Is Salvation by Jesus alone the only way to heaven?
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Oh, I see this went Calvinist....Was going to post on the subject, but it's already been a long day...
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The Cherokee's are interesting to me. They had some similar beliefs to scripture. They were not pagan.
They believed in one God with three distinct beings. And called that God Yo Ho Waah. Some people even think Jesus came a preached to the Cherokee due to the similarities. Yet, I can find no proof of that ever happening.
While I'm white as white can be, my great grandfather was full blooded Cherokee. I wonder could the Cherokee have been worshiping God...I'm not sure, I hope they were? I know God only judges a man according to what he understands so is it possible they may have been serving God to the best of their understanding? Like I said, I don't know, but here is an interesting article on it. It's a little lengthy read, but interesting.
http://nativenorthamericancherokeenationofsequoyah.com/ancientbeliefs.html
They believed in one God with three distinct beings. And called that God Yo Ho Waah. Some people even think Jesus came a preached to the Cherokee due to the similarities. Yet, I can find no proof of that ever happening.
While I'm white as white can be, my great grandfather was full blooded Cherokee. I wonder could the Cherokee have been worshiping God...I'm not sure, I hope they were? I know God only judges a man according to what he understands so is it possible they may have been serving God to the best of their understanding? Like I said, I don't know, but here is an interesting article on it. It's a little lengthy read, but interesting.
http://nativenorthamericancherokeenationofsequoyah.com/ancientbeliefs.html
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I thought I had explained John 3:16, sorry. God so loved the world. Let us stop right there and discuss what world is it that God is talking about. Another scripture, that I am not going to take time to look up right now, where God says "love not the world, neither the things that are in the world" Surly he is not telling us to not love a world that he says he SO loves. Thayer's Greek interpretation of the word "world" in this scripture is "pertaining to believers only" also the same meaning in John 1:29, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9 and 2 Cor 5:19. God so loved the world of believers that he gave his Son........ All scripture must harmonize if you are to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.
Oops, sorry then. It just sounded a little like it to me
It is actually the teachings of St. Augustine and St. Ambrose that said unbaptized infants were damned to Hell. They were of the Catholic practice and as we know that sect teaches infant baptism due to that errant belief.
Imagine a God that gives life in the womb and then sends them to Hell after miscarriage because they were not baptized.
I think it helps if we recall Jesus said, we must become like unto little children in order to see the Kingdom of Heaven.
If we, when He was speaking to a gathered crowd of mostly adults, must become like unto little children in order to see Heaven, how then would He open Hell to receive the souls of unborn babies, newborn babies, and children? [The Book of Matthew chapter 18 and verse 3]
When the unborn, infants, and babies are not sinners, nor do they bear the sin of Adam because the Old Testament tells us that the sons and daughters do not inherit the sins of their father. But we are all each one responsible for our own sins. The Book of Deuteronomy chapter 24
While our own capacity to sin arrives when we are cognizant of the difference between obedience and disobedience, good and evil.
These are mental and emotional qualities a newborn , the unborn, and an infant, do not possess. Therefore, as innocents, they are sinless and should they pass away , enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Because if we are to become like them to do that, they who are that must be there already and in future.
The Book of Matthew chapter 19 verse 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”
The Book of 1st John chapter 2 verse 2 "He (Jesus) is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. "
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John 3:6, That which is born of the flesh (our natural birth) is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Verse 7, Marvel not that I said unto the , ye must be born again. Rom 5:12, Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Eph 2:1, For you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and in sins. There is more evidence in other scriptures, if you would like me to give you more. Yes babies lie to their parents. They learn to cry to get you to hold them and the minute you pick them up they will quit crying, and other evidence of sin.
No, if you would, I prefer that you refrain from moving yourself from John 3:16 so as to communicate discord in that passage itself by comparison of what you believe are other verses that dismiss the import of Jesus birth and subsequent sacrifice, and for whom.
16. οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
Correlating Verses:
Phrase: __________________ Verses:
God ________ Luk 2:14; Rom 5:8; 2Co 5:19-21; Tit 3:4; 1Jo 4:9,10,19
gave__________ Jhn 1:14,18; Gen 22:12; Mar 12:6; Rom 5:10; Rom 8:32
that whosoever________ Jhn 3:15; Mat 9:13; 1Ti 1:15,16
16. οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον
Correlating Verses:
Phrase: __________________ Verses:
God ________ Luk 2:14; Rom 5:8; 2Co 5:19-21; Tit 3:4; 1Jo 4:9,10,19
gave__________ Jhn 1:14,18; Gen 22:12; Mar 12:6; Rom 5:10; Rom 8:32
that whosoever________ Jhn 3:15; Mat 9:13; 1Ti 1:15,16
I believe there is an age of accountability. God don't hold babies and children accountable until they reach the age into which they understand, and that may be a different age for each person depending upon their understanding.
Deuteronomy 1:39
“Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.”
King James Version (KJV)
Deuteronomy 1:39
“Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.”
King James Version (KJV)
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Muslims go to hell for rejecting Jesus as Messiah, just the same as any one rejecting Jesus as Messiah. Jesus is the way, truth and life no one comes to the Father but thru Him. The Father and I are One. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. God is love. The Son Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. In our relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: who being the very nature of God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to His own advantage rather, He made Himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. ... for, Who knows the mind of God so as to instruct him, but we have the mind of Christ. I will be a Father to you and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
God, the Father, of the Bible is not the god of Islam and God/ Messiah/ Jesus (which are one in the same) is not the Jesus of the Quran. Muslims worship a false god and YES, unless they are borne again they will go to hell!!!
God, the Father, of the Bible is not the god of Islam and God/ Messiah/ Jesus (which are one in the same) is not the Jesus of the Quran. Muslims worship a false god and YES, unless they are borne again they will go to hell!!!
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Let us then proceed on that affirmation.
You said, in that post to which I commented as you show in your quote above, "Most of God's elect do not believe the whole truth (especially of those who believe) and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their works ..."
How then would a people who do not believe the whole truth and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their works, when works do not save, able to say they are an all knowing God's elect when they don't believe the whole truth of God's words that tell them God said, whosoever believes in Jesus shall not perish but have everlasting life?
And the Book of 1st Timothy chapter 4 verse 10 says also, Jesus was the savior of the whole world, all men, especially those who believe.
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
You said, in that post to which I commented as you show in your quote above, "Most of God's elect do not believe the whole truth (especially of those who believe) and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their works ..."
How then would a people who do not believe the whole truth and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their works, when works do not save, able to say they are an all knowing God's elect when they don't believe the whole truth of God's words that tell them God said, whosoever believes in Jesus shall not perish but have everlasting life?
And the Book of 1st Timothy chapter 4 verse 10 says also, Jesus was the savior of the whole world, all men, especially those who believe.
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Matt 18:3“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
This statement alone is against what you teach here.
The bible doesn't teach and will never teach that wicked children will grow to be old. There's no such thing as wicked children.
This statement alone is against what you teach here.
The bible doesn't teach and will never teach that wicked children will grow to be old. There's no such thing as wicked children.
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What about Jesus' words in The Book of Matthew chapter 18?
18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
What denomination or doctrine of man would instruct that babies are doomed by God? Of those I would wish no part at all.
The Book of 1st John chapter 4 verse 1 carissimi nolite omni spiritui credere sed probate spiritus si ex Deo sint quoniam multi pseudoprophetae exierunt in mundum
18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
What denomination or doctrine of man would instruct that babies are doomed by God? Of those I would wish no part at all.
The Book of 1st John chapter 4 verse 1 carissimi nolite omni spiritui credere sed probate spiritus si ex Deo sint quoniam multi pseudoprophetae exierunt in mundum
Also this:
Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
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