Thief on the Cross
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Well that's good to know that you will continue to ask questions? And so what about the religious leaders of Jesus' day refusing water baptism. What's more important them refusing water baptism or refusing to asknowledge Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Messiah?
Do you want to know that's really ironic? The last act Jesus did on that cross was to save the theif without him getting baptized. Then at the start of Jesus' ministry the first thing He does is get water baptized, why? He was not a sinner, He did not need to repent so why did He get baptized?
Matthew 3:15 says, "Permit it this time; for this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Do you know what that means? By submitting to John's baptism Jesus is demonstrating that He is a good and obedient Son who does His Fathers will perfectly. Also notice Jesus used the word "us" in the verse which includes John.
Also notice at Matthew 3:17, "and behold, a voice out of the heavens saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." So here His Father is giving Jesus His blessing at the start of His ministry. Now, what were the very last words of Jesus at Matthew 28:19-20? "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. (Making disciples first and then baptizing them) Vs20, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo I am with you, always, even to the end of the age."
So the point or should I say one of the points is the fact that a disciple is already saved he is then baptized to show He is a follower of Jesus Christ. Again, an outward sign of an inward grace demonstrating he is working for the Lord God.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Do you want to know that's really ironic? The last act Jesus did on that cross was to save the theif without him getting baptized. Then at the start of Jesus' ministry the first thing He does is get water baptized, why? He was not a sinner, He did not need to repent so why did He get baptized?
Matthew 3:15 says, "Permit it this time; for this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Do you know what that means? By submitting to John's baptism Jesus is demonstrating that He is a good and obedient Son who does His Fathers will perfectly. Also notice Jesus used the word "us" in the verse which includes John.
Also notice at Matthew 3:17, "and behold, a voice out of the heavens saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." So here His Father is giving Jesus His blessing at the start of His ministry. Now, what were the very last words of Jesus at Matthew 28:19-20? "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. (Making disciples first and then baptizing them) Vs20, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo I am with you, always, even to the end of the age."
So the point or should I say one of the points is the fact that a disciple is already saved he is then baptized to show He is a follower of Jesus Christ. Again, an outward sign of an inward grace demonstrating he is working for the Lord God.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
ALSO,
Your interpretation of Matthew 28 is that one becomes a disciple through teaching and then gets water baptized. When upon the teaching of the gospel one obeys and gets baptized and becomes a disciple.
According to Jesus, disciples have to be equipped before beginning their own ministry of sharing the gospel with others. This is seen in Jesus words just prior to the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. (Luke 24:45-49)
"Then opened he (Jesus) their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Jesus explained that repentance and remission of sins should be preached BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM: This took place in Acts 2 where instructions were given to repent, get water baptized EVERYONE in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
My point was that people were asking questions of me and I would continue to answer regardless of whether someone wanted me to.
I am in no means closed minded and have questions. No one knows everything and least of all me. However, when it comes to baptism I am confident in what God has shown me. He has led me on a journey for over 20 years opening my understanding where water baptism is concerned. Not denominational beliefs. But revealing it within the pages of the Word.
Whether you or anyone else chooses to believe what I share is entirely up to you. But I will not stop preaching what I know to be true.
I am in no means closed minded and have questions. No one knows everything and least of all me. However, when it comes to baptism I am confident in what God has shown me. He has led me on a journey for over 20 years opening my understanding where water baptism is concerned. Not denominational beliefs. But revealing it within the pages of the Word.
Whether you or anyone else chooses to believe what I share is entirely up to you. But I will not stop preaching what I know to be true.
That’s what was done in acts 8 and in 12 & 13 it’s was quick believe and baptized of fire.
12But when they believed Philip as he preached the gospel of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Even Simon himself believed and was baptized. He followed Philip closely and was astounded by the great signs and miracles he observed.
14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15On their arrival, they prayed for them to receive the Holy Spirit. 16For the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
12But when they believed Philip as he preached the gospel of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Even Simon himself believed and was baptized. He followed Philip closely and was astounded by the great signs and miracles he observed.
14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15On their arrival, they prayed for them to receive the Holy Spirit. 16For the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John laid their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.