see a brother get drunk, get in a car, and get in a crash and not die (he did not die the sin unto death) we need to come as brothers and sisters and HELP this brother. Because next time he may not be so lucky, and he may hurt or kill someone else.
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Been through this yet you still insist on this nonsense.
WE CAN NOT FOLLOW ThE LAW
If we CAN NOT FOLLOW ThE LAW. How can I say we DO?
Thats like asking a person does he fly through the sky to go to his vacation. When humans can not fly.. and when the person you ask, says you can not fly, you get mad at them and say they did nto answer your question.
1 more time the requirment of the law is PERFECTION. You can not FOLLW UP TO THAT STANDARD!
WE CAN NOT FOLLOW ThE LAW
If we CAN NOT FOLLOW ThE LAW. How can I say we DO?
Thats like asking a person does he fly through the sky to go to his vacation. When humans can not fly.. and when the person you ask, says you can not fly, you get mad at them and say they did nto answer your question.
1 more time the requirment of the law is PERFECTION. You can not FOLLW UP TO THAT STANDARD!
The words of John is not about people, but about the sins. He said there are two kinds of sins: the ones that "incur death" and the ones that do not. Of course, he is referring to people WHO get involved on each of those kinds of sins. We must know that there are two different kinds of sins, and we certainly can have an idea of which ones are the worse ones and which ones are not that "bad" and we can pray for the ones who practice them (and help them in other ways) to help them to be better christians. And here is where we should know WHO "will not inherit God’s Kingdom" as Paul said on 1Cor.6:9,10.
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um no, its nothing like that, these laws are real, they are right there in the books of Ex and Dt and available for anyone to read, we also have a perfect example of Jesus that followed these laws.
if you thnk they can not be followed and are not meant for us, then it means we can break these laws anytime we want, thats the problem with this theology, its been drawn to your attention many times, but you just absolutely refuse to acknowledge it.
it causes many other problems as well:
the Father made a mistake giving these laws.
Jesus the perfect example is actually not the perfect example.
it also parallels Luciferian doctrine, they believe Lucifer liberated them from the law. the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Lucifer IMO would be different and not the exact same.
if you thnk they can not be followed and are not meant for us, then it means we can break these laws anytime we want, thats the problem with this theology, its been drawn to your attention many times, but you just absolutely refuse to acknowledge it.
it causes many other problems as well:
the Father made a mistake giving these laws.
Jesus the perfect example is actually not the perfect example.
it also parallels Luciferian doctrine, they believe Lucifer liberated them from the law. the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Lucifer IMO would be different and not the exact same.
I certainly can see when someone is spiritually dead ... I can see it in their behavior:
Matt 7:15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].
Matt 7:15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].
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Your right
They are real
They are written
Where your wrong and continue to fail to realise
Is God required ALL OF THEM BE OBEYED, anyone who did not obey brought upon them the curse of the law. That curse is death/
1 sin your guilty
You already failed, and you continue to fail and you will until you die..
YOU CANNOT KEEP ThE LAW
When you come to this FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE, you will finally see
They are real
They are written
Where your wrong and continue to fail to realise
Is God required ALL OF THEM BE OBEYED, anyone who did not obey brought upon them the curse of the law. That curse is death/
1 sin your guilty
You already failed, and you continue to fail and you will until you die..
YOU CANNOT KEEP ThE LAW
When you come to this FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE, you will finally see
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He never required anyone to follow the law perfectly or there would be no point of forgiveness, repenting.
and again, sin is the curse, not the law. lets go back the example i gave and you ignored:
do not murder, this is a good thing, its not a curse to NOT murder people, the curse is ignoring the law (or telling yourself its not meant for you) and going out and killing everyone.
Jesus IMO did not come to make it ok for us to go out and murder everyone. its mind boggling anyone would think such nonesense.
and again, sin is the curse, not the law. lets go back the example i gave and you ignored:
do not murder, this is a good thing, its not a curse to NOT murder people, the curse is ignoring the law (or telling yourself its not meant for you) and going out and killing everyone.
Jesus IMO did not come to make it ok for us to go out and murder everyone. its mind boggling anyone would think such nonesense.
You are not getting what John said ... You are too focussed on your "common sense", so you don't listen what I am saying. John is talking about praying for others. It is impossible that he was talking about not praying for the ones incurring on sins "that does incur death" referring to people who we can not recognize ... John is not talking nonsenses.
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Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them
Deut 27: 26 - Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Your argument is with moses and paul. Not me
Deut 27: 26 - Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Your argument is with moses and paul. Not me
Try to get my point as I got yours, please.
John is saying that we can pray for people who does not incur on certain kind of sins. That implies, obvious to me, that we can recognize for which ones we can pray and for which ones we can not pray ... depending on the sins the person incurred. John's words imply we can recognize each one of those ... you're saying we can not.
John is saying that we can pray for people who does not incur on certain kind of sins. That implies, obvious to me, that we can recognize for which ones we can pray and for which ones we can not pray ... depending on the sins the person incurred. John's words imply we can recognize each one of those ... you're saying we can not.
John is not talking about physical death ... A person can practice "sin that does incur death" and staying physically alive ... If the person dies because of something wrong that he did, John would not be differenciating among both kind of sins and warning about praying for those people. You can not get the point. 
Because you can not follow the law than stealing inherit the kingdom and Paul lie?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.