Not By Works

[Macabeus]

I have been good at ignoring, but with something is blatantly not true, it seemed only right.
Yes back to ignore.... I do not like being tangled up in "he said ... he said"

Where is good works in this post? Why did DC say exactly when GB9 said it taught good works

DC replies without reading what he replied to.

OF COURSE IF SOMEONE COMES TO CHRIST in faith THEY ARE REGENERATED then and there. What? do you have to go on a thirty day probation period before Christ will raise you to spiritual life???!!!!Hey, I think I need to check you out first before I raise you to spiritual life.

And I never said change in behaviour. I said change in NATURE. I am not teaching reformation, I am teaching regeneration.

Keep swingin' buddy. Your axe is very dull though

 

[gb9]

just wanted to post it for all to see, I will be responding to no one, just wanted to lay down some facts

in 1988, john macarthur defined lordship salvation as " salvation is defined by what it produces, and what it will not fail to produce"
so, it seems as if lordship salvation says that a saved person will be doing good works, and sinning less, which I 100% agree with.

what I do not agree with is when it said that salvation will produce INSTANT good works, or instant change of behavior.
change, yes instant. sometimes, yes, sometimes not outwardly eveident.

if you look at the definition of the greek word believe, it states it as a mental activity. so, one believes onto salvation, then the process of sanctification begins, and looks different for everyone. lordship salvation, if you study it's teachings, say otherwise.

so, all can research this, see what the Bible says, and come to a conclusion.
that's all I have to say.

 

[Macabeus]

just wanted to post it for all to see, I will be responding to no one, just wanted to lay down some facts

in 1988, john macarthur defined lordship salvation as " salvation is defined by what it produces, and what it will not fail to produce"
so, it seems as if lordship salvation says that a saved person will be doing good works, and sinning less, which I 100% agree with.

what I do not agree with is when it said that salvation will produce INSTANT good works, or instant change of behavior.
change, yes instant. sometimes, yes, sometimes not outwardly eveident.

if you look at the definition of the greek word believe, it states it as a mental activity. so, one believes onto salvation, then the process of sanctification begins, and looks different for everyone. lordship salvation, if you study it's teachings, say otherwise.

so, all can research this, see what the Bible says, and come to a conclusion.
that's all I have to say.

Where is works salvation in the post below, GB?

And DC said exactly.

"Macabeus, post: 4029109, member: 279100"]OF COURSE IF SOMEONE COMES TO CHRIST in faith THEY ARE REGENERATED then and there. What? do you have to go on a thirty day probation period before Christ will raise you to spiritual life???!!!!Hey, I think I need to check you out first before I raise you to spiritual life.

And I never said change in behaviour. I said change in NATURE. I am not teaching reformation, I am teaching regeneration.

Keep swingin' buddy. Your axe is very dull though

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[Macabeus]

just wanted to post it for all to see, I will be responding to no one, just wanted to lay down some facts

in 1988, john macarthur defined lordship salvation as " salvation is defined by what it produces, and what it will not fail to produce"
so, it seems as if lordship salvation says that a saved person will be doing good works, and sinning less, which I 100% agree with.

what I do not agree with is when it said that salvation will produce INSTANT good works, or instant change of behavior.
change, yes instant. sometimes, yes, sometimes not outwardly eveident.

if you look at the definition of the greek word believe, it states it as a mental activity. so, one believes onto salvation, then the process of sanctification begins, and looks different for everyone. lordship salvation, if you study it's teachings, say otherwise.

so, all can research this, see what the Bible says, and come to a conclusion.
that's all I have to say.

Where did I use the word instant? Link or post number, ANYONE?

😂

 

[eternally-gratefull]

just wanted to post it for all to see, I will be responding to no one, just wanted to lay down some facts

in 1988, john macarthur defined lordship salvation as " salvation is defined by what it produces, and what it will not fail to produce"
so, it seems as if lordship salvation says that a saved person will be doing good works, and sinning less, which I 100% agree with.

what I do not agree with is when it said that salvation will produce INSTANT good works, or instant change of behavior.
change, yes instant. sometimes, yes, sometimes not outwardly eveident.

if you look at the definition of the greek word believe, it states it as a mental activity. so, one believes onto salvation, then the process of sanctification begins, and looks different for everyone. lordship salvation, if you study it's teachings, say otherwise.

so, all can research this, see what the Bible says, and come to a conclusion.
that's all I have to say.

Paul call d the corinthian church babes, still needing milk, they did not produce instant good works

 

[Macabeus]

Paul call d the corinthian church babes, still needing milk, they did not produce instant good works

Where did I say instant? Post number or link? 😂

 

[dcontroversal]

Paul call d the corinthian church babes, still needing milk, they did not produce instant good works

He also called them CARNAL and not SPIRITUAL.....THEY had some 15 to 17 recorded sins, errors......yet still identifed as brothers/sisters and a Church.......

 

[gb9]

Regeneration is in the Bible and it is instant. Titus 3: 5.

Your soteriology is incomplete, btw. Salvation ALSO includes regeneration and preservation among other things you failed to list

instant.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He also called them CARNAL and not SPIRITUAL.....THEY had some 15 to 17 recorded sins, errors......yet still identifed as brothers/sisters and a Church.......

Its funny how non of these people came to discuss Lots carnal living.

I think it shows alot,

 

[Macabeus]

instant.

Instant in regards to regeneration, not works. You are more confused than a goose.

How long does it take for God to regenerate a believer?

 

[dcontroversal]

Its funny how non of these people came to discuss Lots carnal living.

I think it shows alot,

Amen.......you know.....two tomato plants I planted grew for months with no fruit....and then it started producing and has produced an abundance.....no insta fruit on those plants......

 

[Lightskin]

GB9 said that teaching regeneration is teaching a works salvation and dcontroversal, eternally-grateful, and lightskin agreed.

I did? 🤷‍♂️

 

[Macabeus]

Its funny how non of these people came to discuss Lots carnal living.

I think it shows alot,

The problem is GB9 thinks it is works salvation to believe in instant regeneration.

 

[Macabeus]

Amen.......you know.....two tomato plants I planted grew for months with no fruit....and then it started producing and has produced an abundance.....no insta fruit on those plants......

The thing GB9 is arguing against is instant regeneration for a believer. So you guys dont believe that a person is regenerated the moment they believe?

😦

 

[Macabeus]

notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.

I did? 🤷‍♂️

Yes you did. Go to the post. You liked it. Now go read the post where he said I taught works salvation, and tell me where you see works salvation please

 

[Macabeus]

OF COURSE IF SOMEONE COMES TO CHRIST in faith THEY ARE REGENERATED then and there. What? do you have to go on a thirty day probation period before Christ will raise you to spiritual life???!!!!Hey, I think I need to check you out first before I raise you to spiritual life.

And I never said change in behaviour. I said change in NATURE. I am not teaching reformation, I am teaching regeneration.

Keep swingin' buddy. Your axe is very dull though

@Lightskin

This is the post that GB9 quotes as me Teaching works salvation, and you liked the post where he said as much, so did DC and EG

Where I you see works salvation

 

[Macabeus]

notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.

@dcontroversal

@UnderGrace

@Lightskin

@eternally-gratefull

Look at the post GB9 is replying to, and tell me where I taught works salvation

That is why I accused DC of believing regeneration is a work we do. Because GB said this post is teacing a works salvation, when it is in fact teaching regeneration, and DC said “exactly” to the premise that what I stated was an admission to works salvation

GB9 denies that regeneration is instant for one who believes. You guys are REALLY confused

 

[KJV1611]

KJV1611 asked if regeneration means being saved again

Why would I ask you that? Regeneration has nothing to do with salvation.

 

[Macabeus]

@KJV1611

Regenerate? What does that mean get saved again. Never mind, I was trying to show you something and your not getting it. Just keep studying the word but you have to believe every word as it is written. Peace my brother.

And yes, it has a lot to do with salvation

 

[Macabeus]

@Lightskin. Yes you did like a post that claimed the doctrine of regeneration is works based salvation. tell me who “liked” the following post, and then click on the link that GB9 calls works salvation, and tell me what I’m talking about.

😂

Cue the crickets

notice people, right here, is a clear admission of salvation proved by good works.

salvation by grace, through faith, for good works.

not proved. not instant. FOR . a open word. proved by. instant. closed words.

so, I am moving on. this is all I need to see. just salvation by works , nothing new, same old man-made teaching trash.