Why do theologians say the USA isn't mentioned in prophecy? See Rev 12

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Angela53510

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My day of fighting with people on this website is over. That`s why I`m not going to post it. I`m informing that the passages exist because I find the mockery on this thread foolish, ignorant and blind. Mostly blind.

In truth, in your first post, the OP, you should have posted the Scriptures. Instead we have wasted 4-5 pages telling us you know the truth, but you are too temperamental to post them.

Worst case of passive aggressiveness that I have ever seen!

I know the Bible well enough to know you have nothing to stand on. Please do not post, because it will be a waste of time. Anyone who is convinced that America is the greatest nation on earth, and so MUST be in the Bible, has no knowledge of hermeneutics and how to interpret the Bible.

Makes me wonder how the British empire, which was so big, the sun never set on it, never got mentioned in the Bible. Try not to be so ethnic-centric, which is different than having pride in your country.
 
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#83
what question?

question about what passage?

you keep saying you see the USA in scripture? where?
I would ask . What would be the purpose of even looking? The Bible is not concerned with the political nations as if the kingdom of God was of this world .All future prophecy has been fulfilled that did pertain to the temporal land. He will come as a thief in the night. . . Global warning.
 

RickStudies

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In truth, in your first post, the OP, you should have posted the Scriptures. Instead we have wasted 4-5 pages telling us you know the truth, but you are too temperamental to post them.

Worst case of passive aggressiveness that I have ever seen!

I know the Bible well enough to know you have nothing to stand on. Please do not post, because it will be a waste of time. Anyone who is convinced that America is the greatest nation on earth, and so MUST be in the Bible, has no knowledge of hermeneutics and how to interpret the Bible.

Makes me wonder how the British empire, which was so big, the sun never set on it, never got mentioned in the Bible. Try not to be so ethnic-centric, which is different than having pride in your country.
Your mind is made up in advance and you think it`s ok to be rude to people you disagree with so why would I post it?
 

RickStudies

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I would ask . What would be the purpose of even looking? The Bible is not concerned with the political nations as if the kingdom of God was of this world .All future prophecy has been fulfilled that did pertain to the temporal land. He will come as a thief in the night. . . Global warning.
What do you mean by temporal land ?
 
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has it? when was Ezekiel 38?
Did you mean when was it written ? If you are referring to the phrase "my people Israel". Which Israel? The Israel that the father renamed Christian or unconverted Israel as a outward Jew pertaining to the flesh?
 

Angela53510

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Your mind is made up in advance and you think it`s ok to be rude to people you disagree with so why would I post it?

Who's arguing? You came here with an hypothesis, and you refuse to share the verses that led to your conclusions. There is no discussion until we look at the Scriptures.

Not only that, but your topic is prophesy in Rev. Probably one of the most divisive topics there is. But, we can't discuss it, because you will not support your hypothesis from Scripture.

Which leads me to believe, you have nothing!
 

RickStudies

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Who's arguing? You came here with an hypothesis, and you refuse to share the verses that led to your conclusions. There is no discussion until we look at the Scriptures.

Not only that, but your topic is prophesy in Rev. Probably one of the most divisive topics there is. But, we can't discuss it, because you will not support your hypothesis from Scripture.

Which leads me to believe, you have nothing!
I believe it`s important to press for mercy. In that spirit I did break down and reveal a large portion of it. It`s enough to light up the path for a willing heart to follow God into truth. However, I`m still not going to discuss the subject with scoffers who place no value on being polite.
 

posthuman

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@RickStudies here?


1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
that's true all over the world, not specific to USA.
 

posthuman

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No, I never suggested it was. No more help or hints :)
drought.

to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
(James 4:17)

Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due,
when it is in the power of your hand to do so.

(Proverbs 3:27)
 

posthuman

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Did you mean when was it written ? If you are referring to the phrase "my people Israel". Which Israel? The Israel that the father renamed Christian or unconverted Israel as a outward Jew pertaining to the flesh?
i mean, when was Ezekiel 38 fulfilled?
 

RickStudies

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drought.

to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
(James 4:17)
Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due,
when it is in the power of your hand to do so.
(Proverbs 3:27)
It`s not a sin to withold information. Nice try though. Knowing what God said about the US isn`t important to your salvation. Although it can also be said that many people are really going to have their faith shaken when they find out that " judgement begins at the House of God first," The faith of those expecting an easy out after a living a lukewarm lifestyle might get destroyed.
 

posthuman

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what is it in your imagination i'm "trying" ?
you've said that to me several times, like you have some kind of delusion where i'm playing a game of some sort.

what game is going on in your head?
 

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Arriving in Israel in A.D. 67, Vespasian and Titus were given command of the Roman assault on Israel. In this verse, Satan is seen pursuing the Jewish saints through the Generals Vespasian and Titus, much like Pharaoh pursued the Jewish slaves after they departed from Egypt in Exodus. The saints, however, are safe in Pella.

Concerning the Flavian desire to destroy the Christian saints represented by the woman, Sulpicius Severus says the following in Chronica 2:30.7:

But others, on the contrary, disagreed–including Titus himself. They argued that the destruction of the Temple was a number one priority in order to destroy completely the religion of the Jews and the Christians: For although these religions are conflicting, they nevertheless developed from the same origins. The Christians arose from the Jews: With the root removed, the branch is easily killed.​
In the quote above, one can clearly see Titus’ intention to put an end to Christianity in fulfillment of v.13. The following verses accurately predict his lack of success:

14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

Like the Jews in Exodus 19:4, the Jewish Christians in v. 14 are carried on eagles’ wings to the desert away from danger. “[T]aken care of for a time, times and half a time,” these Jewish Christians were kept safe while Israel was afflicted with the plagues of Exodus.

“[A] time, times and half a time” is a cryptic reference to a period of three and a half years. This three and a half year timeframe is mentioned several times throughout the Book of Revelation. It is the “1260 days” in v. 6 and Rev 11:3. It is also the “42 months” of Rev 11:2. In all these cases, this is the interval between the arrival of the Roman army under Cestius at Jerusalem during the Feast of Tabernacles in A.D. 66 to the siege of Jerusalem in Passover of A.D. 70—exactly three and a half years later. It might also be noted that this three and a half year period may also correspond with the arrival of Titus and Vespasian in the early spring of A.D. 67 to the fall of Jerusalem in September of A.D. 70, three and a half years later.