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What do people think about when abraham rescued lot, and met melchisedek,
Here we have lot, who had everything taken, and was set to be a slave with nothing, rescued, and given an opportunity to go back with abraham, to go with the king of salem, , or go back with the evil king of sodom,
Yet he chose the latter,
Here we have lot, who had everything taken, and was set to be a slave with nothing, rescued, and given an opportunity to go back with abraham, to go with the king of salem, , or go back with the evil king of sodom,
Yet he chose the latter,
just read this thread, so we don't know what others have said,
but we have read and say, that -
'God delivered 'just Lot', which is saying that He was 'justified in God's eyes -
'he obeyed His Commandments, even though full of weakness, but who are we
who have not travelled this old road at some point in our own journey!?...
but we have read and say, that -
'God delivered 'just Lot', which is saying that He was 'justified in God's eyes -
'he obeyed His Commandments, even though full of weakness, but who are we
who have not travelled this old road at some point in our own journey!?...
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I actually never addressed the salvation of Lot at all in my comment, and definitely NEVER said he wasn't saved, but if I had to guess I'd say God sparing him from judgement suggest he was saved, both literally and figuratively.
Also there was some assumptions made, and deductions from past and present comments, but what all exactly did I "accuse" you of? Maybe I accused you of preaching a weak Jesus who saves and may or may not change you, but I other than that didn't see any other accusation to warrant you saying there were "a lot of accusations here". I guess I accused you of not listening to past conversations between us and I guess that's "personal" too, but still as far as those being "a lot of accusations here", I don't see it. I also would really like for you to quote my "personal attacks" too please, because nothing I wrote was meant as an "attack", nor was it personal, only commenting on words you posted publicly, please clarify my "attacks" so I can apologize for them. Simply disagreeing and sharing a differing view is NOT attacking. If they felt like "attacks" then maybe there's some truth to what I was saying. Again if not please show me where I'm wrong, attacking, outside scripture, or dishonoring our King and/or His children at all, because I'm not here for any of those reasons, and I don't see it. You commented on my comment to correct me, and I just don't see where I need correcting, plus you never even said exactly what you thought was wrong, you just can't seem to stand when people speak about possible false conversion. This is eternity we are dealing with and needs to always be talked about, no matter if it hurts feelings or not. Thanks and have a great day.
Also there was some assumptions made, and deductions from past and present comments, but what all exactly did I "accuse" you of? Maybe I accused you of preaching a weak Jesus who saves and may or may not change you, but I other than that didn't see any other accusation to warrant you saying there were "a lot of accusations here". I guess I accused you of not listening to past conversations between us and I guess that's "personal" too, but still as far as those being "a lot of accusations here", I don't see it. I also would really like for you to quote my "personal attacks" too please, because nothing I wrote was meant as an "attack", nor was it personal, only commenting on words you posted publicly, please clarify my "attacks" so I can apologize for them. Simply disagreeing and sharing a differing view is NOT attacking. If they felt like "attacks" then maybe there's some truth to what I was saying. Again if not please show me where I'm wrong, attacking, outside scripture, or dishonoring our King and/or His children at all, because I'm not here for any of those reasons, and I don't see it. You commented on my comment to correct me, and I just don't see where I need correcting, plus you never even said exactly what you thought was wrong, you just can't seem to stand when people speak about possible false conversion. This is eternity we are dealing with and needs to always be talked about, no matter if it hurts feelings or not. Thanks and have a great day.
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Lot was never a Christian.. Christians came into existence on the day of Pentecost,, many generations after the time of Lot..
As being a believer in God, Lot had some faith and it was accounted to him for rightiousness and thats why God sent the Angels to call him out of sodom to save lot from the wrath to come.. Was Lot a sinner like all other men? Yes..
As being a believer in God, Lot had some faith and it was accounted to him for rightiousness and thats why God sent the Angels to call him out of sodom to save lot from the wrath to come.. Was Lot a sinner like all other men? Yes..
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yeah I don't know
I was looking at that too
however he only fled with 2 daughters it seems...unless the 2 were engaged which might be considered married back then...to the 2 'husbands'
I'm not sure on this one
at any rate, God did not spare the city so there were not 10 righteous
but the # in the family has me guessing
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The only speculative part is really that he had 2 sons. This is based on this verse:
Genesis 19:12
The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here
The words are all plural, so we're talking about not a single son or daughter but at least 2.
I 'speculate' that the angels God sent to gather Lots family were not completely ignorant of who they were sent to seek out and save. If the angels said 'sons' it makes sense to me they know exactly whether Lot actually has sons or not, and they know how many. This, like God asking in the garden, 'where are you?' isn't a question from lack of knowledge, but a question proving the truth, like an attorney asking questions not because they don't know the answer, but in order for the record of the answer to be established in court.
This neatly explains why Abraham stopped at ten, too, and the alternative is that Abraham argued with God over a completely arbitrary number, which I see as an untenably awkward position.
Genesis 19:12
The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here
The words are all plural, so we're talking about not a single son or daughter but at least 2.
I 'speculate' that the angels God sent to gather Lots family were not completely ignorant of who they were sent to seek out and save. If the angels said 'sons' it makes sense to me they know exactly whether Lot actually has sons or not, and they know how many. This, like God asking in the garden, 'where are you?' isn't a question from lack of knowledge, but a question proving the truth, like an attorney asking questions not because they don't know the answer, but in order for the record of the answer to be established in court.
This neatly explains why Abraham stopped at ten, too, and the alternative is that Abraham argued with God over a completely arbitrary number, which I see as an untenably awkward position.
The Bible doesn't say she 'longingly looked back'
The word actually means she 'lagged behind' and that's pretty much the same as hesitating. If she indeed had more children that Lot didn't go speak to, or who were in any case left behind, then what we have is possibly a mother's anguish over the certain death of her children, and struggling in despair over dying with them vs. living without them.
She was turned to salt - which is a preservative, and is no where in scripture a symbol of evil. She did not perish in the city.
The word actually means she 'lagged behind' and that's pretty much the same as hesitating. If she indeed had more children that Lot didn't go speak to, or who were in any case left behind, then what we have is possibly a mother's anguish over the certain death of her children, and struggling in despair over dying with them vs. living without them.
She was turned to salt - which is a preservative, and is no where in scripture a symbol of evil. She did not perish in the city.
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What if they had more children, and this is why Lot hesitated, and also why his wife lingered?
I realize that 99.95% of all sermons on the topic say she, seeing the city being destroyed by fire from heaven, was such a complete idiot that she turned around to go get her favorite baubles, knowing that she would certainly die in the process. I think that's a pretty unlikely scenario tho, even though by assuming these are intelligent people it puts me in a very tiny minority.
I realize that 99.95% of all sermons on the topic say she, seeing the city being destroyed by fire from heaven, was such a complete idiot that she turned around to go get her favorite baubles, knowing that she would certainly die in the process. I think that's a pretty unlikely scenario tho, even though by assuming these are intelligent people it puts me in a very tiny minority.