Not By Works

[Macabeus]

Jesus says no one that has been given to Him by our Heavenly Father shall be lost. NO ONE! What don’t you understand about that?

You admittedly disagree. By your standards, the power of sin is greater than the power of the saving grace of Jesus Christ. You need to wake up and realize we serve a Mighty God, not some wet noodle flapping around in the wind.

Lol, did you not read where I said Jesus loses none of His. ONCE AGAIN, I am speaking descriptively, not prescriptively

Paul said no adulterer will inherit... and such were some of you. So repentant adulterers, who used to adulterate, but who have been regenerated, inherit. So obviously, the ones who are unrepentant and remain unrepentant do not inherit.
Paul is warning them here. If you are an unrepentant adulterer, fornicator, idolater, you will not inherit. Because repentance is descriptive of those who are already regenerate unrepentance is the mark of an unregenerate heart. Nothing to do with maintaining salvation. Everything to do with what happens inside us when God regenerates us

 

[UnderGrace]

I have already stated that your posts bring forth confusion. I don’t understand how someone who embraces the fullness of God’s grace through faith alone could be misunderstood by so many people. DC, this site’s champion of champions regarding God’s grace has you on ignore. Why?

You are a true friend!
And insightful too

 

[Macabeus]

Lol, did you not read where I said Jesus loses none of His. ONCE AGAIN, I am speaking descriptively, not prescriptively

Paul said no adulterer will inherit... and such were some of you. So repentant adulterers, who used to adulterate, but who have been regenerated, inherit. So obviously, the ones who are unrepentant and remain unrepentant do not inherit.
Paul is warning them here. If you are an unrepentant adulterer, fornicator, idolater, you will not inherit. Because repentance is descriptive of those who are already regenerate unrepentance is the mark of an unregenerate heart. Nothing to do with maintaining salvation. Everything to do with what happens inside us when God regenerates us

Descriptive. Describes our new nature. Don’t walk according to old nature, it’s been dethroned. They that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh. You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if the Spirit of Christ dwells in you. Sin shall ave no dominion. The Son has made us free indeed.

ALL DESCRIPTIVE STATEMENTS

 

[Macabeus]

You are a true friend!
And insightful too

Yep, champion of non regenerative grace that keeps you a slave to sin

 

[UnderGrace]

non regenerative grace

How does this even make sense???

Rhetorical question

 

[Macabeus]

How does this even make sense???

Rhetorical question

It doesn’t. That’s why I argue against it.

I do not believe in regeneration that keeps you a slave. The Son came to set us free

 

[Macabeus]

The Spirit is born of GOD, does not sin, is eternally sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ

The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is not subject unto the law of God, is weak and contrary to the Spirit....

@Lightskin
@UnderGrace

What is the body of sin? And what happened to it? What is the end result?

See Romans 6:6

Good three point sermon for your ministry, @Lightskin

 

[Macabeus]

Where is sin confession in that statement? Did you just go and pull a text that is unrelated to your claim, because the one that mentions confession did not work? 🤣And according to Paul, do fornicators go to heaven. See 1 Cor 6:9-11

Bump for @ undergrace

 

[Macabeus]

I have already stated that your posts bring forth confusion. I don’t understand how someone who embraces the fullness of God’s grace through faith alone could be misunderstood by so many people. DC, this site’s champion of champions regarding God’s grace has you on ignore. Why?

Ohhh I get it now. Another DC minion. You know what I find funny? I keep asking you about scriptures, and you can’t answer, you keep going back to DCs talking points. Are you able to read scripture and exegete it, or are you just fed chewed up bits like a chick being fed by mama bird?

I asked you about scriptures, you and @UnderGrace. And you were not up to it. All you do is the same three things over and over again. Ok, I understand. I get it, I really do

 

[Macabeus]

@UnderGrace

What is the body of sin? And what happened to it? What is the end result?

See Romans 6:6

Good three point sermon for your ministry, @Lightskin[/QUOTE]

Bump for @UnderGrace and @Lightskin

 

[Macabeus]

They cannot talk scripture beyond two or three talking points. No wonder they don’t understand my posts

No exegesis necessary. Ignore half the Bible. Cannot seem to exegete one verse

 

[VCO]

It is the Last TRUMP of Rash HaSanah, and it has been called by that name for 3000 years, AND PAUL ATTENDED THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS, or Rash HaSanah almost every year of his Adult life. What do you think an adult strict JEW would think the LAST TRUMP meant ? ? ? Does the LAST TRUMP mean Something HE WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH, or Something that would not be written until 31 years or so, after his DEATH.

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More specifically, you will learn in this article that “the last trump” that is part of the Rapture description in the Apostle Paul’s first letter to the Church in Corinth is actually a clear reference to the 100th trumpet blast of the Feast of Trumpets. The 100th Trump is “the last trump.”

100 Trumpet Blasts
During the Feast of Trumpets

This is because 100 trumpet blasts are actually blown during the Feast of Trumpets. Moreover, there are different kinds of trumpet blasts and they have different names and descriptions associated with them. The last trump has a name as well, and we will see what it is in just a few moments.

So “the last trump” of the Feast of Trumpets is not the last time that a trumpet will ever be blown. It is specifically referring to the last trumpet blast of the Feast of Trumpets which is celebrated every year.

That is trumpet number 100. Every year. During the Feast of Trumpets.
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https://www.the-wise-shall-understand.com/the-last-trump/
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The Feast of Trumpets

September 25th is also known as Yom Teruah, the Feast of Trumpets.3 Observed on the First and Second of Tishri, the celebration actually begins 29 days earlier: a series of over 90 trumpet blasts accrue for a final blowing of blasts on the climax of the celebration, the Teki'ah Gedolah, the Great Blowing.

In the rabbinical literature, there are many details that are quite provocative. Among the most significant is the use of the shofar, the ram's horn, instead of the usual silver Temple trumpets. (If you visit the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, you can see the silver trumpets that have been fashioned for use in the coming Temple.)

The shofar is associated with the Akedah, Abraham's offering of Isaac on Mount Moriah, as detailed in Genesis 22. Rabbinical tradition associates the left horn of the ram as the "first trump" and the right horn as the "last trump".

A distinguishing feature of the celebration is the last, climactic blast, the Teki'at Shofar. This is not the usual series of short bursts, signalling alarm or bad news. Rather, it is a long blast, signalling victory or good news. It is this last blast that is referred to as the last trump.

Paul's Mystery

In Paul's Resurrection Chapter, I Corinthians 15, he describes that strange event which has now become known as "The Rapture" of the Church:

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.​

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https://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/105/ (End Quote)


The 100th Trumpet of Rash HaSanah IS the LAST TRUMP, and Paul would have KNOW THAT. The Book of Revelation was not written until 96 AD. Paul died in 70 AD.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (ASV)
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Look at the FAMILIARITY that Paul speaks about the TERM. That most likely would not Be there, IF he were writing about something that would not be WRITTEN about until John wrote Revelation, in 96 AD, 31 years or so, after Paul died.

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There are three trumpets that have a name: the first trump, the last trump and the great trump. Each has a specific day in the year: first trump is associated with Pentecost, last trump is associated with Rosh HaShanah and the great trump is associated with Yom Kippur.

[In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:52)]​

"When the Shofar is blown on Rosh HaShana, three different types of noises are sounded. The first is a 'teki'ah.' This sound is one long continuous burst. The second sound is called a 'shevarim.' It consists of three shorter blasts. The third sound is the 'teruah.' The teruah is a set of nine short bursts of sound, a staccato blast. The Gemora in Rosh HaShana tells us that these later two sounds are meant to sound like crying: '. . . drawing a long sigh. . . uttering short piercing cries.' The Ben Ish Chai writes that these sounds are meant to contrast with the tekiah. The tekiah, he explains, is a sound of triumph and joy, while the shevarim and teruah are sounds of pain and suffering. Because of the opposing feelings they represent, when one blows the shofar, he is not to connect the tekiah with the others, by blowing the sounds with the same breath."
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http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/rosh_hashanah.htm

I FORGOT ONE VERY IMPORTANT POINT. The Congregation was made up of about 50 percent JEWS, and 50 percent ex-pagans. Paul would have had to write at least TWO PARAGRAPHS TO EXPLAIN WHY HIS REFERENCE TO THE LAST TRUMP, WAS NOT THE LAST TRUMP THEY KNEW AND CELEBRATED EVERY YEAR. Now do not make me explain with TWO PARAGRAPHS to you all, to get you to understand IT CANNOT BE THE 7th BOWL JUDGEMENT, because that was not even Written until 96 AD. 1 Cor. 15:51 was written approximately 54 AD. AND PAUL DID NOT WRITE ANY EXPLANATION THAT IS WAS NOT A REFERENCE TO LAST TRUMP, of Rosh HaShanah that those JEWS would have been VERY FAMILIAR WITH.


1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (NIV)
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--
52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

 

[Macabeus]

I would have to agree and admit I do not understand his posts and I have felt this way all along.
My new concerted effort to not respond!!

This quote to me means sin confession is a requirement for salvation. Anyway it does not matter since most of us know there is only ONE repentance unto salvation not many, and that >>> salvation is eternal.


@Macabeus

Where do you see sin confession in that quote? It’s not there. You went back and looked at the post where I mentioned sin confession, saw you mispoke, so pulled an unrelated quote out of nowhere in order to save face. Wow! Just wow!

What does that quote have to do with sin confession? And where are the words “after salvation”. Not there

Epic pratfall

 

[Macabeus]

I would have to agree and admit I do not understand his posts and I have felt this way all along.
My new concerted effort to not respond!!

This quote to me means sin confession is a requirement for salvation. Anyway it does not matter since most of us know there is only ONE repentance unto salvation not many, and that >>> salvation is eternal.


@Macabeus

@Lightskin.
Yeah right. She wasn’t talking about the post where I mentioned sin confession, she meant this one in her post that is totallyunrelated
Where do you see sin confession maintains regeneration or after salvation here? Now you have a clue to why people don’t understand my posts. My post was clear as day to anyone who has actually read the Bible, not just parts of it to support one’s talking points, of which for some there are only 2-3

 

[UnderGrace]

@Lightskin.
Yeah right. She wasn’t talking about the post where I mentioned sin confession, she meant this one in her post that is totallyunrelated
Where do you see sin confession maintains regeneration or after salvation here? Now you have a clue to why people don’t understand my posts. My post was clear as day to anyone who has actually read the Bible, not just parts of it to support one’s talking points, of which for some there are only 2-3

Rather than attacking me and everyone else how about you explain this, what you mean by "repent" since you have attached it a believing fornicator?

You rub elbows with people who say that a believing fornicator, will go to heaven even if he doesn’t repent. You want documentation

And when you are done please leave me alone, as in do not mention my name or direct posts to me, because it obvious we cannot converse.

 

[dcontroversal]

I can never understand why those who think they don`t have to obey any commands will be accepted by God. The goats are sent away because of sins they haven`t repented for.

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Exactly why you miss the mark.....one yanked verse out of context to peddle a false point does not make what you peddle true or correct!

 

[dcontroversal]

Rather than attacking me and everyone else how about you explain this, what you mean by "repent" since you have attached it a believing fornicator?



And when you are done please leave me alone, as in do not mention my name or direct posts to me, because it obvious we cannot converse.

Without looking I will lay odds you are addressing 60 second microwave Macaroni........

 

[dcontroversal]

Truth. Irenaeus wrote in his book "against heresies I" chapter 6 regarding gnostic teachings:


But as to themselves, they hold that they shall be entirely and undoubtedly saved, not by means of conduct, but because they are spiritual by nature. For, just as it is impossible that material substance should partake of salvation (since, indeed, they maintain that it is incapable of receiving it), so again it is impossible that spiritual substance (by which they mean themselves) should ever come under the power of corruption, whatever the sort of actions in which they indulged.

For even as gold, when submersed in filth, loses not on that account its beauty, but retains its own native qualities, the filth having no power to injure the gold, so they affirm that they cannot in any measure suffer hurt, or lose their spiritual substance, whatever the material actions in which they may be involved.
Wherefore also it comes to pass, that the “most perfect” among them addict themselves without fear to all those kinds of forbidden deeds of which the Scriptures assure us that “they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
And committing many other abominations and impieties, they run us down (who from the fear of God guard against sinning even in thought or word) as utterly contemptible and ignorant persons, while they highly exalt themselves, and claim to be perfect, and the elect seed.

This is almost textbook easy believism of today. Flesh is sinning but no harm is done to the soul. Many big names have said things similar to that. There is an article online where they compare gnostic teachings to what the pundits are saying today and the similarities are scary!

So what....that proves nothing but that you can cut and paste, then peddle what a man had to say....same BS they accused Paul of....blah, blah, blah!!

 

[dcontroversal]

So annoying!!

Just as bad as the "get out jail free card."

Not sure which I hate more.

Those two and greasy grace....all three pet terms by salvation losers that have no faith nor trust in Jesus and his finished work on our behalf....!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen, brother. I’m prone to making mistakes for sure, but lying is not one of them. I can handle personal insults, in fact, I kind of enjoy them, but I’m a fierce defender of God’s grace and don’t take kindly to people putting stumbling blocks in front of others. Thank you for your kind words. God bless you.

That makes two of us and for sure a few here have cornered the market on stumbling blocks......