The Irreducible Complex System (Psa. 77:13)

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...he does not need to enter some imaginary place again to offer his blood....
Two errors there, and strawmen. The Heavenly sanctuary is very real, nothing imaginary about it. Secondly, when Jesus asccended He was glorified, not having blood, but rather Flesh and bones.
 
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#42
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Yes or no?

The priests of old were the shadow that "serve unto the example" of "heavenly things".
 
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#43
Two errors there, and strawmen. The Heavenly sanctuary is very real, nothing imaginary about it. Secondly, when Jesus asccended He was glorified, not having blood, but rather Flesh and bones.
One must realize that only blood can forgave sin. So if anyone commits a sin the cross did not pay for. There is no hope..

So the question is, Which sin did Christ not pay for (hint, Jesus gave the answer to the pharisees)
 
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#44
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Yes or no?

The priests of old were the shadow that "serve unto the example" of "heavenly things".


Yes, And he fulfilled every part of it.

Yes or no.

Jesus is high priest in order of melchizidech or levi?
 
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#45
One must realize that only blood can forgave sin. So if anyone commits a sin the cross did not pay for. There is no hope..

So the question is, Which sin did Christ not pay for (hint, Jesus gave the answer to the pharisees)
What are you talking about? No one is negating the blood atonement. The question is about the ministration, not the sacrifice.
 
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#46
Can you be cut off in the Day of Atonement?

Its when we were added. No cutting off for new creatures.

He is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. Not after the one time outward demonstration using corrupted flesh typified as sinful in order to demonstrate the unseen work of God pouring out His unseen Spirit on flesh seen.

Something the letter of the law could not do and is where the "law of faith" the eternal not seen makes its entry . Of that corrupted flesh Jesus says it profits for nothing. . zero.
 
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#48
What are you talking about? No one is negating the blood atonement. The question is about the ministration, not the sacrifice.
The question is about what caused the administration and when it occurred

The question is, What did jesus mean when he said “it is finished” or literally “paid in full”

D you understand the greek word “Tetelestai” meant to the the people in christ’s day? And the significants it had in the justice system?
 
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#49
When did Jesus fulfill Tabernacles, Atonement and Trumpets (all Fall feasts), before or after Pentecost (Acts 2, Rev. 5:6; Psalms 133:1-3)?
Ask Jesus

Luke 24: Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
 
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#50
Yes, And he fulfilled every part of it.

Yes or no.

Jesus is high priest in order of melchizidech or levi?
Order of Melchizedek, in whom was Levi (Hebrews 7):

Psa_110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Levi (meaning 'Attached to', such as Jesus is attached to the Father, and to us), was typical.

Jesus is not a Levitical priest, since He is of Juda (Rev. 5:5). He doesn't have to be, since they were merely the type, given by God (Jesus) about what He (Jesus) would do in the Melchizedical (King priest of Salem) priesthood.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Melchizedek never had a "sanctuary" as did the Levites.

When Jesus ascended, where is He first seen, what Place, Holy or Most Holy:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Where did the Father receive Jesus?

Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
 
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Ask Jesus

Luke 24: Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
Refers to the first coming. Not the events leading to the 2nd (which were then in process of fulfillment, and still are) and 3rd coming. Read the context:

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
 
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#52
op's name means 'the ten commandments', or if you prefer 'agenda warning'

not going to get anywhere
 
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#53
Order of Melchizedek, in whom was Levi (Hebrews 7):

Psa_110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Levi (meaning 'Attached to', such as Jesus is attached to the Father, and to us), was typical.

Jesus is not a Levitical priest, since He is of Juda (Rev. 5:5). He doesn't have to be, since they were merely the type, given by God (Jesus) about what He (Jesus) would do in the Melchizedical (King priest of Salem) priesthood.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Melchizedek never had a "sanctuary" as did the Levites.

When Jesus ascended, where is He first seen, what Place, Holy or Most Holy:

Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Where did the Father receive Jesus?

Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Sometimes it is better to just read the passage in context. For it shows what the author meant by what he said

For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.



And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest [f]forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),
22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.
23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.


You see a HUGE difference between the new covenant and his priesthood. And the old. Which was weak and insufficient.


Jesus can save completely what the levitical priesthood could not even begin to save, Jesus is forever, the levitical died. Jesus was perfect. The priest had to make sacrifice for his own sins.
 
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#55
Refers to the first coming. Not the events leading to the 2nd (which were then in process of fulfillment, and still are) and 3rd coming. Read the context:

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
The context of justification sanctification and glorification was dalt with completely in his first coming

So can we stick to context please?
 
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#56
You see a HUGE difference between the new covenant and his priesthood. And the old. Which was weak and insufficient.
Not arguing about the covenants. I am New Covenant, Jeremiah 31:33. The old covenant is found in Exodus 19 (and also the Eternal covenant).
 
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#57
Two errors there, and strawmen. The Heavenly sanctuary is very real, nothing imaginary about it. Secondly, when Jesus asccended He was glorified, not having blood, but rather Flesh and bones.
Try again.....you are the one saying he did not enter the Holiest place of ALL......and the more you talk, the more obvious it becomes that you are seriously confused.........

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
 

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#58
Two errors there, and strawmen. The Heavenly sanctuary is very real, nothing imaginary about it. Secondly, when Jesus asccended He was glorified, not having blood, but rather Flesh and bones.

you have to make HUGE Biblical stretches to try and say Jesus had no Blood after His resurrection.

What would have happened to the food He ate after resurrection?

He could still have holes in His Hands and Feet, and side without Blood gushing out.
 
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op's name means 'the ten commandments', or if you prefer 'agenda warning'

not going to get anywhere
YEP......100% agree............like I said.....only what is hammered out on his own anvil and a conflated gospel that has JESUS still needing to enter the Holiest to offer his blood.......

Like Chuck Berry on the Gong Show........BONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG false!!!!