Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

You REALLY NEED TO DELETE that EG quote at the Bottom of your Message, it is Getting Annoying in a BAD WAY. It Discourages us from even READING YOUR POSTS.

Use a SMALL Picture instead to Convey your message, LIKE:

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I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

 

[Macabeus]

I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

I changed the sig, but I really did like your quote. It summarized EVERYTHING I have said in a nutshell so when you call me a legalistic, you are also calling yourself a legalist

All this time I have been agreeing with you, and you didn’t know it. 😕

 

[Macabeus]

I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

Go back and read everything I have posted here in the context of the fact that from the beginning I have been speaking of the effects of God regenerating us, and that everything I spoke of I view as PART OF THE NEW NATURE we receive, and you may find that what I have been saying and what you said in the quote I used are actually compatible and in agreement. I doubt you have the unbiased ability to see that, which is tragic

 

[VCO]

I will fix it out of respect for you

Thank you!

 

[UnderGrace]

The easy-believism OSAS people are actually closet gnostics, without even knowing it.

The way I have seen them twist 1 Cor. 6:9-11 is that since they are now believers, they were washed, but obviously they didn't stop doing those things. That would be works salvation right? So they are made POSITIONALLY righteous, while in fact they remain UNRIGHTEOUS.

Let me assure you, God is not playing games.

You mix two teachings together and you got yourself last days apostasy:
1. You can't repent
2. You are eternally secure in your sins.

The facts are they are quick to backtrack when you point out the obvious conclusions of their beliefs. Things such as:
"God disciplines and chastises people. We are not teaching you can just live in sin and be saved"
"A true believer will eventually make a break through"

These usually come out only when they are on the backfoot. Before this, they were saying what Charles said in the video I posted, that yes, you can live in all kinds of sin, and you can never out sin God's grace. What do you think the viewer at home is going to think? I let you decide.

My question again is: WHEN. WHEN does the sin stop? And Neither Macabeus, myself, or any other person is claiming to be sinlessly perfect. But again, there are willful sins, and unwillful sins, as I have demonstrated on about page 4000 if I recall correctly on this thread. Obviously the clear verses from Numbers were rejected by the OSAS advocates in favor of their "Its all sin, you've broken one law thats it. You've stolen now you might as well commit adultery as well".

Its true that if you have sinned once, you are a lawbreaker, and no amount of returning to obedience will change that fact. This does not mean: All sin is equal, and everyone who has studied the Tanakh knows this, the punishments for sins were different. Which is why even in the New Testament John talks about sins UNTO DEATH, that you should not pray for, these would be open, willful, rebellion against God.

Jesus says to look upon a woman to lust after her is adultery in your heart. This is true. But let me ask you, which is worse, lusting after someone or actually commiting adultery? Anyone with half a brain knows, commiting adultery is way worse, because you are a homewrecker, destroying someone's life, whereas with lusting you are only destroying yourself.

So what sins must stop? 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21. The Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of God's Spirit says it loud and clear, be not deceived, people who are practicing these things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom. Surprisingly, the things that Paul says "be not deceived" are the ones that the devil is actively deceiving people on. This in itself is proof of the Bible being divinely inspired.

Don't let anyone fool you into thinking you will be saved and not inherit the kingdom, the kingdom is where the KING is. If you are not with the KING, you are in the lake of FIRE.

I am really starting to appreciate the the word tragic and the full depth of its meaning.

I would really like people that hold to this tragedy to tell Jesus that He needs to go back on the cross........ because that is what you have written here.

 

[BillG]

I had to hide all signatures., its sad, but when he is last to post, it shows his name with the sig of my post,

???

 

[posthuman]

i am amazed at how useful Romans & Galatians are to cutting through so much muck on the whole BDF

it's almost like you could weigh mightily through a whole army at battle knowing only two techniques with our sword, but knowing them well

Galatians, krumphau ?

Romans, zwerchau ?

 

[posthuman]

Romans, zwerchau ?

notice how the cross protects him?

 

[dcontroversal]

im also ignorant of this. how can it be were if they are still present tense doing it in the flesh?

The Spirit is born of GOD, does not sin, is eternally sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ

The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is not subject unto the law of God, is weak and contrary to the Spirit....

 

[posthuman]

notice how the cross protects him?

another thing that's interesting to me is that in these two cuts is that once he's blocked, all he does to strike is raise his week hand ((the left)) upward.
y'all see how what's wise with a real sword can translate to the use of the spiritual one? in repentance and lifting up our weaknesses to Him the Spirit pierces the enemy.

 

[dcontroversal]

@TooFastTurtle no one here would ever claim there is some license given to sin..... if there was a license it would mean permission...

then God wouldn't chasten His own children....


But God chastens EVERY one of His children when we sin... in order for correction so that we are more fruitful and He can be pleased (does not change the fact His children are His and He will not lose one)

You know...they accused Paul of the same BS........

 

[Macabeus]

The Spirit is born of GOD, does not sin, is eternally sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ

The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is not subject unto the law of God, is weak and contrary to the Spirit....

Yeah it’s dead, which means it only has the dominion that we give it. So it shouldn’t be your pilot.

You should apologize for calling me a liar. I quoted you, you said I lied, and I provided documentation that it was no lie.

You said 1 Cor. 6:9-11still allows for unrepentant fornicators and idolaters to be kingdom folk.

Paul would disagree with you

I suppose it’s your body that won’t inherit, and your spirit can’t sin, so your body can sin all it wants, ala @ Budman? I hope not

 

[Macabeus]

Yeah it’s dead, which means it only has the dominion that we give it. So it shouldn’t be your pilot.

You should apologize for calling me a liar. I quoted you, you said I lied, and I provided documentation that it was no lie.

You said 1 Cor. 6:9-11still allows for unrepentant fornicators and idolaters to be kingdom folk.

Paul would disagree with you

I suppose it’s your body that won’t inherit, and your spirit can’t sin, so your body can sin all it wants, ala @ Budman? I hope not

It is true that your body will not inherit and your new nature is righteous. But of course we know that that does not change the fact that what we do in the body does matter. And they that have the Spirit of Christ are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, and those who live after the flesh will die and reap corruption, FOR they do not have the Spirit of Christ

For if they did, they would not be in (constantly controlled by) the fesh

 

[Macabeus]

You know...they accused Paul of the same BS........

Based on his doctrine of justification. That is what legalisms attack, (and we dont)

His doctrine of regeneration is if any man is in Christ, they are a new creation, old things have passed away, all things have become new. He also said that they that have the Spirit of Christ are not in the flesh, that they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and and no fornicator, adulterer, unclean person, or idolators will inherit the Kingdom

If he read what you did with his words, that you said 1Cor 6:9-11 still allows for such to be in the kingdom ( yet not inherit it?, because you said that in response to the phrase “they shall not inherit the kingdom 🤔) he would probably 😳

 

[blue_ladybug]

I am really starting to appreciate the the word tragic and the full depth of its meaning.

I would really like people that hold to this tragedy to tell Jesus that He needs to go back on the cross........ because that is what you have written here.

Now I hear The BeeGees in my head. Thanks, UG.. lol

 

[UnderGrace]

Now I hear The BeeGees in my head. Thanks, UG.. lol

I had not even thought of it and then of course I had to go find it on You Tube cause it was stuck in my head... Thanks Blue!!

 

[UnderGrace]

I can put up with your Non-Conservative Position, far better than the new guy that just came in and wanted to start the ARMENIAN vs. CALVINIST severe argument all over again. I guess needed HIS ARGUMENATIVE ATTITUDE to remind me how bad it can be: #107,131 . You see when I first discovered online Bible Discussion Groups, I landed on TOPIX supposed Christian Forum, which has NO supervision, and No Rules, and ANY THING GOES. It was quickly was taken over by ATHEISTS and just turned into a NASTY NAME CALLING MESS. So needless to say, I LEFT Them FAR BEHIND, a couple months in. I still think you are wrong, and wish you could see the light, and worry about you making the Rapture, but I can put up with your Opposite Point of view, far Better than TooFastTurtle .

I will take this as an apology and you absolutely do not need to worry.

 

[UnderGrace]

The Spirit is born of GOD, does not sin, is eternally sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ

The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is not subject unto the law of God, is weak and contrary to the Spirit....

... Sums it up nicely!

 

[Macabeus]

I am really starting to appreciate the the word tragic and the full depth of its meaning.

I would really like people that hold to this tragedy to tell Jesus that He needs to go back on the cross........ because that is what you have written here.

I read no such thing In that post. What he is saying is that the otherwise wholesome doctrine of justification and preservation are abused when they are used to explain away texts like 1 Cor 6 and others

... Sums it up nicely!

One thing to remember. If you walk after the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh

I am not denying justification by faith alone

I am not denying preservation

I am not affirming sinless perfection

I am not saying losable salvation

What I am doing is arguing for a view of regeneration based on the writings of Paul and John and others

That is that there are certain things that are undenaiabe aspects of regeneration and also that The Bible teaches that those who o practice willful rebellion are not inheriters(unless they repent). And you can’t just blame willful rebellion on your body. Oh I live in sinful flesh so I can’t help but what I do do. Don’t stop at Romans 7, try receiving the rest, including Romans 8. Gd has given you liberty in Christ. Not liberty to do as you please, but liberty to no longer be slaves

 

[Macabeus]

You know...they accused Paul of the same BS........

Falsely in his case. Did you forget that Paul said “how can we who are dead to sin continu therein. Of course, he is not saying perfection, but rather a continuance of practice. We are dead to sin, so it has no power over us. This becomes more and more a reality as we appropriate it. That is why I don’t believe lifelong unrepentants who say “ I can’t help myself, I live in sinful flesh ( not saying you are one ) are not regenerate.