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Nope.
Jesus makes sense to me but your explanation of God doesn't, because i still don't get this essence thing.
1. Jesus, was one person, one being and ONE GOD. Meaning; no one looked at Jesus and said 3 distinct persons
2. ALL DEITY dwelt in Him in bodily form. Meaning; there were no extra deity apart from this one person called Jesus
3. If there's any other distinct person apart from Jesus, that makes them two Gods; doesn't matter if they share one essence, they'd still make two Gods.
And claiming one essence doesn't change anything.
Jesus makes sense to me but your explanation of God doesn't, because i still don't get this essence thing.
1. Jesus, was one person, one being and ONE GOD. Meaning; no one looked at Jesus and said 3 distinct persons
2. ALL DEITY dwelt in Him in bodily form. Meaning; there were no extra deity apart from this one person called Jesus
3. If there's any other distinct person apart from Jesus, that makes them two Gods; doesn't matter if they share one essence, they'd still make two Gods.
And claiming one essence doesn't change anything.
The union that the Father has with the Son is a model for the type of union believers should have with one another. This union includes an accord between their purposes, but is not limited to it. There is a union of essence which accompanies it.
Believers have been joined spiritually with Christ. Christ lives in them. Because each believer is united with Christ spiritually, there is a shared union between believers through Christ. This should lead to an accord between believers.
However, in no way does this mean a believer shares in the deity of Jesus or the Father. Believers partake of the energies of Christ through this spiritual union, though, and are being transformed into his image, and in that manner they partake of the divine nature and become more and more like Jesus (God).
So, I do not deny that the union the Father and Son has means they are of one accord, like believers should be of one accord, but it's not limited to oneness of purpose. The Father and Son have oneness of essence, too.
Believers have been joined spiritually with Christ. Christ lives in them. Because each believer is united with Christ spiritually, there is a shared union between believers through Christ. This should lead to an accord between believers.
However, in no way does this mean a believer shares in the deity of Jesus or the Father. Believers partake of the energies of Christ through this spiritual union, though, and are being transformed into his image, and in that manner they partake of the divine nature and become more and more like Jesus (God).
So, I do not deny that the union the Father and Son has means they are of one accord, like believers should be of one accord, but it's not limited to oneness of purpose. The Father and Son have oneness of essence, too.
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notice you dodging everything i said. was anything in that statement i made false?
rule number one in trolling when you have nothing of substance, attack their spelling, character or try and connect them to some boogyman. bless your heart.
im not trying to pull the Most High down to anything, an example of this would be someone claiming the Most High is three, but one, but three in one, but one in three, and all the rest and its not me doing that, thats actually you. IMO its not wise to try and limit the Almighty to three things . . .and nothing else.
rule number one in trolling when you have nothing of substance, attack their spelling, character or try and connect them to some boogyman. bless your heart.
im not trying to pull the Most High down to anything, an example of this would be someone claiming the Most High is three, but one, but three in one, but one in three, and all the rest and its not me doing that, thats actually you. IMO its not wise to try and limit the Almighty to three things . . .and nothing else.
Whether one believes in the trinity or not, speaking of God's nature is impossible to completely explain. God cannot be comprehended in whole.
I believe Psalm 131 can be helpful in times where things are just too much to understand....
" LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever." Psalm 131( KJV )
I believe Psalm 131 can be helpful in times where things are just too much to understand....
" LORD, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever." Psalm 131( KJV )
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True enough, because Jesus is God. He "demonstrated" sonship in the sense that the Father and Son have always been in a filial relationship.
However, nothing about this takes away from the Trinity.
There is only one God (YHVH).
The Father is God (YHVH)
The Son is God (YHVH)
The Holy Spirit is God (YHVH)
These three Persons share the same being or essence and are each eternal.
Humans participate in the fellowship of the Triune God through union with Christ, which is mediated through the Holy Spirit. Through this union with Christ, they receive justification, sanctification, glorification, sonship, and share in His inheritance.
Pretty simple to say and actually to understand, if one's mind is opened to it, through the Holy Spirit
However, nothing about this takes away from the Trinity.
There is only one God (YHVH).
The Father is God (YHVH)
The Son is God (YHVH)
The Holy Spirit is God (YHVH)
These three Persons share the same being or essence and are each eternal.
Humans participate in the fellowship of the Triune God through union with Christ, which is mediated through the Holy Spirit. Through this union with Christ, they receive justification, sanctification, glorification, sonship, and share in His inheritance.
Pretty simple to say and actually to understand, if one's mind is opened to it, through the Holy Spirit
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I am not limiting YHVH. I am explaining what Scripture teaches concerning him.
It seems as though you are trying to claim Jesus is not YHVH. If not, then please correct me. However, if you are claiming this, you are not giving honor to the Son, and don't know God. Those who deny the deity of Christ don't know him.
You yourself mentioned the "Babylonian Trinity" nonsense, which is a product of Alexander Hislop and his book "Two Babylons". There are probably other individuals who have taught this in the past, but his book is the most popular one in this regards. SDAs, the followers of Herbert Armstrong, and some Hebrew Roots Movement guys have picked up this theme from his writings and perpetuated them in their paranoid, nut-job publications.
I never mentioned the word "thing". The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not "things". They are Persons.
There is one God in terms of being or essence, yet three Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are co-eternal and co-essential (sharing the same essence or being). The believer is brought into their fellowship through being joined with Christ, who is their life, righteousness, justification, sanctification, glorification. They share his sonship and his inheritance through this union.
For those who are teachable, I suggest reading the book Union with Christ by Rankin Wilbourne to understand this fantastic doctrine at a greater level. And, again, I suggest the books, both entitled Delighting in the Trinity, by Tim Chester and Michael Reeves to savor the truths related to the Trinity. You might also consider the book, Rejoicing in Christ, by Michael Reeves, too.
Those who actively deny Jesus is God, and deny the Trinity, are dwelling in darkness whether they know it or not.
It seems as though you are trying to claim Jesus is not YHVH. If not, then please correct me. However, if you are claiming this, you are not giving honor to the Son, and don't know God. Those who deny the deity of Christ don't know him.
You yourself mentioned the "Babylonian Trinity" nonsense, which is a product of Alexander Hislop and his book "Two Babylons". There are probably other individuals who have taught this in the past, but his book is the most popular one in this regards. SDAs, the followers of Herbert Armstrong, and some Hebrew Roots Movement guys have picked up this theme from his writings and perpetuated them in their paranoid, nut-job publications.
I never mentioned the word "thing". The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not "things". They are Persons.
There is one God in terms of being or essence, yet three Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are co-eternal and co-essential (sharing the same essence or being). The believer is brought into their fellowship through being joined with Christ, who is their life, righteousness, justification, sanctification, glorification. They share his sonship and his inheritance through this union.
For those who are teachable, I suggest reading the book Union with Christ by Rankin Wilbourne to understand this fantastic doctrine at a greater level. And, again, I suggest the books, both entitled Delighting in the Trinity, by Tim Chester and Michael Reeves to savor the truths related to the Trinity. You might also consider the book, Rejoicing in Christ, by Michael Reeves, too.
Those who actively deny Jesus is God, and deny the Trinity, are dwelling in darkness whether they know it or not.
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True enough, because Jesus is God. He "demonstrated" sonship in the sense that the Father and Son have always been in a filial relationship.
However, nothing about this takes away from the Trinity.
There is only one God (YHVH).
The Father is God (YHVH)
The Son is God (YHVH)
The Holy Spirit is God (YHVH)
These three Persons share the same being or essence and are each eternal.
Humans participate in the fellowship of the Triune God through union with Christ, which is mediated through the Holy Spirit. Through this union with Christ, they receive justification, sanctification, glorification, sonship, and share in His inheritance.
Pretty simple to say and actually to understand, if one's mind is opened to it, through the Holy Spirit
However, nothing about this takes away from the Trinity.
There is only one God (YHVH).
The Father is God (YHVH)
The Son is God (YHVH)
The Holy Spirit is God (YHVH)
These three Persons share the same being or essence and are each eternal.
Humans participate in the fellowship of the Triune God through union with Christ, which is mediated through the Holy Spirit. Through this union with Christ, they receive justification, sanctification, glorification, sonship, and share in His inheritance.
Pretty simple to say and actually to understand, if one's mind is opened to it, through the Holy Spirit
God is in union with every created thing through the human mind; He withdraws, that thing decays away.
It's plain you simply don't understand the Bible and it is useless to reason with you.
Jesus is NOT in union with every human being. He is in union only with those he has saved. Additionally, all unbelievers are detached from God, and spiritually dead, yet they continue to exist physically.
I invite everyone to read Romans 6:1-14 to see that only believers who have been joined to Christ have died to sin and are resurrected to righteousness through union with Jesus. Additionally, read the book of Ephesians to discover how union with Christ permeates the understanding of Paul.
Additionally, I am sorry that you are unable to understand that God is a multi-personal being, but this is the teaching of Scripture. There is one God yet three Persons. Since you are a fleshly man who can only understand fleshly things, I can understand why you don't accept this teaching, though. In your fleshly world, there is only one person per being, so understanding this concept must be too difficult for you.
This man simply does not understand the Bible, even though he thinks he's qualified to criticize others' understanding of it.
Jesus is NOT in union with every human being. He is in union only with those he has saved. Additionally, all unbelievers are detached from God, and spiritually dead, yet they continue to exist physically.
I invite everyone to read Romans 6:1-14 to see that only believers who have been joined to Christ have died to sin and are resurrected to righteousness through union with Jesus. Additionally, read the book of Ephesians to discover how union with Christ permeates the understanding of Paul.
Additionally, I am sorry that you are unable to understand that God is a multi-personal being, but this is the teaching of Scripture. There is one God yet three Persons. Since you are a fleshly man who can only understand fleshly things, I can understand why you don't accept this teaching, though. In your fleshly world, there is only one person per being, so understanding this concept must be too difficult for you.
This man simply does not understand the Bible, even though he thinks he's qualified to criticize others' understanding of it.
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when you say the Most High is three persons, thats limiting the Most High, not sure how else to explain that one.
i never proclaimed Jesus was not the Most High.
i dont know who this hudson guy is, third time now, why do you keel going there?
i would be very uncomfortable calling the Most High a "person" but maybe thats just me
there is no scripture that says your going to dwell in darkness for not accepting the trinity. this sounds like pharisee arrogance that believed their doctrines were at the same level as holy scripture, Jesus taught against this btw.
i think you need to spend less time with these books and more time with the bible.
i never proclaimed Jesus was not the Most High.
i dont know who this hudson guy is, third time now, why do you keel going there?
i would be very uncomfortable calling the Most High a "person" but maybe thats just me
there is no scripture that says your going to dwell in darkness for not accepting the trinity. this sounds like pharisee arrogance that believed their doctrines were at the same level as holy scripture, Jesus taught against this btw.
i think you need to spend less time with these books and more time with the bible.
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thats probably what the pharisees told everyone.
gee why in the world would anyone think such a crazy thing, maybe because "person" 99.999999999 percent of the time refers to a limited being of this world and not the Almighty who created the heavens and earth. does Jesus ever refer to His Father as a "person"? how about Moses, Samuel, Elijah or anywhere in the bible is the Most High called a person, but im guessing thats not important and nothig to worry about.
gee why in the world would anyone think such a crazy thing, maybe because "person" 99.999999999 percent of the time refers to a limited being of this world and not the Almighty who created the heavens and earth. does Jesus ever refer to His Father as a "person"? how about Moses, Samuel, Elijah or anywhere in the bible is the Most High called a person, but im guessing thats not important and nothig to worry about.
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Garee dear,
I have always believed in the ABC (Always by the Context) to get the full meaning of the passage and obviously, you didn't consider it.
Garee: God is savior
Fredoheaven: God is our Saviour. Jesus the Son of man is our Saviour indeed! Quite a difference.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Garee: The Son of man jesus is not God, he is corrupted man...
Fredoheaven: Isn't this a folly? calling Jesus the Son of man is not God? Perhaps you just misunderstood the language of the English bible. Here's the difference, Jesus is the Son of man but not the "Son of a man". The scripture is correct Garee, The Son of man Jesus is God, he is not a corrupted man. In fact, he has no biological earthly father, for he was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Plus his blood is divine.
Acts 20:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1 Peter 1: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
I have always believed in the ABC (Always by the Context) to get the full meaning of the passage and obviously, you didn't consider it.
Garee: God is savior
Fredoheaven: God is our Saviour. Jesus the Son of man is our Saviour indeed! Quite a difference.
1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Garee: The Son of man jesus is not God, he is corrupted man...
Fredoheaven: Isn't this a folly? calling Jesus the Son of man is not God? Perhaps you just misunderstood the language of the English bible. Here's the difference, Jesus is the Son of man but not the "Son of a man". The scripture is correct Garee, The Son of man Jesus is God, he is not a corrupted man. In fact, he has no biological earthly father, for he was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Plus his blood is divine.
Acts 20:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1 Peter 1: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
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How many non-persons do you call "He"? Why did Jesus use the word "he" to refer to God then?
What is God, an "it"?
Hilarious.
This is the kind of stuff anti-Trinitarians fixate their minds on lol.
What is God, an "it"?
Hilarious.
This is the kind of stuff anti-Trinitarians fixate their minds on lol.
this is not anti trin stuff, there are lots of Christians that dont agree with bringing the Most High down to out level.
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