Is Salvation by Jesus alone the only way to heaven?
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This guy again, you always peddle some unbiblical nonsense. Dont you ever get tired of sowing doubt and lies?
Muslims are not through Jesus because in their daily prayers they CONFESS that Jesus is NOT the son of God.... And if you dont confess that, you are in the spirit of antichrist and by definition, NOT SAVED. Sadly you dont have the slightest clue of the Bible and are ignorant of this fact, you are making it up as you go along. HAVE YOU NOT READ?
Second UNBELIEVABLE quesiton to read on a CHRISTIAN FORUM: "what are they being punished for?" They are punished for, THEIR SINS, just like everyone else NOT covered by the blood of Christ. MAMMA MIA the ignorance
Why are you on a Christian forum when you dont even hold to basic tenets of Christianity? If I remember correctly you also dont believe in biblical inerrancy or the deity of Jesus. Is that right? If its right and Christian, BEST BELIEVE you are ready to be against it..... We have seen this CONSISTENTLY in your posts. One needs to only look at your post history to see sowing discord for people believing in what PAUL SAID as if Paul is an enemy of Jesus and contradicting Him, supporting socialism.... the list is longer than the breadlines in Soviet union!
Can someone get a hold of this please?
Muslims are not through Jesus because in their daily prayers they CONFESS that Jesus is NOT the son of God.... And if you dont confess that, you are in the spirit of antichrist and by definition, NOT SAVED. Sadly you dont have the slightest clue of the Bible and are ignorant of this fact, you are making it up as you go along. HAVE YOU NOT READ?
Second UNBELIEVABLE quesiton to read on a CHRISTIAN FORUM: "what are they being punished for?" They are punished for, THEIR SINS, just like everyone else NOT covered by the blood of Christ. MAMMA MIA the ignorance
Why are you on a Christian forum when you dont even hold to basic tenets of Christianity? If I remember correctly you also dont believe in biblical inerrancy or the deity of Jesus. Is that right? If its right and Christian, BEST BELIEVE you are ready to be against it..... We have seen this CONSISTENTLY in your posts. One needs to only look at your post history to see sowing discord for people believing in what PAUL SAID as if Paul is an enemy of Jesus and contradicting Him, supporting socialism.... the list is longer than the breadlines in Soviet union!
Can someone get a hold of this please?
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im not "peddling" anything, i just asked a few question.
im not an expert on Islam but im pretty sure they do not have a daily proclamation "Jesus is NOT the son of the Most High" who told you this? and where in scripture does it define "through Jesus" to mean proclaiming He is the Son of the Most High?
and of course they get punished for sins, just as everyone on planet earth gets punished for sins, the OP suggest their punishment is different because they are Muslim, why is their judgment different?
and whats with all the personal attacks? why do these questions hit a nerve with you so bad? if someone is gonna tell me that everyone outside of my little group is punished in hell forever and ever, simply for being born outside my little group, i would want to know why. not sure why that is such a heresy to ask.
im not an expert on Islam but im pretty sure they do not have a daily proclamation "Jesus is NOT the son of the Most High" who told you this? and where in scripture does it define "through Jesus" to mean proclaiming He is the Son of the Most High?
and of course they get punished for sins, just as everyone on planet earth gets punished for sins, the OP suggest their punishment is different because they are Muslim, why is their judgment different?
and whats with all the personal attacks? why do these questions hit a nerve with you so bad? if someone is gonna tell me that everyone outside of my little group is punished in hell forever and ever, simply for being born outside my little group, i would want to know why. not sure why that is such a heresy to ask.
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Because of your past posts. BUT anyhow, I see you have NOT studied Islam, just like you havent studied Christianity, OY VEY! Double trouble.
This is wikipedia level knowledge here!
And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son." You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation that they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.
— Qur'an, sura 19 (Maryam (sura)), ayat 88-93
Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him].
— Qur'an, sura 23 (Al-Mumenoon), ayat 91
AND MANY MORE. This is the surah they usually pray RIGHT AFTER Al-Fatiha which is the MANDATORY in the beginning of each salat(prayer)
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
— Qur'an, sura 112 (Al-Ikhlas), ayat 1-4
Im sorry to post this on here, I WILL NOT do it again, just doing it this once to show my point that they are specifically antichrist in their theology and are ON THEIR WAY TO HELL, lest they repent and believe the Gospel. PERIOD end of STORY.
As I have done two times recently, I've learned to let things go, ive said what ive said, take it or leave it. Im done with you friend.
This is wikipedia level knowledge here!
And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son." You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation that they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant.
— Qur'an, sura 19 (Maryam (sura)), ayat 88-93
Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him].
— Qur'an, sura 23 (Al-Mumenoon), ayat 91
AND MANY MORE. This is the surah they usually pray RIGHT AFTER Al-Fatiha which is the MANDATORY in the beginning of each salat(prayer)
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
— Qur'an, sura 112 (Al-Ikhlas), ayat 1-4
Im sorry to post this on here, I WILL NOT do it again, just doing it this once to show my point that they are specifically antichrist in their theology and are ON THEIR WAY TO HELL, lest they repent and believe the Gospel. PERIOD end of STORY.
As I have done two times recently, I've learned to let things go, ive said what ive said, take it or leave it. Im done with you friend.
J
im not seeing anywhere in there where it says Jesus is not the son of the Most High so im still not gettin what your talking about. im guessing you have no passages that say this specifically against Jesus.
the truth of it is that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet of the Most High, which is exactly what the majority of the crowds believed of Jesus back when Jesus was here, the bible refers to these people as believers, what the bible does not say is that these believers are going to hell for believing Jesus was a prophet.
the truth of it is that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet of the Most High, which is exactly what the majority of the crowds believed of Jesus back when Jesus was here, the bible refers to these people as believers, what the bible does not say is that these believers are going to hell for believing Jesus was a prophet.
Jesus is THE Prophet, the King, the Savior! Thank God for Jesus!
John 14:6-7, " 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
John 10:1-9, " 1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. 7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
John 14:6-7, " 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
John 10:1-9, " 1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. 7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
Knowing and confessing are the product of already being born again. Eph 2 tells us about how God transformed us from a natural man to a spiritual man. We were spiritually dead (unable to discern spiritual things 1 Cor 2:14) and had no choice in being born again, in the same manner of our natural birth, which we had no choice in either.
Again, Jesus did not die for only a few people:
Col 1:
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.
Col 1:
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence. 19For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.
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Jesus told his Apostles to go and preach the gospel to the LOST SHEEP (Gods born again children) of the house of Israel Matt 10:6. After all, Jesus said "But ye believe not because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish". john 10:26,27,28. Most of God's sheep (borne again) are lost in the fact that they have a lack of knowledge of the gospel and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their works, which fits most on this forum reference Romans 10:1,2,3. and Matt 7:13,14.
John 6:
38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.
39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.
Yes, this statement is true but it doesn't mean Jesus died for a few people.
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.
39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.
Yes, this statement is true but it doesn't mean Jesus died for a few people.
1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
When you say "GET" saved. The word "get" requires an action. Eph 2 tells us how we "ARE" saved eternally Nowhere in the scriptures does it tell how to "GET" saved eternally. If you cannot see the new birth in Eph 2, then God must have blinded your eyes and ears to understand. A child is born again just the same as an adult is and it does not require knowing and repenting, and confessing. think where you are getting confused you are misunderstanding, in that, you think knowing and confessing comes before you are born again, when actually knowing and confessing comes after the new birth. Another thing that may be hindering your understanding is that you are applying all scriptures that use the word "saved" as meaning eternally saved, when actually most of them are referring to a deliverance that we receive as we sojourn here in this world. Strong's Greek interpretation of the word "saved" means "a deliverance". We are delivered eternally and we are delivered many times as we sojourn here in this world. After we have been born again and commit a sin, we do not lose our eternal deliverance, but we do lose our fellowship with God until we repent and when he forgives us of that particular sin, then we are delivered from the results of that sin. Rightly divide the salvation scriptures.
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Aha, now i'm beginning to understand what you are saying, but i have a question:
Q1. If all children are saved eternally when still young, how comes not everyone is saved in the end? we see some being tossed into the lake of fire - can we then say they lost their salvation somewhere as they sojourned this world?
Q2. The idea that a child is born again just the same as an adult doesn't make any sense at all. If born again here means eternally saved, and every child is born again, why would they be saved again as adults so that your statement may hold? In any case, it means lose of salvation if a child was born again and then having to be born again as an adult.
Q1. If all children are saved eternally when still young, how comes not everyone is saved in the end? we see some being tossed into the lake of fire - can we then say they lost their salvation somewhere as they sojourned this world?
Q2. The idea that a child is born again just the same as an adult doesn't make any sense at all. If born again here means eternally saved, and every child is born again, why would they be saved again as adults so that your statement may hold? In any case, it means lose of salvation if a child was born again and then having to be born again as an adult.
If you are contending that Jesus died for all mankind, and he said that he would not lose even one of those he died for but would raise them all up at the last day, then that would make all mankind to be saved eternally. Is that what you believe, that all mankind will live eternally in heaven? I believe that he died for as many as their are grains of sand in the seashore and the stars that are in heaven and Jesus says that number cannot counted, so I agree with you that there will be more than a few in heaven, but not all of mankind. John 2:2 the word "world" in this scripture is interpreted in the original Greek as "the world of believers", his elect. All scriptures must harmonize.
Your question 1, I did not say that all children are saved in their youth. I said that Psalms 73 says that the wicked youth do not die in their youth, but grow to be old. I understand that the doctrine that I teach is hard to follow, especially if all your life you have been taught that there is something you have to do to receive eternal life, but the fact is eternal salvation is by God's grace, without the help of man Eph 2. Your question 2, You are born again only once, whether it is as a youth or as an adult.
I believe you have put the cart before the horse there.
If God's sheep were born again, they would not then also be lost.
Also, I believe you are forgetting the passage wherein Jesus said he has other sheep that are not of this fold. That would mean the Gentiles.
We were lost before Jesus was born. Jesus was born so as to save the lost sheep.
Furthermore, the Saint Apostle Paul says, there is no division in the body of Christ and His sheep as we read when he told us through the inspiration of our Lord Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The Saint Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Church of the Galatians chapter 3 and verses 28 to 29
If God's sheep were born again, they would not then also be lost.
Also, I believe you are forgetting the passage wherein Jesus said he has other sheep that are not of this fold. That would mean the Gentiles.
We were lost before Jesus was born. Jesus was born so as to save the lost sheep.
Furthermore, the Saint Apostle Paul says, there is no division in the body of Christ and His sheep as we read when he told us through the inspiration of our Lord Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The Saint Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Church of the Galatians chapter 3 and verses 28 to 29
Believing and confessing are the products of already being born again. The natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, cannot believe and confess to something that is spiritual, because he cannot discern spiritual things until he has been born again of the Holy Spirit. You can persuade more people with kind words instead of the degrading words you are using.