A text that has me puzzled
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Well, we know God isn't evil.
So, there are two spots in the text which create the conflict, and either of them could be interpreted different ways.
1. We look into the different ways a spirit could be said to be evil.
2. We look into different ways in which it could be "from the lord."
And those options are all visible just from the initial verse, without even looking at the the rest of the passage.
I'm sure plenty of commentators have dug into this one.
It shouldn't be hard to reconcile.
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So, there are two spots in the text which create the conflict, and either of them could be interpreted different ways.
1. We look into the different ways a spirit could be said to be evil.
2. We look into different ways in which it could be "from the lord."
And those options are all visible just from the initial verse, without even looking at the the rest of the passage.
I'm sure plenty of commentators have dug into this one.
It shouldn't be hard to reconcile.
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here’s another passage, spirit of distress
1 Samuel 16:14
After the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, a spirit of distress from the LORD began to torment him.
1 Samuel 16:14
After the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, a spirit of distress from the LORD began to torment him.
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רַע rǎʿ badly made, of small worth, poor; contemptible, evil, reprobate; (subst.) evil, wicked.
according to logos Greek and Hebrew lexicon.
Youngs literal translation says a sad spirit, which could be like depression.
Why is it difficult to think that God would send a bad spirit to torment a wicked man. Saul chose to do evil and then refused to repent.
He grew in his jealousy, and hatred and continually tried to kill David who God had anointed to replace him.
its not different than those today who are given over to a reprobate mind, according to Romans 1:28.
according to logos Greek and Hebrew lexicon.
Youngs literal translation says a sad spirit, which could be like depression.
Why is it difficult to think that God would send a bad spirit to torment a wicked man. Saul chose to do evil and then refused to repent.
He grew in his jealousy, and hatred and continually tried to kill David who God had anointed to replace him.
its not different than those today who are given over to a reprobate mind, according to Romans 1:28.
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bad, unpleasant, giving pain, unhappiness, misery: ימים רעים evil days (of trial and hardship) Genesis 47:9(P) Proverbs 15:15; עִנְיָן רע Ecclesiastes 1:13; Ecclesiastes 5:13; עִנְיַןEcclesiastes 4:8, compare Ecclesiastes 2:17; Ecclesiastes 9:3; הַמַּעֲשֶׂה הָרָעEcclesiastes 4:3; הדבר הרע evil reportExodus 33:4 (J), so דִּבָּה רָעָה Genesis 37:2 (JE) Numbers 14:37 (P), שׁם רעDeuteronomy 22:14,19; Nehemiah 6:13, שְׁמוּעָה רָעָה Jeremiah 49:23; Psalm 112:7; of things: painful discipline Proverbs 15:10, evil occurrence 1 Kings 5:18, evil (-bringing) net Ecclesiastes 9:12, instruments Isaiah 32:7: כל הדבר הרע Joshua 23:15 (D) all evil (injurious) things; רַע it is bad, harmful Isaiah 3:11Jeremiah 2:19; of speech, דבּר, רעאו טוב Genesis 24:50 (J) in proverb, speak bad or good = anything at all, מטוב עד רע Genesis 31:24,29 (E), לְמֵרָע ועד טוב2 Samuel 13:22, of the divine spirit as producing an ecstatic state of frenzy and violence 1 Samuel 16:14,15,16,23; 1 Samuel 18:10; 1 Samuel 19:9 (see רוּח9).
According to Strong's concordance.
According to Strong's concordance.
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Ultimately all spirit beings -- good or evil -- are totally in the hands of God.
As God allowed the evil spirit being known as Satan to devastate Job (without killing him), God sent an evil spirit to Saul to influence him to hate David. But Saul had already opened himself up to evil influences. This is similar to Satan influencing David to number Israel (contrary to God's commandment), and for which he paid a heavy price. In neither case were they possessed by evil spirits or demons.
And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon* Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
*Strong's Concordance
el: to, into, towards
Original Word: אֵל
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: el
Phonetic Spelling: (ale)
Definition: to, into, towards
As you can see the Hebrew word el translated as *upon* in the KJV can mean one of three things, not necessarily *into*.
If Christians are not careful they can open themselves up to the influence of evil spirits and Satan. However for those within whom the Holy Spirit resides, evil spirits can enter and take possession (as some falsely teach).
As God allowed the evil spirit being known as Satan to devastate Job (without killing him), God sent an evil spirit to Saul to influence him to hate David. But Saul had already opened himself up to evil influences. This is similar to Satan influencing David to number Israel (contrary to God's commandment), and for which he paid a heavy price. In neither case were they possessed by evil spirits or demons.
And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon* Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
*Strong's Concordance
el: to, into, towards
Original Word: אֵל
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: el
Phonetic Spelling: (ale)
Definition: to, into, towards
As you can see the Hebrew word el translated as *upon* in the KJV can mean one of three things, not necessarily *into*.
If Christians are not careful they can open themselves up to the influence of evil spirits and Satan. However for those within whom the Holy Spirit resides, evil spirits can enter and take possession (as some falsely teach).
1Sa 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
The "evil spirit" is satan. He came from the presence of the LORD (see 1 Kings 22; 2 Chronicles 18, and Job 1 & 2; 1 Samuel 16:14-15), in requiring permission to have access to Saul (Luke 22:31). Saul had rejected the Holy Spirit (1 Samuel 15:11), and so God gave him over to that which Saul desired.
The "evil spirit" is satan. He came from the presence of the LORD (see 1 Kings 22; 2 Chronicles 18, and Job 1 & 2; 1 Samuel 16:14-15), in requiring permission to have access to Saul (Luke 22:31). Saul had rejected the Holy Spirit (1 Samuel 15:11), and so God gave him over to that which Saul desired.
here is a list of all the instances of the word ra' which is translated 'evil' in that verse in NIV
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7451.htm
so you can see how it is used elsewhere
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7451.htm
so you can see how it is used elsewhere
IMO Saul was calling for the death of David, then Jonathan, his son approaches him wanting his father to cancel out this wicked deed he was plotting. In this frame of mind then, he sits with David as David plays worshipping the Lord. Worship can bring two reactions, one would be to repent by being convicted, but the other might aggravate, which I believe happened because he tries to nail David with his javelin. So it was aggravation from the worship of the Lord that brought this sudden move to kill.
Our English in the KJV might need some tweaking. 😇
Our English in the KJV might need some tweaking. 😇
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them .
Psalm 78:49 KJVA
"And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord : I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ra´moth–gil´e-ad? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord , and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him , and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1 Kings 22:19-23 KJVA
"The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Isaiah 19:14 KJVA
"There be spirits that are created for vengeance, which in their fury lay on sore strokes; in the time of destruction they pour out their force, and appease the wrath of him that made them.
Ecclesiasticus 39:28 KJVA
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Psalm 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
2 Chronicles 18:21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'How?' 21"He said, 'I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and prevail also. Go and do so.
https://www.gotquestions.org/lying-spirit.html
Psalm 78:49 KJVA
"And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord : I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. And the Lord said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ra´moth–gil´e-ad? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord , and said, I will persuade him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him , and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1 Kings 22:19-23 KJVA
"The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Isaiah 19:14 KJVA
"There be spirits that are created for vengeance, which in their fury lay on sore strokes; in the time of destruction they pour out their force, and appease the wrath of him that made them.
Ecclesiasticus 39:28 KJVA
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Psalm 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.
2 Chronicles 18:21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, 'How?' 21"He said, 'I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and prevail also. Go and do so.
https://www.gotquestions.org/lying-spirit.html
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Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward. And Samuel arose and went to Ramah. Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord terrorized him.
1 Samuel 16:13-14 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1sa.16.13-14.NASB
1 Samuel 16:13-14 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1sa.16.13-14.NASB