Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Greetings Marcelo,
Good point!
What does scripture say;
Theologians will lead you into all truth. NOPE
The KJV translation of the scriptures will lead you into all truth! NOPE
Joh 16:13 KJV Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
In so many ways Yahshua and Paul agree, BUT as Peter warned;
2Pe 3:14-17 NIV So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. (15) Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. (16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Paul's letters are easy to misinterpret! This is why to get the accurate meaning they have to match the intent and meaning of the rest of scripture. If you look for it and read the oddity of Paul's mannerisms with a knowledge of them you see the congruities between Yahshua and Paul.
SG
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Greetings Marcelo,
Good point!
What does scripture say;
Theologians will lead you into all truth. NOPE
The KJV translation of the scriptures will lead you into all truth! NOPE
Joh 16:13 KJV Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
In so many ways Yahshua and Paul agree, BUT as Peter warned;
2Pe 3:14-17 NIV So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. (15) Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. (16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Paul's letters are easy to misinterpret! This is why to get the accurate meaning they have to match the intent and meaning of the rest of scripture. If you look for it and read the oddity of Paul's mannerisms with a knowledge of them you see the congruities between Yahshua and Paul.
SG
Good point!
What does scripture say;
Theologians will lead you into all truth. NOPE
The KJV translation of the scriptures will lead you into all truth! NOPE
Joh 16:13 KJV Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
In so many ways Yahshua and Paul agree, BUT as Peter warned;
2Pe 3:14-17 NIV So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. (15) Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. (16) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. (17) Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Paul's letters are easy to misinterpret! This is why to get the accurate meaning they have to match the intent and meaning of the rest of scripture. If you look for it and read the oddity of Paul's mannerisms with a knowledge of them you see the congruities between Yahshua and Paul.
SG
Paul said:
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
Much to my regret, I am not able to agree completely with you.
You once said that you don't need a list of mitzvot to be kept because you are guided by the Holy Spirit. But this is what Christianity is all about: Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. So, if you are guided by the Spirit you don't need a list of effective ordinances and don't need to teach anyone to keep the Law of Moses. The Law was made for the Hebrews and has already fulfilled its purpose. We are now under the Dispensation of Grace.
Greetings Marcelo,
Yes, you would have a valid point, but remember where the list is written first then look where it was written again. Upon my heart.
So too one of the more forceful inspirations by the Holy Spirit is to Read, Read, Read, Meditate, Meditate, Meditate on the Scriptures which He, The Holy Spirit inspired to begin with. It all makes up the dynamic that Joshua 1:7-8 makes clear;
Jos 1:7-8 NIV Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. (8) Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.
A mans heart, mind and soul make up the books/list that guide our Faith or "Good Works". Carefully if you will, savor the following thoughts:
Rom 2:12-15 NIV All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. (13) For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (14) (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, (15) since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Do these hearts operate separate apart from the Torah? Who gave the Torah? Yahshua or YHWH or The Spirit of God! They are all in unity! So would the Holy Spirit ever utter anything contrary to he Father or Yahshua? Never! You may rearrange those entities in any order you wish and the answer is always Never! Were the words of the Torah given by inspiration of God, Yahshua, The Holy Spirit? Yes. So, do you think the Gentiles above were discouraged from studying and meditating on any part of the Written Word of God, or Yahshua? No. I know Paul would never have done anything but "encourage" study and meditation of the Torah! ;
2Ti 3:16-17 NIV All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (17) so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
My list is a lifetime of reading and meditating and even today I see new dimensions to the meanings of words as my walk is enhanced through obedience/fellowship with Yahshua and The Heavenly Father. It is all roses? No, many humbling encounters with matters that I am brought into understanding on. But even these humbling moments, when embraced are merely elimination of barriers between me and Yahshua, The Heavenly Father and His Holy Spirit!
SG
Greetings Marcelo,
So too one of the more forceful inspirations by the Holy Spirit is to Read, Read, Read, Meditate, Meditate, Meditate on the Scriptures which He, The Holy Spirit inspired to begin with. It all makes up the dynamic that Joshua 1:7-8 makes clear;
Jos 1:7-8 NIV Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. (8) Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. SG
So too one of the more forceful inspirations by the Holy Spirit is to Read, Read, Read, Meditate, Meditate, Meditate on the Scriptures which He, The Holy Spirit inspired to begin with. It all makes up the dynamic that Joshua 1:7-8 makes clear;
Jos 1:7-8 NIV Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. (8) Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. SG
How do you keep missing that most necessary part?
"we are his workmanship"
...created IN Christ Jesus unto good works...
Who was created in Christ Jesus unto good works?
...by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
...built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. Ephesians 2:11-20
The prophets and the apostles are workers and servants of God, working not for their own salvation but for our sake and for building up the body of Christ.
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. 1 Peter 1:10-12
...I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.” John 4:34-38
As servants of God, these people worked according to the instructions, commandments and laws of God which are all His words.
"I don't see how this could be any more clear"
But this is much clearer...
I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—Romans 15:18
"we are his workmanship"
...created IN Christ Jesus unto good works...
Who was created in Christ Jesus unto good works?
...by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
...built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. Ephesians 2:11-20
The prophets and the apostles are workers and servants of God, working not for their own salvation but for our sake and for building up the body of Christ.
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. 1 Peter 1:10-12
...I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.” John 4:34-38
As servants of God, these people worked according to the instructions, commandments and laws of God which are all His words.
"I don't see how this could be any more clear"
But this is much clearer...
I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—Romans 15:18
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Here! They forsook the I AM who led them out of Egypt for the pagan god Yahweh:
Eze 1:15-26 KJV
(15) Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
(16) The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
(17) When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
(18) As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
(19) And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
(20) Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
(21) When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
(22) And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
(23) And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
(24) And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
(25) And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
(26) And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
http://www.bibleorigins.net/YahwehWheelCoin.html
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